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Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by chris 71, Aug 6, 2017.

  1. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    i can relate to alot of what you have wrote emmdeemo it really is a shitty disease with a shitty name to go along with it . im finding too that i seem to have learned more about the disease and how and what it effects are then then edo docs i have seen .
     
  2. ichibaneye

    ichibaneye Vapriot, Traveler & Vaporizer/ing lover!

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    @emmdeemo :) Stress, at least the stress that people are always referring to or blaming things on in this particular case is not a natural occurring one.

    It is man-made it can also be man- unmade. ;) :tup: This stress was created by design from the likes of the people I've mentioned before in my last post here. Most things in life are not by coincidence.

    It's great that you're feeling like you again. The way things naturally should be ;) Cheers!
     
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  3. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    If you can, keep looking if u dont find a doctor you like, if thats possible. My first was great but he retired not long after I started seeing him. The following two doctors were awful, but by the time I was prepared to do something about it, remission started.

    I personally put the remission down to ABV in my food on a regular basis, but thats completely and utterly anecdotal, and could easily be coincidence.

    I'm expecting the damn thing to come back at some point, but I'm at least more prepared for it now.

    @ichibaneye Philosophically speaking, the word 'natural' has very little meaning at this stage of our development.
     
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  4. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    If you're going to start conspiracies about drugs than let's include scientology which was shown to be putting out a lot of false data about the harmfulness of medication.
    I'm a bit tired of people in this thread who have found other strategies for health instead of medication- which is great- insisting that their reality is the only one and discounting those of us who have had different experiences with medication.
     
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  5. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    Exactly.

    Its belittling, dismissive and blame based. Not helpful.

    @chris 71 In case its remotely helpful, this was the chart I ended up buying. Ignore that its vegan based :) Its useful info whatever the cause :)

    https://www.vegansociety.com/shop/charts/vegan-nutrition-chart
     
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  6. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    Hope you guys dont think im writing off the medical and pharma industry and believing there is a huge conspiracy around it all or belittling anyone here i apreachete all your comments and i am still open to meds if i can find one that wouldnt cause so many side effects for me i personally seem to be very sensitive to them i do exceptvand know that i have to take my thyriod meds
     
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  7. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    Theres no blame here :) I just get a bit carried away with words :) The one thing I def learned from Graves is that the path to wellness needs to be tailored to the individual.

    I was lucky. I found an antidepressant that almost instantly started helping my OCD fade into a repetitive dialogue rather than this enormous BOOMING voice I couldnt ignore and was telling me what to do. I'm aware of the huge amount of side effects that are possible, and just how alarming and dangerous they can be. It wasnt a step I took lightly. I luckily got one that worked for me first try. The side effects were fucking horrendous but thankfully have reduced to almost none at all now. Its taken about three years to get there tho.

    And the OCD still isnt as loud, for that I'm thankful.
     
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  8. SamuraiSam

    SamuraiSam Well-Known Member

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    I have nothing but sympathy for those who truly suffer from mental issues serious enough to require medication. I am well aware they exist; I have met many of them, been in treatment with many of them, been in group therapy, and kept locked up in 72 hour Baker act, short term psychiatric care facilities. Major depressive disorder is a wholly debilitating disease, and there were fantastic treatment and remedies for it in decades past, before modern antidepressant drugs were available.

    What I do not want to gloss over is the fact that today anti-depressants and anti-psychotics are prescribed more than ever, in an effort to increase the profitability of the companies who make them. Not all people who are prescribed mind-altering drugs actually need to take them. The same pills that can very truly help people whose minds have developed a fault, can cause faults to people whose minds need space to heal.

    https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/11/percentage-of-americans-on-antidepressants-nearly-doubles/ Fact; anti depressants are just like Ritalin and other modern "ADD and ADHD" amphetamine treatments. And in many cases the same treatments; expenditure of energy, exercise, and proper fuel to feed a body in deficit of such exercise, has been clinically proven to positively change neurotransmitter function. We as a society are spending more time sitting at desks and sitting in cars and sitting on couches consuming media than our bodies evolved. Mind/body health is a balance and one cannot misuse one and expect the other to flourish.
     
  9. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    Yes, but its not specific to the original posters question, at all.
     
  10. little maggie

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    I'm curious what the fantastic treatments were before antidepressants were available. I don't disagree with what you are saying at all. There are lots of techniques that don't involve any drugs that are helpful for mental health issues. Someone posted a good one in the bp thread and there's lots of research on mindfulness and depression. But, at the risk of being a broken record, there are a lot of people for whom those don't work and also a lot of people for whom diet, exercise etc is recommended who would rather take a pill. Or the prescription is not a good fit. I had a friend who took a baby prozac every 3 days and it worked much better than a regular dose.

    I come from the era before primary doctors could prescribe antidepressants (which accounts for the spread of meds) and was going to a very good therapist. I'd bring up antidepressants and he'd say that he thought that medication would get in the way of healing. Finally after months I told him I was miserable and going to do it anyway. So he referred me to a psychiatrist. I had bad experiences on SSRI's which were somewhat new. But I'm not terribly compliant so I stopped as soon as the side effects started instead of trying to continue to see if they went away. Eventually I was put on my current med which is not an SSRI and, as I've said, I take a subclinical dose. If I take a regular dose or the extended release I feel bad so I don't. Placebo or not it works for me. And my therapist eventually told me that he was wrong and that the medication helped my therapy instead of hindering it.
     
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  11. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    I just checked @chris 71 , youre on a different medication to the thyroid meds I was on. Wanted to see if we were on the same drug but with different names. Oh well.

    Another thing the docs didnt tell me, as they probably dont know...

    Once my thyroid levels, T counts etc had gotten back to within standard levels, it was a year or more before my behaviour fell back into line. Its only this year really that I've way more in control of my emotional responses. I guess during the ten years where the Graves was getting worse and my emotional control was getting lost, neural pathways had been made and habits formed that took a while to undo.

    Its great that you're exploring CBT, should very much help to line up how you want to behave vs how the graves might make you behave one the thyroid levels calm down again.

    My anxiety has drastically reduced since my whole being stopped running at severe over drive levels :)
     
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  12. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    I decided enough is enough i cant take the anxity and panic attacks and feelings anymore , im basicly disabled by it now im not living my life at all .

    i went ahead and took my first dose of escitalopram just about an hour ago i really hope i luck out and it works for me quickly and i wont have any crap side effects .

    Hopefully i will be one of the ones that get tired from it instead of hyper as im already hyper enough i think i slept for maybe thtee hours last night .

    As for the thyriod i go for more blood test sept 4th and hope im back in the green again for that .

    Its hard because the edo docs seem to think that if your levels are in the green they asume you wont be having symptoms or at least thats the impreasion they give me . but in reality it couldnt be farther from the truth , i can tell when im eurothyriod but i still have all kinds of crazy stuff going on but for me the worst is the axnity and racing heart that makes me panic . and pretty much im always feeling like on the edge of my seat
     
  13. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    Yup. That last paragraph was what was going on with me too. No sleep for days, anxiety through the roof, mind racing, heart going the speed of someone who had just run a marathon for days on end.

    I feel for ya buddy. Good luck with the meds.
     
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  14. little maggie

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    "i went ahead and took my first dose of escitalopram just about an hour ago i really hope i luck out and it works for me quickly and i wont have any crap side effects .

    Hopefully i will be one of the ones that get tired from it instead of hyper as im already hyper enough i think i slept for maybe thtee hours last night ."
    Hopefully it will work out. But if it doesn't make you sleepy make sure you take it in the morning instead of before bed. It may help anxiety even if it doesn't make you sleepy but even if it's energizing you don't want to feel that while you're trying to sleep. And if you end up with side effects, ask for a different med.
     
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  15. SamuraiSam

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    OP asked for experiences with these types of meds. I have been on several discussed here. Trazodone (least side effects of any medication I tried, but overall drowsy/slowing), Welbutrin (caused hypomania), Lexapro (went from mild depression to near suicidal, brain activity ground to a halt, unable to shave or brush teeth, exit house, engage in conversation, remember more than 2 sentences when reading anything.)

    As for ways to ward depression besides taking pills. Regular strenuous exercise that can help build an appetite for wholesome food. Also, exercise will help you get a good nights sleep, which can be difficult when depressed- "tired, but not restfully resting" being forced into a routine of exercise to start the day and wake up the body can help wake up the mind. Nutrition - eating decently. Depression and laziness due to difficulty of doing anything is real. Severe depression can make it difficult or impossible to cook and prepare food for yourself. If there's any way to find local support and encouragement - any friends or family that are willing to help you achieve any of these goals from exercise to eating properly. Therapy and or counseling, whether a group therapy, one on one with a counselor, or psychiatrist. Helping open up avenues of conversation and break down difficult walls so you can talk and engage about what you're feeling and trying to sort out. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy has been mentioned here and I'm sure is well worth it though I have not been down that road myself, therapy when I could afford it was helpful and healing. Tai Chi and Yoga: calming, strengthening, meditative, life force flowing rituals. I love Tai Chi and have not tried Yoga personally but from what I understand the aim is the same.

    Sorry for being so brief but there are a lot of aspects to a few of the things mentioned.
     
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  16. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    Then lets stick to that and not start up about companies, society at large and other such rhetoric.
     
  17. SamuraiSam

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    I dont think you make the rules about what is and isnt allowed to be discussed here. I am here to share what I've learned in my path to becoming mentally well, and that includes a host of evidence about the overprescription of pharmaceutical drugs which I have presented here. Report my post if you think it merits censuring. Otherwise, seeing as how you are not a moderator, you are welcome to "Ignore" my posts if they are offensive to you.
     
  18. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    It was a request, not dictation. Fully aware of my place within the forum, but thank you for the reminder.

    Not offended either, my point was more that continually making broad strokes about society at large, to this degree, stands a good chance of making one feel guilty for opting to take medication and prolong the time it takes to find a medication that works.

    I have no intention of reporting any one.
     
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  19. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    wooo !! i will not be taking any more of that med that is for sure . it totally made me feel like i could not even think and after a few hours i got into a argument with someone and i felt an anger and rage like i haven't felt in a long long time . and this was only after one dose i cant believe how shitty it made me feel . after just one dose i was not expecting that at all .

    i took some clonazapam and i ok now but thats it there is no way i could swallow another one of those things the trazadone didnt do anything like that to me.

    this is what i ment earlier when i said i seem to be super sensitive to all these types of mind altering meds
     
  20. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    I hope you manage to get rest etc and feel better soon! This is the problem with Graves being involved too, youre getting it from all angles. Graves definitely adds a vicious cycle of mind/body wackiness, especially seeing as theres no real distinction between the two when the thyroid kicks up a gear.
     
  21. little maggie

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    I'm not suggesting at all that you try taking it again. The meds you have taken that have been ok are not antidepressants. Technically trazedone is but it's prescribed at much lower doses for anxiety or sleep. I guarantee you'd have side effects if it was prescribed as an antidepressant. I tried it for sleep at some point but it had the opposite effect on me.
    Anyway, if you do try a different antidepressant, given how sensitive you are you might ignore the instructions and take a much smaller dose. They used to start people on a very small dose of SSRI's and then gradually increase. But now it seems like they start at a much higher dose and then increase from there. I tried prozac years ago and was kind of ok until the second week when it increased to a larger but still small amount. I've stayed away from SSRI's since then. Years ago I had a psychiatrist who encouraged me to figure out what dosage worked for me but he never prescribed a very high dose so taking too much wasn't an issue.
     
  22. EverythingsHazy

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    I don't know if your disease/issues are causing negative effects, but I wouldn't doubt the possibility of you experiencing placebo effects caused by reading all of the SSRI bashing on here and other places.

    Noticing such strong SSRI effects so quickly is, by no means, the norm.
     
  23. chris 71

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    have your tried any of these drugs your self ? are you a pharmacist or doctor of some sort ?

    how do you come up with the idea that these effect are placebo and not the norm ? what experience do you have with any of them ? please share if you do . so far the people sharing there views weather good or bad on theses drugs seem to have had some experience with them .

    i went to the drug store last night and talked to the pharmacist and told him what happened . that i experienced some serious anger and agitation a few hours after taking it that i would call rage . and that i also felt overall like crap . he told me its normal lol and that it would go away after a few weeks .

    he also told me to expect to feel nauseous , and possibility of increased anxiety as well . as a bunch of other things .
    told me i would need to make sure i had enough clonazapam to get through these first few weeks .i have worked real hard to almost have my self off of those ones . now if i want to take the ssri im told i will likely need to keep taking those for a while.

    i also now have some wicked stomach issues as well . really have you been on any of this stuff yourself ? for you too speak as much for them as the bashers here speak against them ?
     
  24. little maggie

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    I wouldn't think you are still having effects from 1 dose now. And as I think I said they tell people it will take a few weeks for the side effects to go away but not everyone gets those side effects. Or is even prescribed clonazapam to accompany starting a med. If they did fewer people would take them. And your symptoms - like the irritability are scary. If you are going to continue taking you might see if a smaller starting dose minimizes side effects. Or change until you find one with minimal side effects. Side effects are very individual and one antidepressant can cause someone serious effects while another can not even have side effects.
     
  25. chris 71

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    im feeling a little better now thank god , but i wasn't for the first half of the day today . im not making this shit up either . i will not be able to put myself through the initial loading faze that it takes to get on this type of med . and if you read about it and ask , this is not uncommon at all . in fact it is pretty much the norm .

    i found something that seems to give a pretty good explanation as to why this is , as in why SSRI 's commonly make people feel like shit when starting . and probably why they can cause increased depression and suicidal thought and increased anxiety , and the sickness feeling . and all that ARE VERY COMMON . i talked to 2 pharmacist now and both told me the same thing .

    here is a link to what i think is a pretty good explanation as to what is going on possibly has to do with autoreceptors . although nobody really know for sure . as other posters have said here . they have ideas as to why they may work but seems they dont really know exactly . but here is a link to what i think kinda might make sense its summed up in the first post in this thread . apparently there are other ideas too

    http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=88523

    if anyone eles knows or finds anything please share but as i said it appears that real shitty side effect are pretty common initially and not placebo
     

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