Hurry up Ed!!! But on the topic of water vs no water, I agree it's not for everyone & that you can definitely get bigger clouds going through a WT, but it's something cool to throw in the mix for sure. I'm not saying I'll be using the Sup dry all the time, but more than I was before for sure. @biohacker Cool piece! I just ordered a 14mm showerhead perc ash catcher from DHG. Gonna hook it up w/ my 14mm j-hook. If I end up digging this setup, I'm toying with the idea of getting a dope ass j-hook from Oregon Glass Blower & a couple different ash catchers w/ different percs for when I wanna go through water. We'll see!