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Sublimator XLR

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by PlanetVape, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. Doktor Dub

    Doktor Dub Well-Known Member

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    Now i want a Sublimator in my life... there has to be a point, as much as it gets criticized, no one questions that it hits hard(est)... that would be a good marketing speech for sure :-)

    and also a (digi) TI.... my wallet hates FC :-) - you are good sales persons too...

    ...This! Would love to try this out! Perhaps a narrow(er) Bowl would be enough, still possible to preheat with the FP.
    Vapor Path and Open Airflow vs. restriction is a very interesting point with Vapes in my opinion / experience. I think the often used "as open as possible" paradigm is not the last word on that matter. The FP is already on the right track with the Carb Cap.

    Back to the sub: I really hope it comes back and gets widely available, even if its not for everybody. It marks one extreme of the Vaporizer universe which is reason enough.

    Have a great day! :peace:
     
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  2. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    @Doktor Dub, if you are interested, I mean to remember VDNM is loaning a Sub for a rental fee (50€ per weekend?) + deposit that gets in the account to the selling price if you buy one. At least they already did so 2y ago and offered that option to me.
    I know for sure they have Subs in stock, at least I saw them last week in their shop.
     
  3. Elemen0py

    Elemen0py Well-Known Member

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    Is that verdampftnochmal.de? I've been checking in on them for a while and it's been saying that they're out of stock or not available. Maybe they're holding their stock for EU sales?
     
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  4. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Yep, Verdampftnochmal.de in Berlin. At least they have some Sub setups in their showroom. And most of the parts are separately available. Maybe they can build a whole adapt-a-? kit out of them?
    If you are interested, just ask them for possibilities.Perhaps they sell you one of their exhibits. Ask for it.
    And no, first come first serve. For sure no privileging of German/EU customers.
     
  5. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    I am VASing about a Sublimator since a while.
    I am already sold about the system and I am debating which options to get.
    I have tried a Sub once at a Cannabis expo. If I got it right after every hit this device piles up some residue that’s basically Cannabis concentrate. Is it true? Is it true for all the models?
    Do you get more residue with a specific heater? I would use such resin in the Sub as I don’t have a proper nail. That would be my only concentrate. Would I better get an Apollo or Dabmaster? I’d say Apollo since what I vape is usually weed and the sublimate would be my only concentrate.
    I'd go with the acrylic tube not to be sorry for breaking glass. Vapecritic says there's a lot of draw resistance, so I'm not sure. Is it true about the draw restriction with the tube/whip kit? I didn't get what sort of connection there is from the base to the top where the glass/acrylic tube is.
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    The more I read the thread, the more I think the best route (if ever), is to get an adapt a kit. What I thought to be shatter-like is some hi-cbd that gunks up the base.
    Seems to me that the tube system is not a core part of the Sublimator experience. So I can skip on that part.
     
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  6. juxt

    juxt Well-Known Member

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    Let me start by saying I have 2 of these, I can't tell models they are because you have to be a genius or a maniac to be able to tell right now. When the put together a business plan and model and store I'll buy a digital one, but if they do that before I die is the question.

    That being said, any sufficiently powerful heavy hitter, I'll list some please don't flame me, GS (love it), FP (king of some hill), Evo, and even some portables leave an extracted oil that is some percentage of cannabinoids, IMO they seem to be more 'red' and in my book CBN but I haven't tested them. They do knock me out, from any of the vapes I mentioned.
     
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  7. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Don't forget the Herborizer Ti!
     
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  8. Pinehurst

    Pinehurst New Member

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    I wouldn't ever concider this based on the video alone. I could make it longer than 20 seconds without being so annoyed at the guy I couldn't watch anymore.
     
  9. christohari

    christohari Well-Known Member

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    I was perusing through this thread after someone revived it and I noticed people were interested in a comparison to the VRod and the Sublimator (I have 2.0). I have some notes that are a little bit hard to hear if you love your water pipe (8-9 headies) as I do. Not all is lost - there is a special Easter egg many people have probably not been using.

    Setup: A) 6-hole perc w/ drop down - normally I use 2-hole but that piece is too small for either of these devices.
    B) 3" Sub apparatus w/ Apollo + nail heaters. With and w/out 45mm perc bubbler
    C) VRod + 3" Sub apparatus
    -carb caps with all
    I used flower & oil separately as well as combos (double deckers?)

    Ok, here is my honest assessment. I love everything about the water pipe; the way it looks, functions, cools vapor. That being said, the Sub apparatus w/out water filtration of any kind seems to be the most potent and overall enjoyable experience. I used far less material and it just seems to go deeper into the lungs. I've often suspected that the molecules become a little bit more compressed once they go through the water and I get a similar experience with water filtration on either device (of course, this is all subjective). The determining factor seems to be finding a way to cool the vapor without water.

    GOOD NEWS: I hate how long the Sub device takes to warm up. So I popped the VRod on my Sub apparatus' and it worked perfectly. I have all the variations that NewVape offers, dish types, a digital heater of course, and best of all I can just keep my fast heating VRod in at all times and just switch in the pipe I would like to use. Now all NewVape has to do is make a sapphire dish and I'll really be rockin'.

    So there it is folks, hopefully, many of you can find the tip useful. Any of you with some Sub apparatus and VRod can chime in as well. Particularly, on the bit about using water filtration; really try to be discerning. Go forth and vape wiser.

    TL:DR - Sublimator apparatus' w/out water filtration seems to work the best especially if you find a way to cool the vapor. However, both heaters seem to be very capable of delivering a similar experince but the VRod is just so much more versatile.
    VRod heater/combo + Sublimator piping + NO water = :tup:
     
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  10. Sick Vape

    Sick Vape Solar Dabs

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    Not owning a FP ,nor a Sublimator, I still like the tip. Is the vapour substantially warmer than with another device?
    The expansion after the "atomiser" should cool it according to physics. But no idea how much in this case.
     
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  11. christohari

    christohari Well-Known Member

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    You're absolutely right, the vapor definitely cools down quite a bit although you do have to have some big lungs to finish a hit on the sub. The vapor seems to envelop the surface area of my tongue as well as reach way down deep in my lungs, leaves me coughing just a bit, particularly with flower. After you see the ABV it should be the perfect color though.

    I also have that coldwall and even the kryo tube but again, ya need big boy lungs for those. They do work to cool the vapor even further but I actually prefer the simple 3in glass tube. Does an absolutely amazing job still and is less crazy looking if you are trying to keep it more low-key.
     
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  12. thekayo

    thekayo Well-Known Member

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    I do not understand how anyone would support this company after this service I am seeing. Its been months according to this forum that the creators are not getting in touch with there clients. I also do not understand the whole heavy hitting thing. You can fit more oil and vape it more efficiently with the flowerpot so does it then not hit harder? the sic dish plus carb cap adds a lot. Plus when you are vaping pure flower if you turn it up past 725f it may just light the whole bowl on fire. I know that's not what you want but that's pretty heavy. your goal of course is to be just below that spot for biggest hits and thats very easy to do with the fp. You could buy 2 flowerpots for the price of one sub as well? seems like a no brainer..
     
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  13. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    Seems that Sub gets you wasted with just 0.1g of flower, in one hit. That's the thing. I read the concept could be easily replicated but nobody tried still. It is also getting harder to get a Sub. Yes I would think a bit before spending 700+ on a complete set, but every time I do so, I end up not satisfing my Vas for a specific vaporizer and buying 2 vapes instead of one in the end. So imho if you like to try sublimation is better to get a Sublimator, if you want to try flowerpotting err double decking is better to get a Flowerpot! ;)
     
  14. thekayo

    thekayo Well-Known Member

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    How could it get you more wasted? I was talking to the owner of sub and he seemed very upset that other vapes are using his idea he told me. He said everyone is copying him. But also according to him this is the only vape with biogasification or whatever. If the sub is the only vape with this technology then why is he claiming other vapes are stealing his patent? Something seems weird and the way the company is run leaves me with questions.
     
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  15. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    I'm with you about the company, but I started to care less about companies health or behavior. There's no other company producing it and I consider the company as dead. Sub is vintage market. This is still the one and only vape to perform so, a huge vacuum rip wit just 0.1g of weed.
     
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  16. Azn2101

    Azn2101 Well-Known Member

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    The Apollo2/2.5 50w are surprisingly great Microdosing units with another extremely unique platform, albeit semi-portable but are also designed to toast anywhere from >.1-.5 (only manned up to take a .3ish and that was a interesting little time before passing out.) In preferably 1 inhale or else your chances of combustion increases like 3x fold.

    With the addition of the "vapor cooler", small amounts get sucked up to the screen so essentially your getting a pure halogen convention hit, and that's with .1, add half a point more and move the cooler back out of the chamber (mostly) and it creates a vortex like effect similar to ELB's but still toasts everything. I have no preference to either side of the convo just pointing that out =)
     
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  17. Poostuff

    Poostuff Well-Known Member

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    I don’t know what’s up with these guys. I guess we can safely say they’re out of business now.

    RIP another great one in the already dwindling market of plug in vaporizers.
     
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  18. jardri

    jardri Vapor Dreams

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    I tried a Sublimator and a Showerhead head to head. If you preheat the bowl and the cap of the Flowerpot, use the 14 mm post, use the carb cap (I used the og SS Showercap) and inhale fast enough there is no difference in performance i could appreciate. Effects were the same with the herbs totally spent and both did produce vapor instantaneously. We set temperatures manually to get the best results out of each one individually so they both had different temperature settings. If any of you thinks one unit should outperform the other one and has a suggestion i will go and try it in my friends house for the sake of science hehe
     
  19. CanoVet

    CanoVet Skilled professional

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    I have both units, The flowerpot vrod, and showerhead, and the sublimator v4 enail and apollo. I find the sublimator does more than the flowerpot on performnce and effects. The sublimator actually takes the vapor thats extracted and passes that vapor through a mass of metal thats super hot and vaporizes the vapor essentially. This cannot be done by just heating up herb chamber for flowerpot.

    Theres a spot in the atomizer that vaporizes then another spot below that reheats the vapor. Fractioning weed, then vapor
     
  20. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    good to know. It seems like it'd do the trick should I ever lose the ability to sub, and the FP is even a bit more versatile with low temps and glass bowls on offer. fun stuff.

    It's not from every hit, but it accumulates very quickly.
    I recently cleaned my gear, and last night I simmered the glass carb adapter used with the sub in a saucepan with milk, after scraping a good amount of dabs out too. I should get some picks when I build up some more with the now fresh set up.

    It's so satisfying as it just droops and oozes out oil.

    I guess I've been vaping heavily these past weeks, so the sub has been getting a decent workout.
    It really does produce an amazing amount of very usable reclaim. Sublimate has allowed me to intorduce people to dabs, and to enjoy quality dabs myself. I don't have access or easy means to get good oil, so how the sublimator produces it on tap is one extremely lovely feature.

    Pretty much this. The difference I've always assumed between FP and Sub would be like using the Sub before it's taken the 20 mins to properly heat soak. You get some nice convection hits that leave a little to desire before 20 mins, it's like using an ordinary vape, albeit a really good one.

    The instant dense white clouds only come when the whole contraption is in thermal equilibrium.
    So as such, it's not so much re-vaping the vapour, it is just forcing the reaction over a greater space and time frame whilst controlling the local pressure and flow velocity as well as generating hot air vortices. Sublimate is a fractional distillate and the reason it forms at such a rate/quantity is because of the dynamics of the reaction. No other vape has a herb chamber mid heater and all this means is the rate of reaction is genuinely instantaneous once properly pre-heated.
    The Sublimator is beyond vaporisation, yeah you can get amazing hits with many wonderful heater devices, but the Sub is scientific apparatus for extraction, and it does it perfectly.

    Beyond just having the herb placed within two large masses at target temps, the Sub utilises all the fluid dynamic tricks to optimise extraction.

    "The Bernoulli effect occurs in a Venturi shaped duct shaped to maintain attached flow. Heat-transfer efficiency is improved by restriction of the heat transfer to a small portion of the Venturi in which the flow temperature, velocity, pressure gradient and the Nusselt effect enhance heat transfer."

    Many vapes emulate the theories the Sublimator has mastered. But nothing is better.

    It's a pity the state the company is in, but at least there are some decent alternatives out there.

    I very much appreciate the sub, but for the most part the FlowerPot shouldn't be so discernably dissimilar.
     
    Last edited: May 15, 2019
  21. Jokle

    Jokle New Member

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    Hi my Sublimator stopped working recently. the monkey controller XLR 2.0 stopped turning on thought it was the fuse turns out its not. the power supply green light flashes on and off not sure if its supposed to stay solid if anyone could help me figure out what it might be would be much appreciated
     
  22. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    What does the SMD DC barrel power jack look like? Is it still soldered or hast it formed a dry joint or disconnected?
     
  23. Jokle

    Jokle New Member

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    it is soldered and when its plugged into the power box it makes a low beeping sounds that matches the blinking green light on the power box
     
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  24. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Can you take a pic of the solder joints?

    This is a common failure with the monkey controller.

    I ended up shorting the board by not fixing it. If you're getting variable power I'd suggest a dry joint might have formed and at this stage the PCB should be fully recoverable. I blew up a chip and had to replace it

    Edit: just realised you said green LED on the PSU, not the Monkey Controller.

    It sounds like the PSU is dead. I know there should be floating stock available, they trade through some nutrition supply chain.
    Email the warranty department and they should be able to sort you out.

    Otherwise you should be able to replace it with a third party solution, just match the output.

    There could be some in stock at a reseller too
    https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/Sublimator-Power-Supply
    http://www.planetvape.ca/sublimator-launch-controller-power-supply.html
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2019
  25. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Now I'm home, I can verify my Sub PSU has its green LED glowing solid. This occurs whenever it is plugged in to mains, even with the Monkey Controller disconnected.
    How old is the PSU? It's not uncommon for something like that to eventually die.
     

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