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"Spice" not as safe as assumed

Discussion in 'Vaporizables' started by sneezyjesus, Apr 28, 2010.

  1. sneezyjesus

    sneezyjesus Lightly Toasted

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  2. toxicc

    toxicc E11001420

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    Plastic substance has been detected in spice years ago.
  3. VapeXhaleCloudIsLEGENDARY

    VapeXhaleCloudIsLEGENDARY Active Member

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    I remember back in High School that spice gold was the buzz, I didn't smoke weed or the fake stuff. Makes me glad now though...
  4. aesthyrian

    aesthyrian Blaaaaah

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    I don't get this shit. It seems to cost just as much as real herb.. so why not just buy real weed? And beyond that, do people really need to chase some sort of high so bad that they will buy synthetic substitutions? That's the real scary part.
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  5. Elluzion

    Elluzion Vapeosaurus Rex

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    Obviously people would normally prefer herb, but due to drug testing increases in the workplace things are changing. Kids are more likely to buy spice since it can't be detected on a drug test. Unfortunately it is more dangerous than the herb and who knows what future health problems it could cause.. Kind of sad this shit is even legal and people buy it
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  6. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Isn't prohibition fun boys and girls?

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  7. Nebu

    Nebu Post-Apocalyptic Renaissance Man

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  8. Longbones

    Longbones Active Member

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    Never wanted to try this even when I didn't know about the health effects. Friends tried to convince me and I looked at them like they'd sprouted horns.

    My feelings on "spice": What the fuck?
  9. max

    max This space available Staff Member

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    Spice/K2 is man made and applied. Man can fuck up big time, as we've seen a million times. The synthetic stuff is a full agonist to receptors while mj is a partial agonist. So negative effects, the kind you get from partaking too much, too quickly, are stronger with synthetics. This stuff just helps to give cannabis a bad name, IMO.
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  10. my name is erl

    my name is erl I know where your mama parks your house!

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    its all about passing drug tests,that's what 90% of their users want. oh, and the price in jail for this shit is CRAZY!
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  11. golantravize

    golantravize professional metaphysician

    I tried it a few times out of morbid curiosity before I had seen any evidence to support it was harmful. It's apparently quite a strong high if you have low tolerance to marijuana. Extreme time dilation effects and occasionally hallucinations. Weed is much preferable though and much less dangerous.
  12. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Well Here is how it is done :). You get some cheap ass stuff off alibaba or silkroad.. or smth.. preferably on crystals.. There 1000s of varieties.. of things than can be vaporized or smoked... trust me.. Most common for the spice blends is the JWH-family and the AMT-family.. Even DMT-family Crystals get dissolved in acetone or alcohol and sprayed or soaked on he herb then dried.. and there is the "bomb" :p.. Some of those stuff are really bad some are harmless even though very effective.. there are many deathtraps.. cuz the dosages are in miligrams.. so it not hard for unproffessional to screw and cause O.D to some guy :). even a crap scale can hurt you .. Also there oftern mixed together.. and it is not hard to create a death combo without knowing.. For example if you got your serotonin levels elevated.. which is common with that stuff (even diary products and sugar can elevate it,so it would be stupid to boost it to toxic levels cuz of your diet.. ).. especially if there is some other subtance acting as MAOI/antidepressant.. or smth else that slows the metabolism of serotonin...
    If you wanna know more about that stuff and particular brands and batches i suggest you search bluelight.ru which is an awesome source with guys who know no fear.. There many experiences of uses both longterm and short term.. I had read even about a guy that got jwh-crystals and he tried them all possible ways.. even IV.. :puke:..
    You cant generalize it under concrete - "synthetic weed".. or even one particular substance.. or effects :)..
    The safety is dependent on the substances used and the cleansing (evaporation of the solvents) ,but what should make you stay away from it .. is the total fuckin randomness.. of concentration,quality,damage,purity... etc.. too many variables.. makes it look like the national Lottery ... which means that to hit the jackpot you need to have all that variables guessed.. Well if you feel lucky like i did,or not scared to loose few brain cells to the experiment and possibly endanger your life.. try it .
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    Well not the case here.. These are totally legal.. but for weed you can spend long time in prison + year/s of salaries worth penalty .. So people are poisoning themselves with that just like with liquor,cigarettes and pharmastuff just because it is legal,not better.. Here in EU those shits are know as the "Legal High"
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  13. Xchadb

    Xchadb Meltin pipe Glass Blower

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  14. SalamiCity

    SalamiCity Well-Known Member

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    People use it to beat drug tests... A lot of people also think the high is better... The original JWH-018 was banned, and they keep redoing the formula. The dude who got me into cannabis used to smoke this white powder of it..... The maker of JWH said himself that it's not for human consumption, which is really sad for these people who do it.


    @MAX it's not that Man-made is evil, it's that they just are trying to kill us basically. Big Pharma is a joke, and all that jazz. There are tons of natural things that can kill us, same with synthetics.. Marinol and Stativex are apparently synthetic, but are exactly Cannabioids? Idk much about them, but they seem to be legit.
  15. Venomous

    Venomous Well-Known Member

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    Synthetic cannibas is scary. Why produce something man made, that can kill you at 50x the price when you can grow the real stuff. Gotta love science when it's in the wrong hands.
  16. SalamiCity

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    Apparently Sativex and Marinol are very helpful medically over in Europe.

    Growing the "real stuff" is good, but when certain cannabinoids can do certain things you want to utilize them. For example if you want HIGH CBD then you would want something that is strong in CBD. If you cannot find a strain like that then wouldn't it be nice to have a synthetic version that helped you?

    People seem to get confused that man-made somehow makes it bad or not as good, or some weird other thoughts. Water is H2O, if you produce that in a lab it's still Water no matter how you look at it....


    On another note Spice, K2, Bath Salts, etc ARE NOT SYNTHETIC CANNABIS. JWH was supposed to be a synthetic cannabinoid, but doubtful.
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  17. Venomous

    Venomous Well-Known Member

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    Well science has its boundaries. They can easily cross certain strains to make a high CBD producing plant. Synthetics have proven time and time again to be dangerous to humans.
  18. SalamiCity

    SalamiCity Well-Known Member

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    Which synthetics are you referring to? I already spoke about the 2 that are doing well thus far...
  19. Venomous

    Venomous Well-Known Member

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    Bath salts are synthetic... Synthetic marijuana, synthetic cocaine and let's not forget good synthetics such as OxyContin.... Even synthetic foods have side affects. Sure, some synthetics can be ok for human consumption,mbut many are not. Look at what's approved to be added in foods around the world compared to what the US FDA allows... It's all abut the $$$ and the gov gets plenty of kickbacks.
  20. SalamiCity

    SalamiCity Well-Known Member

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    *facepalm* you are talking about synthetics that aren't made to do anything but hurt the idiots who want to use them. There are tons of natural things that can kill as well. I already spoke about synthetic cannabis that is trying to help people, but you obviously overlooked that(do you even know about either of the 2?)

    First you talk about synthetic cannabis that you obviously don't know about, then you go to this other shit.....

    Also science is limitless, it's how you use it that matters. I already said that H2O naturally made and H2O made in a lab is exactly the same, or do you want to disprove chemical makeups now?

    You also talk about crossing 2 plants to make a high cbd strain or to make a plant exactly how you want it. DO you know how many phenotypes you will get from those 2 plants, and what tiny % you will get what you want? Do you know much about the breeding process?

    You also talk about the FDA like they are any good at anything they do... Read up please.
  21. Venomous

    Venomous Well-Known Member

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    Lol whatever, you can't take a natural plant and then make a 100% harmless synthetic out of it for the good of the people. You are falling into the trap of big pharmaceutical companies trying to mimic a plant with mass production of a synthetic byproduct. Go read up on the 30 year history on FDA approvals of synthetics related to addicitives in food, then tell me this shit isn't harmless..
  22. AGBeer

    AGBeer Lost in Thought

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    I can appreciate that this is a touchy subject for some, but please take this as a reminder to keep it civil. (aka - Be Nice) :nod:
    Thankies
  23. Venomous

    Venomous Well-Known Member

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    I thought we were being harmless here...


    Anyhow, I strongly urge Salami to read up on the genetics device developed by G.E. Somewhere along the lines in scientific research, they have to utilize DNA.... It's that genetic change that causes danger... G.E. spent over a billion in their genetic corn mishap that was not to be consumed by humans, yet still got mixed with human consumption corn. At the lowest end of the spectrum, those people who digested it only walked away with an allergic reaction. On the highest end, they died.
  24. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Marinol has overdose related deaths, natural cannabis doesn't. Thats all you need to know to understand the difference. The biggest danger of the synthetics is they are being used as a tool by the anti MMJ people, like Romney. If there is ANY way they can shove a pharmaceutical on us, and make us use it instead of the plant, they will . . .
  25. Vicki

    Vicki The Bionic Woman

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    Exactly this^^!!

    "We won't allow you to use this plant, but we will let you use a derivative of that plant that only we are allowed to provide to you." How screwed up is that? I cannot believe more people do not see the irony in this. :huh: (people against cannabis)

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