Hey marcuss I think you have taken my comments about the extreme a bit to heart .This sort of thing is all about personal taste I think . I 've read the threads about the extreme & temp & agree that the temp shown is not the temp going through the herb. I'm an asthmatic so maybe that has something to do with my preference. The extreme can sometimes irritate my lungs more than the svz or the herborizer. Look as I said I think the extreme is a great vape particularly if you have friends around the bags are just so convenient ! I have read most of your posts & your definitely a big fan of the extreme & I agree with you it is a top notch device. I'm just giving you my opinion on all the models I own.