The Arizer Air

[vapen00b]

Thanks man.
It's odd...both my stems have wiggled since I first got the vape I believe. But i can hold the air by the stems confidently without them slipping out.

Some stems seem to have a slightly different diameter. My stock ones all fit tight and snug - but my VapeFiend micro bubbler does wiggle a bit. The 14mm GonG OTOH only fits when having the unit warmed up before, very tight.

 

[Bravesst]

How far out can you pull your stem (to vape) before it becomes problematic at producing vapor? I normally stuff it in as far as I can (with the glass stem it'll make me pucker), then pull it out just a tad with a twist, but fear sometimes I don't pull it out far enough or sometimes too far for optimal vapor production. Normally with the plastic tipped stem I can just push it in and it's normally good to go, might pull it out a wee bit

Does anyone else's stems wiggle in their air? It's tight as can be, but once it's in, I can kinda tap it side to side. Anyone?

Pulling it away a mm or 2 sometimes will decrease resistance. More than that, you're just robbing the stem of the heat it needs. This is not an eNano, with super power to burn, so the idea is to have it touch by design (conduction). I like to rotate, while fully inserted, this seems to keep the bowl even vaped, but not sure even that is necessary. If you read my Dry / Shred / Dry / Shred (DSDS) process, you'll want that nicely prepped herb, right up against the heat.

AIR GUIDE
http://kbgym.com/air.pdf

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IN THE VIDEO ABOVE, PLASTIC TIP STOCK STEM FULLY INSERTED

 

[CloudScion]

@Bravesst Wow man ! nothing more to say than: Big thanks for this!
Made my day!

 

[vapen00b]

@Bravesst Liking your modesty, I think you could proudly add "by Bravesst" to the headline. You expended quite some effort, thanks for all that! Great to have your knowledge shared to everyone, helping to have great and diversified sessions!

 

[lookhigh]

Some stems seem to have a slightly different diameter. My stock ones all fit tight and snug - but my VapeFiend micro bubbler does wiggle a bit. The 14mm GonG OTOH only fits when having the unit warmed up before, very tight.

When the wiggle its usually the bowl that's flared a little. Most off the stem vary some.

 

[steiner666]

Really nice, i have the right one (nice skullhead btw. ).
A few hits more and you can collect your residue.
...
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Thanks, Skully has been a essential part of my vape workstation area for years now lol

And yeah that gong got a good amount of buildup over the couple days we used it, until my PV gong got here, now it's all that I use.

My stem I use for traveling, however, is definitely due for a good soak.

In the past, I have got ISO reclaim from stems, and QWISO ABV and evapped them together for a potent, albiet not great tasting goo. Was a great way to survive dry spells or knock some unsuspecting ppl on their asses lol

Thankfully dry spells are pretty rare these days, so I think I'm going to just soak stems in a container of ISO somewhat frequently, and evap it when it gets pretty cloudy. And just amass ABV for edibles of some sort.

 

[Bravesst]

My imitation of a fire breathing cannabis dragon

 

[vapen00b]

My imitation of a fire breathing cannabis dragon

I thought they cough fireballs...
Either way, you' re just the right person to interfere before that thing would burn down your house.

 

[Cuthbert Sinclair]

Idk if ppl r doing this so jus putting it out there

so I used the all glass mouth piece all through this week and I was gonna clean it on the weekend. so last night I realised a lot of fine herb particles had built up but with there was an yellow orangish tinge to it. so what I did was using my lighter i heated the mouth piece a bit till u could see it was running down the sides
now I know this website all all about vaping n things idk of its cool to talk about smoking here
but I took a cig and put it into the mouth piece and all that got absorbed into the cig.
woow that cig when smoked felt like smoking 2 joints

 

[vapen00b]

Idk if ppl r doing this so jus putting it out there

so I used the all glass mouth piece all through this week and I was gonna clean it on the weekend. so last night I realised a lot of fine herb particles had built up but with there was an yellow orangish tinge to it. so what I did was using my lighter i heated the mouth piece a bit till u could see it was running down the sides
now I know this website all all about vaping n things idk of its cool to talk about smoking here
but I took a cig and put it into the mouth piece and all that got absorbed into the cig.
woow that cig when smoked felt like smoking 2 joints

Next time you could try just taking a draw from the mouthpiece when that resin is still liquid (Beware it's pretty strong - as you have experienced). Better taste and no need to blaze!! Fuck combustion. Period.

 

[MinnBobber]

I took a cig and put it into the mouth piece and all that got absorbed into the cig.
woow that cig when smoked felt like smoking 2 joints

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or try swabbing it up with some hemp fiber or cotton and then vape that
fuck combustion

 

[CloudScion]

@Cuthbert Sinclair
yeah fuckcombustion, vape and eat your stuff man (but do what you want to do of course, i think you know all the bad things about smoking xD)

 

[OF]

Gentle Friends,

I bought an "Air" from DHGate, well actually "in stock dry herb vaporizer Arizer solo vaporizer Extreme Q Arizer Air Portable Vaporizer vs Mighty vaporizer DHL Free".

If it wasn't counterfeit we'd call it an Air. This is definitely counterfeit.

Notice the screw at the bottom is 'wrong' (in fact the chassis rattles, yes, rattles in the tube. When the cap is on it doesn't rattle, however since the rubber seal at the top of the oven presses hard against the top (no chance for an extra o-ring here). Notice the panel not only doesn't have any protective film like the real ones, but comes with scratches (so you don't have to do it yourself). Are the up and down arrows supposed to be black on this model? The battery, which got here dead flat, is Samsung, not the real one. It's charging now at 830mA (about normal). The bottom cap threads are sloppy and rough, nothing like the real ones and check out the inside of the battery cap, quite crude compared to the original I posted a bit back:

The outside corner of the cap isn't rounded like the black one, it's got a 45 degree bevel instead. No S/N on the cap bottom......in fact no label to put it on......

You can also spot differences in the mouth of the battery compartments:

The genuine one (black, on top) has a metal insert for the screw (rather than blind threads in the plastic......), it also has a battery pad to protect the PCB (and control rattles) in the tube and notice how the counterfeit ground pin has a step in it? All useful clues I think.

The accessories are close, and interchange, but are clearly done on different tooling:

The charger should work, but while I don't have an official one handy (I have a home made charger based on 'the Gadget') I'm pretty sure the factory one is marked 'Arizer'? Not so here:

It's not all bad news, though. The beeper is louder, easier to hear (although that'll probably get 'too loud' complaints) and they've definitely opened the oven holes up even more:

Notice the tool marks on the top of the rubber seal on the counterfeit? Sloppy, didn't bother to polish their tooling, lots of examples of this spread around the unit. It might pass muster if you'd never seen on, but it's obvious side by side.

More when I've poked more.

OF

Edit: One other note, it got here fast, DHL from China in a week give or take? Nothing like PIU, but not as slow as might be.

OF

Next edit: The battery is evidently counterfeit as well (go figure....) it say ICR18650-26F as you can see above, a legit part number for a top of the line 2600mAh unit:
http://neworld.co.il/upload/lithium_battery/Samsung_ICR18650-26F.pdf

The charger, however, says it's closer to 1000mAh than 2600. My gadget terminated at 980mAh and it should have another 10% or so. I'm about to put it on the stand alone battery tester and confirm it's capacity in standardized charge and discharge conditions where genuine ICR18650s (at least I think they're genuine) tested at 2567mAh (close enough to 2600 for jazz).

OF

 

[Justpassedu]

Gentle Friends,

I bought an "Air" from DHGate, well actually "in stock dry herb vaporizer Arizer solo vaporizer Extreme Q Arizer Air Portable Vaporizer vs Mighty vaporizer DHL Free".

If it wasn't counterfeit we'd call it an Air. This is definitely counterfeit.

Notice the screw at the bottom is 'wrong' (in fact the chassis rattles, yes, rattles in the tube. When the cap is on it doesn't rattle, however since the rubber seal at the top of the oven presses hard against the top (no chance for an extra o-ring here). Notice the panel not only doesn't have any protective film like the real ones, but comes with scratches (so you don't have to do it yourself). Are the up and down arrows supposed to be black on this model? The battery, which got here dead flat, is Samsung, not the real one. It's charging now at 830mA (about normal). The bottom cap threads are sloppy and rough, nothing like the real ones and check out the inside of the battery cap, quite crude compared to the original I posted a bit back:

The outside corner of the cap isn't rounded like the black one, it's got a 45 degree bevel instead. No S/N on the cap bottom......in fact no label to put it on......

You can also spot differences in the mouth of the battery compartments:

The genuine one (black, on top) has a metal insert for the screw (rather than blind threads in the plastic......), it also has a battery pad to protect the PCB (and control rattles) in the tube and notice how the counterfeit ground pin has a step in it? All useful clues I think.

The accessories are close, and interchange, but are clearly done on different tooling:

The charger should work, but while I don't have an official one handy (I have a home made charger based on 'the Gadget') I'm pretty sure the factory one is marked 'Arizer'? Not so here:

It's not all bad news, though. The beeper is louder, easier to hear (although that'll probably get 'too loud' complaints) and they've definitely opened the oven holes up even more:

Notice the tool marks on the top of the rubber seal on the counterfeit? Sloppy, didn't bother to polish their tooling, lots of examples of this spread around the unit. It might pass muster if you'd never seen on, but it's obvious side by side.

More when I've poked more.

OF

Edit: One other note, it got here fast, DHL from China in a week give or take? Nothing like PIU, but not as slow as might be.

OF

Thanks for taking 1 for the team. Looking forward to hearing your results when you get some testing in. I would most likely not purchase 1 as i am big arizer fan but i would grab some knockoff stems and i know you prob bought this to help all of us out and not make the mistake. Also betting you may gift this to 1 of your buddies eventually.

 

[OF]

Thanks for taking 1 for the team. Looking forward to hearing your results when you get some testing in. I would most likely not purchase 1 as i am big arizer fan but i would grab some knockoff stems and i know you prob bought this to help all of us out and not make the mistake. Also betting you may gift this to 1 of your buddies eventually.

Exactly so. I've no interest in encouraging folks to get this POS expecting an Air. Arizer rightly deserves the business.......not what seems to be some crooks? I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with it, I'm thinking of giving away my backup Air and making this one my new backup.....provided it makes good vapor of course.

It might end up for experiments, or even scrapped (although I like the louder beeper....). Then again it was $75 shipped and an assumed risk on my part.

I was just looking it over as it's finishing the charging, the oven seal is definitely sub par. The 3 glass reinforced ribs guys keep calling 'o-rings'? No need to worry about that here......they're not there. Nor can I see the nut that carries them in the real unit. Just the rubber cap on the top. I'm not sure there's a gap 'over the top' and down the outside of the stem for airflow, perhaps it all has to come through the 4 holes? Something else to poke into.

OF

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Thanks for taking 1 for the team. Looking forward to hearing your results when you get some testing in. I would most likely not purchase 1 as i am big arizer fan but i would grab some knockoff stems and i know you prob bought this to help all of us out and not make the mistake. Also betting you may gift this to 1 of your buddies eventually.

Not much of a buddy if they get the counterfeit one huh?

 

[kingofnull]

Has anyone tried using the Solo o-rings with the Air?

 

[al bundy]

Carefull if you do
The top of the Air isn't like the top on the Solo.
You may strip the threads on it.

 

[Bravesst]

@OF is on the job!!!
Sincerely, thank you for keeping us all out of harm's way with these nasty counterfeits, as well as getting ripped off...

 

[OF]

A couple more observations on the counterfeit Air I'm testing for your consideration?

This guy definitely has less restriction. I need to play some more, but as of my third bowl I'm thinking it's easy to show alternate slow thick hits and fast thin ones alternating, something I've never tried with the genuine one since, I guess, fast hard hits are much harder to do?

The beep, although louder, doesn't seem to be programed to beep when a session times out like the genuine one. It only beeps on turn on and manual turn off? Of the 3 conditions, surely the thing timing out mid session is the most important???? Turning it on and off you're already focused on pressing the button squarely and watching the lights....... To me this says it's not a pirated software package, but new code written to mimic the genuine one.....done by someone/group that doesn't understand the unit's use???

The airpath is different and the oven sealed differently in important ways I think. Gone are the 3 ribs (often mistaken for o-rings of which Air really has none), so the stem tilt very easily on the cap seal (the soft rubber cover on the oven). Also gone is the airpath routing where air came up through the wall of the oven by way of flats on the threaded part and across the top of the cup to come down between the stem and oven wall to the load. With the top of the oven sealed against the stem there's no longer a way for this 'down the outside of the stem air' to get in. Instead the bottom holes seem to vent directly to 'the outside' below the oven, someday I may pull the oven out to confirm this.

Anyway, it makes vapor. Differently I think than the real Air does (much less restriction, much easier to overrun the oven heat). With some more experience I'm confident I could pick it out in a blindfold "A/B test".

A cheap copy in many ways, some important some not.......but clearly a rip off. Arizer gets no part of the sales and it would seem none of the parts come from them.

@OF is on the job!!!
Sincerely, thank you for keeping us all out of harm's way with these nasty counterfeits, as well as getting ripped off...

You're welcome, of course. I've got the bucks to blow on a $75 curiosity project and am not only personally interested but have the skills and equipment to give it the proverbial 'once over'.

This one is definitely worth avoiding on many fronts IMO. PIU beats DHGate here hands down!

OF

 

[lookhigh]

Im sure Ebay will be flooded with these and be sold to unsuspecting costumers for the same price or little less than the genuine article. Its sad but that is the reality. Nearly everything i buy these days will be investigated on forums like this.

 

[OF]

Im sure Ebay will be flooded with these and be sold to unsuspecting costumers for the same price or little less than the genuine article. Its sad but that is the reality. Nearly everything i buy these days will be investigated on forums like this.

Very well put, I too fear that's where this is going. Unless you know Air well these guys seem reasonable the owner is unlikely to know he's been screwed.

So Arizer takes the risk, pays to develop and market the product but rather than reap their just profit it's likely to be stolen by the counterfeiters who will also damage the very market Arizer created with pollution of their junk. 'Oh, those, I had/saw/used one of those....'.

Past warning each other I'm not sure what we can do. But I agree, the threat is real and extremely likely. "Sad" is the right word.

OF

 

[CarolKing]

@OF to the rescue again. There were several other vaporizers that DHgate was selling so I would assume those are also counterfeit. It's always buyer beware. If a deal looks too good, it probably isn't a good deal.

 

[Bravesst]

Just purchased an LSV, hoping it can be manipulated to perform like a corded Air of sorts. Either way, experimenting should be fun.

 

[SSVUN~YAH]

Just purchased an LSV, hoping it can be manipulated to perform like a corded Air of sorts. Either way, experimenting should be fun.

The LSV is an absolute animal compared to the AA. Apples and oranges.