rozroz
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Yes i see what you mean.
I think that a good practice is managing doing it very lighty dosed every evening.
And when feeling healthier, trying every other day. That keeps the habit at bay.
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Yes i see what you mean.
I think that a good practice is managing doing it very lighty dosed every evening.
And when feeling healthier, trying every other day. That keeps the habit at bay.
sixtysix
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For sure, I can typically make it through the day without.. I'm not a big fan of vaping before/during work unless I'm feeling very off. Usually by 7-8 or so I find myself wanting to vape until I go to sleep.
rozroz
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Sounds good.
If you haven't tried micro dosing i suggest try using very little at evening and getting a milder high, then see if its ok for you.
That kind of high makes you less heavy the day after, perhaps even less needy.
rozroz
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herbivore21
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I used to combust 7g in a day sometimes before I went to vaping! I used to vape 3-5g in a day before I learned that high end concentrates were what I needed all along. Some people use large amounts of flower because they have medical need for large doses (in my case, to treat insomnia relating to an underlying neurological condition among other things).
What these people really need is concentrates. Smoking this amount of flower is brutal on one's airways, but vaping this much flower is very harsh on the throat! If it were not for concentrates, I'd probably have gone back to pharmaceuticals because of the throat irritation of vaping enough flower for my needs and the lack of lasting effects leading to my waking up in the night repeatedly.
Now I can take a good large dab of full melt, enjoy delicious flavor and fall asleep without a problem. That is real relief!
Remember, plenty of us are sick and require medically useful doses far beyond what you might use to unwind after a long day occasionally
Nothing crazy about it. I inhale minimal vapor, get maximum relief and cut down on the unwanted decomposition byproducts produced when we vape inactive plant material 
EverythingsHazy
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I don't consider Cannabis "addictive" because if you are just using it "recreationally", you can stop completely at any time, and you'll likely only suffer from boredom if anything at all. That said, I do think it is very easy to form a negative Cannabis habit. That's possible with anything that gives you a pleasurable sensation, though.
herbivore21
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We covered this discussion according to the diagnostic literature a ways back in this thread! Honestly, by the diagnostic criteria for a cannabis problem (they don't even have a diagnosis for a 'cannabis dependency' anymore in the DSM) and it is clearly recognized by researchers in the field that withdrawals are a very controversial concept with limited validity and acceptance in the scientific community.
The kinds of symptoms that are discussed in terms of withdrawals are also difficult to tease apart from the re-appearance of symptoms that cannabis use may inadvertently mask by medicating! In this case, of course the symptoms show up when you stop using it! Also remember that it doesn't count as withdrawals if the individual had a preexisting condition/preexisting symptoms before starting cannabis use. This is a differential diagnosis which rules out a diagnosis of withdrawal.
If you know anyone who has had an addiction to alcohol, cocaine, benzodiazepenes, heroin or other opiates. Quitting is a gruesome battle - nothing like ceasing use of cannabis. Withdrawals are obvious, widely demonstrable and range from awful to deadly. This is what addiction looks like! I just cannot understand why people talk about cannabis in terms of addiction when it is shares so little in common with these scenarios!
I have been a frequent, mostly daily cannabis user for many years and when the time arises, I can do without. I prefer not to, because cannabis is my medicine, but even in my case, I don't get withdrawals of any kind even after a couple of days of cessation! I am not bedridden during my travels because I have no cannabis and withdrawals are crippling me. I'm not selling all of my possessions and/or body to pay for more cannabis! I am not living on the streets because I've given away everything I ever had for cannabis!
I am sure we can appreciate the differences here!
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sixtysix
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That's a good point, I definitely conserve so much more than I did when I combusted.
rozroz
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@herbivore21
People who suffer from pain can surly consum as much as they need.
I meant recreational users, sorry
People who suffer from pain can surly consum as much as they need.
I meant recreational users, sorry
herbivore21
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This actually isn't just limited to pain man, there are other conditions that are successfully medicated by cannabis - including some neurological, autoimmune, psychiatric, gastrointestinal and other physiological conditions. My comment above wasn't directed at you though my friend, but some of the other members who've posted in this thread who have spoken in terms of addiction recently
MinnBobber
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yonatanil said: ↑
it depends on how you define medical...
IMO, I would never define "medical" so narrowly. Medical prescriptions for legal MMJ don't describe even 1% of what cannabis is medically good for. Many self medicate with cannabis and it's about the only substance where self-medicating with something actually works .
I personally find the medical vs rec labels to be a negative sidetrack to the goal of legal cannabis for all adults. Almost all cannabis use is for medical use, in the broadest sense of the word.
Especially since many folks, especially older ones , have bodily deficiencies of the endocannabinoid system (ECS) whereby cannabis is ideally a "health supplement" . It's just like if one was an older lady with a calcium deficiency---calcium supplements needed. Cannabis is nature's perfect helper for our ECS system.
It seems like most of the med focus on cannabis is on curing/mitigating a current disease/malady when IMO the supreme benefit of cannabis is to supplement our ECS system as an aid to PREVENT disease in the first place. It's like baby aspirin to help prevent strokes times a zillion as cannabis works on a preventing a multitude of diseases. >>> a milligram of prevention is worth a ton of cure .
Back to topic of addiction:
does wanting to continue to vape cannabis for all its benefits mean you are addicted?
I'd say no.
Or if you must say cannabis can be an addiction, then it is like the broader definition of addiction where you want to keep doing something. And those can be bad addictions or good addictions (like exercising every day) that you want to keep doing as they are so rewarding.
it depends on how you define medical...
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IMO, I would never define "medical" so narrowly. Medical prescriptions for legal MMJ don't describe even 1% of what cannabis is medically good for. Many self medicate with cannabis and it's about the only substance where self-medicating with something actually works .
I personally find the medical vs rec labels to be a negative sidetrack to the goal of legal cannabis for all adults. Almost all cannabis use is for medical use, in the broadest sense of the word.
Especially since many folks, especially older ones
, have bodily deficiencies of the endocannabinoid system (ECS) whereby cannabis is ideally a "health supplement" . It's just like if one was an older lady with a calcium deficiency---calcium supplements needed. Cannabis is nature's perfect helper for our ECS system.It seems like most of the med focus on cannabis is on curing/mitigating a current disease/malady when IMO the supreme benefit of cannabis is to supplement our ECS system as an aid to PREVENT disease in the first place. It's like baby aspirin to help prevent strokes times a zillion as cannabis works on a preventing a multitude of diseases. >>> a milligram of prevention is worth a ton of cure .
Back to topic of addiction:
does wanting to continue to vape cannabis for all its benefits mean you are addicted?
I'd say no.
Or if you must say cannabis can be an addiction, then it is like the broader definition of addiction where you want to keep doing something. And those can be bad addictions or good addictions (like exercising every day) that you want to keep doing as they are so rewarding.
herbivore21
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That is actually very similar to what used to be referred to as poly-substance dependence disorder. This diagnosis was removed from the DSM V - they seem to stick to the problem substance at the time. So if somebody had a sedative, hypnotic or anxiolytic use disorder, lost their connect for sedatives and moved onto opioids, then they would be said to have the former disorder until they started substituting for opioids, which if continued would likely constitute an opioid use disorder under the DSM V.
I stick to speaking purely in the medical diagnostic sense of what constitutes a drug problem as most laypeople's understandings regarding pathological substance use are miles away from the scholarly research on the topic. This is not those people's fault though, it is a wonder they know anything at all considering the bullshit that governments have taught them about drugs generally!
grokit
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Interesting 
A person with polysubstance dependence is psychologically addicted to being in an intoxicated state without a preference for one particular substance. Although any combination of three drugs can be used, studies have shown that alcohol is commonly used with another substance.
An addictive personality refers to a particular set of personality traits that make an individual predisposed to developing addictions. This hypothesis states that there are common elements among people with varying addictions that relates to personality traits.
It doesn't seem that they are exactly the same; they certainly have different wiki pages
And they're both pretty damn long
A person with polysubstance dependence is psychologically addicted to being in an intoxicated state without a preference for one particular substance. Although any combination of three drugs can be used, studies have shown that alcohol is commonly used with another substance.
An addictive personality refers to a particular set of personality traits that make an individual predisposed to developing addictions. This hypothesis states that there are common elements among people with varying addictions that relates to personality traits.
It doesn't seem that they are exactly the same; they certainly have different wiki pages
And they're both pretty damn long
EverythingsHazy
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Agreed. Physically, I feel like Cannabis is relatively safe, but I do believe you have to be careful with a few things., if you want to avoid forming a negative Cannabis habit.
The first of those things being your body's reward system. Becoming too used to being stoned can make normal sober life seem mundane for some people, and can therefore lead to reduced motivation to do things you are perceiving as more boring than you might have before being introduced to Cannabis. Cannabis should be used as a way to enjoy experiences even more, rather than being needed to get through doing every little thing. If you can't do something without getting stoned first, you are dependent on it. That's not to say the dependency is at all the same as alcohol/opiate/nicotine dependencies, but it is a dependency nonetheless, and no dependency is beneficial. It's always better to have the option and be comfortable with either choice.
The second thing you should be careful with is using Cannabis to make and/or suppress depression/stress. Can Cannabis be used to help those with depression/stress? In my opinion, it can. However, the way you go about it is important. If there are specific issues stressing you, and you are using it to get to a point where you temporarily forget about or are distracted from them, you'll very likely get hit with the same or even worse stress when you sober up. You need to take care of those issues if you want the stress to end. Getting stoned and feeling better (or possibly worse actually depending on your headspace) for a few hours isn't going to help much in the long term.
Lastly, don't let Cannabis dictate your life. If you want to be stoned all day, that's up to you, but don't turn down meeting friends, doing work, going out, and otherwise positively progressing through life, just so you can get stoned instead. That's a big difference between being a stereotypical "pothead" and a "productive stoner".
rozroz
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After leaving home and my vapes behind this week to go on holiday. It made me realize that I am not addicted at all to weed. If I don't have it in front of me I don't feel the want for it. I'm surprised and relieved to find that there's no craving for it. After all I'm a fairly heavy user that prefers to be buzzed all day.
This will be the longest break I've had from cannabis for a long time. I think this T break will do me a lot of good. I'm looking forward to having a nice session with my Herbalizer when I get home.
This will be the longest break I've had from cannabis for a long time. I think this T break will do me a lot of good. I'm looking forward to having a nice session with my Herbalizer when I get home.
Squiby
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I have been spending lots of time in the hospital lately from complications after a severe food poisoning incident last year. I have been admitted four times, for a weeks time, each time, over the last three months. I too realized that even though I normally vape all day every day, I had no craving for bud during these visits.
I'll tell you what my addiction is....
The Fuck Combustion website! The hospital blocked access to this site, probably because of the name.....And it nearly drove me out of my mind. I could access Leafly.ca and various dispensary websites but not FC.
I am an addict; to FC! I love you guys!!!
I'll tell you what my addiction is....
The Fuck Combustion website! The hospital blocked access to this site, probably because of the name.....And it nearly drove me out of my mind. I could access Leafly.ca and various dispensary websites but not FC.
I am an addict; to FC! I love you guys!!!
rozroz
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The Fuck Combustion website! The hospital blocked access to this site, probably because of the name.....And it nearly drove me out of my mind. I could access Leafly.ca and various dispensary websites but not FC.
I am an addict; to FC! I love you guys!!!
FH! FuckHospitals! so they thought this was porn huh? idiots.
so now you're hooked on morphine?
Squiby
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so now you're hooked on morphine?
Not yet! I actively ask for smaller and smaller doses during my stay. They say most people ask for more, but I would rather suffer a bit of pain, when bearable, than to have THAT monkey on my back.
After each week of IV morphine, they even sent me home with more to enjoy when the mood strikes. They are all drug pushers.
Violator Kush is very effective, as is Remedy for pain and I prefer it. I am certainly more functional on pot than on morphine, that's for sure!
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Baron23
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I guess I'll just keep posting this:
Habituation does NOT equal addiction.
Its that simple to me and is based on my personal 50 year relationship with cannabis (with usage peaks and valleys over my life) and of those I know. That is, first hand experience.
Of course in today's society, a large portion of which needs to be a victim at all times, it MUST be addiction because otherwise we would have to be personally responsible for our habits. Just saying.
Carry on.
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