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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by Jason267, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. nosmoking

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    From W9TECH's web site:


    This would seem to indicate that it's a silica or ceramic wick. SiC is a type of ceramic, so it's possible that this is a SiC ceramic wick.

    @nosmoking, recommend using only fluid concentrate. Also, be sure to have some alcohol on hand that you can use to collect and concentrate the reclaim, which was significant. Also recommend curbing your enthusiasm, sadly. For 15 USD, the Trinity tank is fine, but it's unlikely to be life-changing.
     
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    It seems like a better option than other prefilled or disposable carts. It seemed to get a little more enthusiasm in the thread I linked, however it is an acquired sort of enthusiasm I think. You have to be wanting to actually run distillate or as you say liquid concentrates rather than more stable concentrates. This is ok by me for now. Load and go is just not working for me anymore...the lack of convenience means I ofte. end up with no time to do it or wasting product due to rushing.
     
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    The heater is a hybrid Titanium Grade 2 and SiC.


    Temperature control capable.
    It is cleanable in 99% Iso.
    No glues, or welds.

    The materials used is not like the other tanks. I won't go into details about it but it's better then other designs.
     
  5. Jason267

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    Just a little update...Got my order in from True Terpenes...
    Got 1ml of Myrcene, 1ml Linalool, and 1ml Alpha Pinene, also a small sample of their "Green Crack" which is their blend "strains" of a few different terpenes (Myrcene, Beta Caryophyllen, Alpha Pinene, Humulene, Beta Pinene, Limonene, Linalool, Caryophyllene Oxide)...

    I'm attempting to just do a quick mix w/ 2 to 4 drops of the "Green Crack" with my CBD vape juice that is 50%VG and 50%PG. I just added 3 drops directly in the filled vape tank which is a Smok "Baby Beast" tank with a .15ohm coil. Ive been told that terpenes wont mix well with Vegetable Glycerin, but I'm assuming that is only if you are trying to make a actual mix to save on in a bottle, and to have the terpenes suspend well with only PEG or PG or adding to a concentrate.

    But, as far as adding the drops to a VG/PG mixture directly in the vape tank, it seems to mix well enough for a quick vape session.

    *update*
    The small quantity quick mix worked fine. While the terpenes will separate over time, for a quick vape session adding the drops directly in the tank filled with VG/PG CBD juice mixed well enough. And as far as results, it worked amazingly well! I added 3 drops of the terpene strain "Green Crack" to 3ml of CBD juice. I rolled the tank around to get the terpenes to mix. Just wanted to see what would happen. Worked fine. I'm sure it would separate after 10mins or so.
    The "Green Crack" definitely brought out a lil' something in the CBD juice compared to just vaping the CBD alone!

    I've heard that some folks make a mixture of Terpenes with Coconut oil and capsulate the mixture. Tomorrow I'm going to experiment with adding drops to a teaspoon of Coconut oil and adding it to my morning cup of coffee. Looks like for a medium dose of Linalool is 250 to 300 microliters which is approx. 10 to 12 drops...And one teaspoon of coconut oil is approx. 4.5grams...From the True Terpenes site, they say that you should add one or two drops per gram. So ill go with 10 drops with the teaspoon of C.O.
    Not sure how liquid Terpenes do with going through the digestive system and making a pass through the liver, etc...but we shall see!
     
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    Looking forward to hearing your results. Thanks for sharing!
     
  7. Jason267

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    So after vaping my mixture of a couple drops mixed with my CBD vape juice, I went to open the top of the tank (Smok Baby Beast tank) and the rubber spacer at the top where you fill your juice was popped out a bit and slightly deformed...I'm guessing adding the terpenes in had heated up the tank too much and slightly melted the rubber top area. I had nice effects from vaping the mix at 45 watts. I couldn't close the tank with the rubber piece messed up so I replaced it, tried again...vaped on a lower wattage (28 watts) hoping that the heat wouldn't be as bad...but once again, messed up the new top rubber re-fill seal! Had to empty it all out, and went back to just ejuice for now, no terpenes. Down to my last rubber seal.

    This was strange because I had been using some Linalool from a company called FX/Highland Farms that sells CBD oil and vape juice as well as terpene blends. It had worked in the same tank perfectly with great overall results...was told by that company that it was 100% Linalool...My only guess is that it was not the same purity as the terpenes from True Terpenes as they show a COA lab report saying their stuff is all in the 95% to 99% purity range. Confused why the new stuff had this strange reaction with the same ratio of terpene to CBD mix in my tank...?

    But, this morning, I did try mixing some terpenes with coconut oil and added it to my coffee...
    I added 6 drops of Alpha Pinene (approx. 150 microliters) to a teaspoon of melted coconut oil, stirred that up and poured the mix in a cup of coffee...Can definitely say that it works! The taste of these Terpenes from True Terpene though is quite horrible! Both the Myrcene and the Alpha Pinene for vaping and adding to a mixture for oral consumption is comparable to straight up turpentine! I ended up having to soak the vape tank parts in rubbing alcohol before building it up again with a new coil, otherwise that taste from adding the "Green Crack" strain terpenes remained heavily!

    Wont be experimenting with vaping CBD with terpenes again until I get a different tank setup I suppose...

    Any ideas about what exactly happened? Only added about 3 drops to 3ml of CBD vape juice to the tank and didn't notice high heat or anything but I'm guessing that's what caused the rubber part to warp...
     
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    How would adding terpenes cause the tank to heat up more than expected? The terpenes could be reacting with the rubber. They're about 5% of your mix, and may separate at the top near the seal, increasing the local concentration and possibly volatilizing. Recommend testing with one of the old seals before continuing.

    Regarding coffee - did you use a control of coconut oil without added terppenes? Bulletproof coffee is a recent nutrition fad in which MCTs (medium-chain triglycerides) are added to coffee. Coconut oil is rich in MCTs. What were the effects?

    The cannabis-derived terpenes tasted much like prime flower, at least when added to concentrate.
     
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    Separation I'm sure occurs but when I used a different brands Linalool there was no problems with the top rubber seal on the tank. Guessing that the first brand used wasn't as concentrated or as pure of an extract for the terpenes possibly? I did the 3 drops in 3ml CBD mixture numerous times with no problems...but with the True Terpenes that's when the rubber seal warped after I vaped a tanks worth. I replaced it with an extra seal I had, vaped at a lower wattage but again it happened...Might experiment with vaping the terpenes again with a different tank setup in the future, because I noticed the best overall effects through vaping 'em! Bummed it didn't work out...Are you thinking that the True Terpenes terp's had some sort of chemical reaction with the rubber seal causing the warp?

    Also, the original Linalool I ran from FX/Highland Farms smelled and tasted better, more floral, but it wasn't from cannabis, I was told it was from Lavender when I emailed the company. Again, no problems with doing the exact same quick mix in the tank...
    True Terpenes are not from cannabis either, but from various plants depending on the Terpene type.
    So not sure what exactly happened...

    As far as the coffee mix I did this morning...I had a canister of coconut oil, not MCT, scooped out a teaspoon in to a small bowl, microwaved it till it melted, then added the drops of terpenes. Mixed it up and then just poured it in to a cup of my usual coffee...Tasted strange but the smell was what bothered me mostly...very chemical smelling, almost like pain thinner or turpentine, which I've read that some terpenes (not sure which ones) are used in actual pain thinner.
    The overall effects I noticed was a bit more clarity and got rid of my "morning fog" I experience every morning. Also a bit of noticeable relaxation. Nothing to drastic but definitely noticeable. I was curious how the terpenes alone (with no CBD, etc) would do, and also interested in how well they pass through the digestive system, liver, etc.

    ^I got the idea from a guy I was chatting with from True Terpenes, he said he made a big mix of coconut oil and terpenes and then used the mix to make gel capsules. And would then just take a couple every morning for his nerve pain. I do have 100 empty veggie gel caps, but that sounds like a real mess to make!
     
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    Curious...Does anyone know if its true that no matter what plant was used to extract the terpenes, the overall effects are the same?
    For example, Myrcene extracted from cannabis will be the same as Myrcene extracted from Thyme or Basil...the results will be the same (as long as the end result is pure).
    Is this true?
     
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    Yes, turpentine is a rubber solvent. According to Wikipedia: "Turpentine is composed of terpenes, mainly the monoterpenes alpha-pinene and beta-pinene with lesser amounts of carene, camphene, dipentene, and terpinolene." Weren't you using alpha-pinene? Incubate one of the old seals with your terpene mix and see what happens. You probably don't want to inhale dissolved rubber.

    The major constituent identified should be chemically identical, regardless of how it was derived. If it's not, the nomenclature should reflect that. The contaminants may well be different. To the extent that these contribute to the observed effects, the source could matter. Cannabis-derived terpenes need not be isolated from one another. They can be steam distilled from the plant material and supplied as a mixture that likely includes many minor, unidentified constituents.
     
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    Thanks!

    Talked to one of the sales guys at True Terpenes, he recommended a tank called the "BCC-1 1.0ml tank" from BBTank is what they all use, it has no rubber pieces, guess ill try that next.
     
  13. Vape Donkey 650

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    Wow...I checked the listing for the trinity on the website, it has much more info added from a couple weeks ago.

    0.5 ohm titanium coil wire...that is indeed temp controllable! @Accept 's breakdown pics showing the relatively thick wire gave me a clue to this. This would make the trinity tank the first small-ish, 1ml-or-so sized, pen-style tank for concentrates to actually incorporate a TC-able wire! (that I know of)

    @THC SCIENTIFIC , I think this is a key point that many of your (potential) customers would be interested in knowing about, and I think you should emphasize this point more! :nod::tup: I'll give you guys credit on that significant achievement.

    However, there's still some muddling and lost potential, IMO. :( For "temp control mode" with the little 600mah pen-battery that you pair with the trinity tank, holding the button down for 4 seconds at a time is not true temp control operation. Unless you guys are packing alot more sensors and smarts inside that normal looking battery than it appears, those batteries just fire off at a fixed voltage of whatever the cell is charged to at the moment. That means that the coil continues to get hotter and hotter (to a certain extent, the sub-ohm coil on a small battery helps with that problem somewhat) the longer you hold the button down, and long-duration, back-to-back hits can easily make the wire glow red hot, hot enough to combust oil, making crusty carbon reclaim gunk. I don't think anyone wants that. :ugh:

    With a Ti sub-ohm coil, I don't know why you wouldn't recommend your customers to use a TC mod, or better yet, even sell one as a package for the trinity tank! $50 bucks for a regular 600mah fixed volt battery? You can get alot of TC mod for the same $.... :suspicious: :2c:

    Sorry but I must take issue with this....when I see a Ti coil wrapped around a porous SiC donut, this is not a "SiC heater".

    What this is...is a Ti heater coil with a (porous) SiC "wick".

    When I hear "SiC heater" I would think of something like this....
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    A relatively smooth, less porous ceramic heater, with a solder from a TC-capable metal wire into an evenly-deposited resistive material inside the ceramic heater. In heaters like this, the metal wire does conduct some heat, but it's a tiny fraction of the much greater heat conducted by the ceramic itself.

    I thought the main benefit and desirability of SiC as a vaping material is that it could be made less porous, to offer the best taste and cleanability? If you make it porous, I don't see how it's any better than any other porous ceramic material with a hot wire wrapped around it. :shrug:

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    These pictured silica ceramic cylinder (heaters? wicks?) are little more than a rubble pile chunked together around a wire, SS in this case. The SS wire is still making most of the heat conduction for vaping, and leaves a perceptible taste in the vapor.

    How is the trinity's heater/wick functionally different from this?

    And what's wrong with "weld"
    (solder?) The alumina ceramic donuts have been off-gas tested, and there's nothing to see there. :shrug: (If you TC it, fine, if you glow them red hot, maybe not :()

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    Some vapers like myself (a minority i think?) are strongly disinclined to heaters with exposed metal coil wires that conduct most of the heat that make the vaporization occur. It leaves a very noticeable metallic taste.

    And also, if you would accept my humble suggestion, the next version of the trinity needs much bigger wicking holes in the atomizer chimney. The tiny pinholes, as they currently are, greatly restrict performance. I'd suggest using at least 3 or 4 holes of at least 1/8" (about 3mm) in diameter. This allows for much great air and juice flow for bigger clouds and a quicker refresh rate on the SiC wick and for it to work better with thicker juices like Accept's BHO mix, or thick co2 oil :2c:

    I've seen some of your recent work on the "one-hitter" thread, some interesting stuff. A crafty coil builder like you should have no problem putting together one of my "VD" cubis donut coils. You could probably do it in about an hour or so, maybe less, and then you have full control over the placement of the wicking and heaters.

    I don't think you're recent on the "advanced" tank thread... (there's alot of arbitrary separation in some of these threads) I've been finding some interesting new RTAs that could have great potential for high-performing concentrate tanks!

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    As far as lubrication, I'm not inclined to add terps to any concentrate myself, but in some of my recent experiments making a new round of atomizer coils optimized for my first distillate tanks I've set up for myself, it's clear, that having your oils slick'ed up with terps can easily add to your tank functionality and wicking effectiveness.

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    However, adding terps can be a "slippery slope" and should be practiced with much caution...:2c:

    Exactly...fresh flowers and "full spectrum" concentrates can (should?) have how many? 8, 12, 20 different distinct terpene compounds present in it? A little more of some, less of others. I don't want to have a total concentrate solution with just 2 or 3 terps constituting 3-4%+ (each) of the total volume/mass of my mix! Especially with some, like a-pinene, limone, these can be hazardous! Spikes of individual terps in distillates in concentrates can also makes the flavor generic and overly strong, too.

    I've found that simply by designing (modifying) an atomizer coil with plenty of generous wicking holes, properly placed, can remove/negate the need for terpene/PEG lubrication. Thick co2s & minimally diluted BHO/rosin will taste more natural and be closer to their natural consistency.

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    But hey.... "terp beginners" sorry for the tangents. :D I was just following @Accept (he started it ;))

    Now that is an idea I like for several reasons! First off, consuming terps by eating or drinking them makes many of them inherently safer to ingest. Absorbing them slowly by digestion, the accute toxicity of terps is reduced substantially. Also, by drinking the terps and not accidentally over-heating it with unregulated temps from a non-TC battery, you can avoid thermally degrading terpenes into potentially more hazard compounds.

    "Cooking" with terps is an emerging field too. Check out "Bong Appetit" on VICE TV, they have this fat white guy Ry whos' sole job, it seems, is to pop-in over the shoulder of the guest chefs to frequently spike the cooking pot with HTFSE, kief, distillate, bubble hash, just about any concentrate you can imagine, and sometimes just pure terps! (What a great job! :D)

    Remember, pretty much all plants have terpenes, not just cannabis. And cannabis doesn't really have any "unique terpenes" that other plants don't have (besides cannabinoids) but it only has unique combinations of terpenes that give our favorite strains their characteristic flavors and effects. :ko:

    :doh: D'oh. Accept already got you up to speed with the a-pinene. (pretty much turpentine, careful there, poison is in the dosage!)

    But with the 0.15 ohm coil on a mod....I hope you're TC'ing that guy! Raising a-pinene to over 600F doesn't make it any healthier. Baby beast coils can be run in TC with a SS, Ti wire?

    Also, I hope your tank isn't leaking on you if you keep it filled up long enough, they just released a new top-air flow version (should be leak-proof) that I'm going to try

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  14. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    Oh man i got on and saw a long post :-) I Hope i can address your questions. Please forgive me if some of the things might be miss worded. I had a testing session and realized a gram was actually vaped in testing 10 min ago.

    Yes the Trinity can be temperature controlled. Its capacity is .7ml but we recommend half gram fills. Enough for a full day to most people.

    We are moving towards the average user as apposed to someone who likes to tinker. We found out the average user likes a simple to use form factor where they just turn it on and use it and not worry about other things.


    As for the temp control part of the claim it is not super accurate but you are able to control the core temperature of the heater with different length button presses. No way is this accurate but for its size its a trade off. About the wire glow part, thermodynamics comes into play here. It would be very very hard to make wire glow with the Full Trinity battery, with mods yes thats possible even using 1 watt where i have documented this on my youtube channel.

    As for recommending or selling other brands thats not possible. Legal standpoint i would be liable for any issues other mods create. Other then that we are not known to sell other peoples vapes as we make our own in our own factory in China. We how ever can and do make vaporizers for other companies. We employs engineers here and there to help with design and everything else. I am even contracted out sometimes to consult.

    When we have our TC mod done and available then that will be paired with the Trinity tank as well as the Bubbleman batteries.


    As for the heater being a hybrid i would like to point out all that the wire is not wrapped around SiC but inside it, and the SiC heats up if does help with the vaporization. Percentages of which heats more oil is the Titanium thats for sure. Even being at 95/5 is still considered Hybrid. Im not saying 95/5 is our ratio but even numbers like that does not mean its not a hybrid.

    We cater to the purist, and unfortunately having welds for us is not pure. Our goal is to eliminate every unnecessary materials in the chamber. Welds, glues, cotton and other nonessential materials are slowly being removed from our Kiss Alpha Centauri. The Triton is taking the AC to a whole new level of Keeping it Simple.


    Titanium is an inert material that is why majority of people use titanium nails, some purist have gone further by using Quartz, SiC and from what i hear some even going to exotic gems.

    You are right small percentage of people taste the metal. That is why we have the Hercules. Have you used the Hercules?

    As for the next version, we already have 2 other versions in testing.


    Now your image of easy to build top filling, this is cotton material that is used for wicking material correct?

    Correct on terps adding them can be slippery slope. Everyone needs to be careful what they buy and from where as well as what is inside, how they use it. As far as isolated i understand but i think our terpenes are actual flower profiles. Like our lemon tree flavor, it is actual profile of the lemon tree strain. Getting very popular here. Your not guessing exactly how much to add from which one.

    As for the top flow design we are aware of it since 2016 and are trying to fix some issues we have encountered with them before we move them into production ready features.

    I hope this answers some of the questions you have. I appreciate the dialogue.
     
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    Thanks! These inception coils are remarkable. Reset tolerance to a tiny dab. Can't justify using anything else at this point. Need someone else to try for independent confirmation.

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    Tried to stay on topic, apologies for digression.

    Had a similar experience - easy to seriously overindulge.
     
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    @THC SCIENTIFIC, thanks for the detailed reply! My posts can be too long sometimes, but you covered just about everything I brought up. :tup: I hope it didn't t seem like I'm ranting / yelling at you :rant: :tinfoil: :o

    I always try to keep it constructive, substantive, and always keep it 100% :2c: :spliff:

    What? You mean you vaped up a gram in a 10 minute testing session? :ko: wow. Sounds like fun.

    I data-log my tanks and mods like a metadata nerd, by keeping track of my filling amounts and puff counters on my mods, I've estimated puff dosages ranging from about 2-4mg per puff, yielding anywhere from 300-400 puffs per gram. (depending on many factors which can be controlled) The intensity can be "turnt up" :leaf:to some degree without harming flavor and quality... sooo.... if you and @Accept can vape up a half gram or gram in a single day or session on the trinity tank, that's pretty intense! It's going harder than I might think through those little wicking holes :D

    But also, I rotate my tank usage among 8 different filled tanks and mods now, so a 1.2-1.5 gram fill can last me weeks and weeks, since I space them out. That will depend alot on the user's usage habits.

    I hear you. I would definitely say I'm a "tank tinkerer" at this point. I also like simple form factors, reliability and user-friendliness, but I'm also not averse to messing around with stuff to try to improve them if I'm not satisfied. If the state of the market for tanks for concentrate (or e-cig RTAs that also work well with concentrates) was much better 1 or 2 years ago, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now.

    I totally concede that much of what I'm doing is repulsive and off-putting to a good segment of the people who want to vape concentrates on a tank. Many people don't want to use mods, or mess around with fine points like locking in atomizer coil resistance, or finding their ideal vaping temperature in 2*F increments. :D

    So that's cool at least that you guys are pushing the "pen" market forward with these incremental improvements. Someone has to do it, and things only look to continue to improve! :cool:


    Thanks for acknowledging that. ;) Maybe it would be more accurate if you call it "heat control" with the trinity battery rather than "temp control" since that term has a pretty well-known meaning in the industry today. I suppose it would be pretty damn hard to make the 0.5 ohm titanium coil glow red with the little battery (with a mod no problem) although you don't necessarily have to glow a metal coil red hot to make it vape too hot for some tastes. :shrug:

    I try to understand your POV too, as a manufacturer / retailer that has to warranty these parts. Newbie customers can be very ham-handed and easily mis-use any of your atomizers, carelessly plugging them into a TC/VW mod and frying it with 70 or 200w without even knowing what they're doing. :rolleyes: It makes it easier on your end to sell your tank or atomizer with a known battery that you produce and can expect a certain reliable QC from.

    That will be great if your suppliers can produce an in-house temp control mod that has good features and performance to compete with many of the good TC mods out there. You can pair it with many of your TC-capable atomizers and hope with some good instructions that customers won't burn out their atty's prematurely :doh:

    As far as the little pen-style batteries, that would be great if some company could make a true "TC mod" if even a basic one that would fit into a relatively compact, cylinder profile like a pen. That can detect coil resistance, change settings, etc. (maybe through usb, with no screen?) But that seems like a stretch with today's vape gear...maybe a few years away? :hmm:

    At least it's still easy for someone to plug in your trinity to a TC mod if they want to, and know what they're doing, warranty be damned. :evil: I'd like to see someone try this and see how it's different from the small battery. Maybe 15-20w TC-Ti?

    Without me having one of these in my possession (or being able to dis-assemble without destroying it?) and having only Accept's pics and your description to go off, I'll just have to remain a bit hazy on how this heater/wick structure is. I understand if you can't tell me 100% how it's made or every detail, to not tip your hand.

    So I'd generally take your figures on how much each part contributes to heating up and vaping, more or less, but surely, the type of coil/wick combo you have in the trinity tank is different in structure and manufacture from the donut-type resistive ceramic heaters?

    Is there a particular reason why you don't like "welds" (solders) in your heaters? I thought some of your other atomizers use donuts like this. Is it more of a philosophical, platonic thing, or are there some solid reasons for avoiding this that I'm not aware of?

    In the abstract, I try to avoid any un-necessary materials also, but I haven't heard anything about ceramic heaters with a metal solder not being safe to use? Many companies use heaters like them, and the benefits they offer in a gentler heat-up are worth having an additional material being present, IMO.


    I think everyone can tell by now that I'm one of those few that don't like metal coil tastes in my atomizers. :D Some types bother me more than others. Ti wires have a distinct noticeable taste to me, SS a little less so. Hot kanthal tastes like burning solder to me :mad: The last metal wire atomizer that I was able to use for a while was the HVT Sai with the SS / black ceramic coil. It's super easy to use and TC, and made some decent vapor that I could tolerate the SS taste, but the porous black wick got gunked up pretty quick and the taste became pretty bad, and this was not easy to clean, so I went back to my layg donuts. :shrug:

    I have not used the hercules, but I am familar with it and read many people's reviews of it here in FC. The restrictive air intake and cool-down hits seem like deal-breakers to me. :( (I really likes big airflow too :p)

    But I'll be looking at your upcoming versions of the trinity tank, there was a couple other features I didn't have space to get along to mentioning explicitly, but you were talking about it coming up too:
     
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  17. Vape Donkey 650

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    You are referring to the oumier magic winds RTA that I showed a pic of:

    this is just a "bare" RDA/RTA for the user to build as they wish, no wicking material or even coils are included, I think.

    That reminds me that I forgot to commend the lack of cotton wick on your trinity tank. Using cotton for a wicking material of concentrates on direct-conduction, e-cig type vapes is one of the few things I hate even more than metal wires. :mad: It just tastes so gross, and wears out and burns up so easily, which doesn't allow it to perform it's intended function very well. It seems you guys have picked up on this point, too. :tup: Over time, I'd rather huff on some reclaimed-up porous ceramic rather than any sort of cotton wick, any day.

    Yup, terp with care, people. :D (back to the original spirit of this thread) Not all terpene producers are equal, but I have heard alot of good stuff about the blue river brand. (Their founder was a guest in a "Bong Appetit" episode, and they cook with his terp blends alot too)

    If a terp maker is creating a "full spectrum" product that accurately captures all (or nearly all) of the precious terps in a strain, and lacks any contaminants that don't belong there, that should be a good product. If they are derived from cannabis or not, I don't know if that would really matter, superficially, but perhaps there are other un-known, un-quantified benefits from terps being "cannabis derived" (Maybe some secret good stuff in that 1-2% "impurities" ? :brow: who knows)

    But anyways, I'm still intrigued by @Jason267's idea of adding a couple drops to his coffee. I could try a couple of drops of HTFSE in my espresso, or perhaps a sprinkling of kief to add some spice? :p (Bong appetit again) Could be harmless and wasteful, at the worst....


    ..and that was the last part I forgot to explicitly mention in my last post. :D Top-air flow (and filling) designs are great features that are becoming standard in the e-cig RTA scene, for good reason, so you're right to want to incorporate that into your new versions.

    The problem of leaking oil through the bottom-air intake holes in the 510 connector is a common and avoidable problem on tanks big and small. It's always a small miracle to me when I see these kinds of tanks not leak out, but many times they don't leak at all, sometimes they leak pretty bad! It's hard to say exactly why and why not, sometimes, but a few factors can contribute:

    Having a very thin product, like terpy distillates, (or not like thick PEG/rosin) will encourage bottom leaking more. So will over-filling the tank, and also, leaving the tank to sit, filled, for a long period will tempt the oil to seep out the bottom. If you guys kill a fill on the trinity in a night or two, that doesn't leave much time for the oil to go where it doesn't belong :science: but then you have guys like me who fill several tanks and piff on many of them for weeks before refilling :spliff:

    I haven't really cut-open a top-air tank to fully understand 100% how the airflow routing goes, or have enough knowledge to design a good top-air flow schematic for a tank. I'm sure there can be many ways to implement this. But I can say that ever since I ditched bottom-air tanks and coils for top-air flow tanks like the cubis, I haven't had a single leak at all, over many many grams and tanks :bowdown:while my old bottom-air tanks would almost always leak out on me, given a few weeks. Not allowing a big hole at the bottom for gravity to suck oil down into can greatly solve leakage problems, if not eliminate them!

    I have not used these 2 little tanks pictured here, but I have shown these pics a few times to illustrate how some pen-style vapes are incorporating top + adjustable air. I'd like to see more tanks do this.

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    :D Ha, no worries, you were being somewhat on topic, since you posted about filling the trinity tank with a terpene / BHO mix, and then I just pulled us way far out into tank-talk.

    And no shame in over-indulgence...let us be gluttons for innovative, high-performing tanks and RDAs! Store-bought or hand-crafted. :cool:
     
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    @Vape Donkey 650 I have two tanks that where filled last October and still have yet to leak if that's any indication of how good it is and i take a hit off them once in a while to get the oils moving, Tastes still great. Ya i know right? I have not had reported leaked carts that was not user error that caused the leak. I'm sure it will happen as Murphy and his Law are right there when you don't need them but i can say for sure that all the thanks i use and have used have not leaked on me even after months of use.


    If you know me and what i do then you will give these a try and if you follow directions then you should not have issues.
     
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  19. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    You probably keep oils and mixes thick.... and lay the pen on it's side (not standing up) when not in use, to have them not leak on you?

    (short post!)
     
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    nope.

    Always standing up and always at 90 degrees. I used blue river oils that we used a pipette to fill. Must be thin to do that.

    Also tested with Ejuice for 2-4 weeks at time to see if the Trinity leaked many times.

    Just saying we are not your normal Vaporizer Company. We know what we are doing.
     
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    Is it true?

    The Hercule give you so thick and tasty hits you don't need a very large airflow and , all in all, the airflow is not too bad if you don't load too much and give it some time(1 or 2s) to liquefy the oil to open the airflow. Cool down hits are not a deal breaker, for me a goood 6-7s cool down hit is enough. I use mainly shatter (homemade).

    Give it a try!
     
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    @Vape Donkey 650 just for fun i loaded up a trinity tank with ejuice.

    Time original fill was at 11:36 pm PST as you can see on the microwave.

    Click to play YouTube Video




    I checked it 5 min ago its about 3 hours since filling and no leaks yet. Now time is 2:46 am PST.
     
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    I would strongly suggest discontinuing use of True Terpenes for vaporizing and inhalation. I've had some recent experiences and talked with several True Terpenes customers and users over the last few weeks, and cant say that any of the long term effects have been positive. Paint thinner and turpentine are not what you should be smelling, dabbing or vaping. Cannabis derived terpenes are far, far less caustic and attacking on your throat and lungs than isolated single terpenes derived from ? I have tried many different types of terpenes and lots of good cannabis terpenes such as steam distilled, co2 fractionally separated, and wouldn't hesitate to mix any of those proper cannabis terpene isolates with less terpene rich extracts, and load them into a cartridge- trinity terps, Gemstone extracts,Cascadia Gardens terps from WA state, Eagle Trees steam distilled terps- all tasty and pleasant. However in my experience, for connoisseurs seeking a true capture of a cannabis terpene profile, the only ones that are truly 'excellent' with many flavor notes and layers to the flavor are Blue River terpenes.
     
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    Do you ever had contact to Cali Terpenes from Barcelona/ Spain?
    They offer a huge range of interesting tastes like GorillaGlue, JamaicanDream and GipsyHaze and i think it's the only european company that offers natural terpenes (not cannabis derived terpenes) to use for liquifying concentrates/ rosin.
    I want to make some tasty and potend liquid for my evic VTwo and i realley hope that this stuff will work and taste
     
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    No I have not, if they are blending naturally sourced terpenes that's pretty much admitting they're not cannabis derived. What are the "non natural" terpenes as opposed to the "natural, but not cannabis derived" terpenes that you are referring to?

    I do not suggest using blended, non-cannabis derived terpenes. FYI all terpenes, even industrially sourced d-limonene are "natural" terpenes that have been isolated. Blending together bulk industrial terps is exactly what I am suggesting to stay away from for the purposes of mixing oils and concentrates for vaporization. As you can imagine, the production line and acceptable techniques and methods used for the production of industrial cleaners are far and away less stringent than those used for the perfume industry, and for a product that will end up being vaporized/inhaled/eaten, a new level of care and technique is required.
     

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