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Source Orb Pen Vape

Discussion in 'E-cig Based Portables' started by poonman, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. FlimsyKnuckle

    FlimsyKnuckle Member

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    Terra's have run on ego twists for me. Now, they take longer than rods and coils to heat up. This is simple physics. The wire is covered by ceramic in a donut. An uncovered wire would just need to get hot. One coated in ceramic must then heat the ceramic first before it gets hot enough and wax vaporizes.

    So per hit, a donut takes more time and energy. You will charge your ego battery far more often with a donut.

    So... they work but they work better on bigger mods. Coil and rod attys can be more easily configured to run on the smaller batteries.

    In short, a twist will work, but you are nowhere near the potential wax pens can have until you get a better battery mod.
     
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  2. electricblues42

    electricblues42 New Member

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    Yes that is the same battery. Although if I was you I would just skip that and get a good regulated box battery like a Kanger Kbox or something similar. They are way more powerful and will get more out of the source orb 3 than the small battery you are wanting, just get a 510 to eGo adapter with it. And also if I was you I would just get the source 4 and skip the 3, unless if you are dead set on having a vape that looks like any other vape, then the source 3 slim is the best. I have a source 3 slim and I would rather have the new source 4 with the coilless buckets.

    Also, you aren't going to rebuild these atomizers. It's just not going to happen, but you can clean them a bunch. I got a pack of 5 and they've lasted me over a year with regular cleanings.
     
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  3. jshua586

    jshua586 New Member

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    That definitely makes sense, thanks!

    Good to know on the rebuilding. As for the Source 4, the coilless buckets are definitely intriguing. Do you have any experience running them on a VV eGo? I'm considering getting a better battery but just don't want to commit quite yet.
     
  4. electricblues42

    electricblues42 New Member

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    No I haven't gotten the source 4 yet. I don't think I will honestly, they're just way too expensive for me when I already have a 3. But I would love one, everything I read is good. And whatever you do, get a good battery. I'd hate to only use a small VV eGo one myself, I only use my source on my Kbox. I use it on around 20ish watts, the most you'll get out of the one you are talking about is around 12, 15 maaaybe, mine can go to 50 and past 30 will break the terra coils.
     
  5. jshua586

    jshua586 New Member

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    I've asked Source about if my setup will work. I'll report back!
     
  6. electricblues42

    electricblues42 New Member

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    Source will only say that their cheap ass battery is all you should use with their products, at least they used to say that. If it's a ecig battery it will power the source, end of story.
     
  7. jshua586

    jshua586 New Member

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    I'm just hesitant that the nail atomizer is going to work given that the resistance is 0.5-0.75 Ohms according to their info page - https://goo.gl/DZOr2V. Given the eGo Twist has a max of 3A, the numbers don't add up. But, I am also definitely a n00b so maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

    At the lowest setting, 3.2V, I'd get a draw of ~4.3A, outputting ~13.7W
     
  8. electricblues42

    electricblues42 New Member

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    Oh yea, sorry if you are getting the nail I think you do need a box mod like I was saying. For a source 3 you do not need that (though it is far better). The eGo you want will power the source 3, not the 4 with those nail atmos. All I can say for you is I have the 3 and it's great. And the 4 looks even better, but Source is a bit expensive too. There are a million ways to heat up concentrate.

    Edit: well, they sell this https://www.sourcevapes.com/collect...t-coil-less-quartz-vape-pen?variant=911829851 and that battery does not do .5ohms (I know I have it) sooooooo IDK.
     
  9. jshua586

    jshua586 New Member

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    Right!? It's confusing...

    I'm pretty heavily considering just going for a box mod and the Source 4 Orb now.
     
  10. FlimsyKnuckle

    FlimsyKnuckle Member

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    If the nail/buckets come with the stock Source twist battery, then they will work, but they are even less efficient than any other atty I have ever used, think a seven second warm up before it even thinks of producing vapor from a resting temperature. A donut heats a bucket (like a stove burner heats a pot), and that causes the wax to melt and steam (like boiling and reducing a sauce). Very nice vapor, small clouds, hard to combust, and the bucket retains a good amount of heat so once running you can pass it around and get everyone some good quick hits as long as it stays warm... but also extremely inefficient on a battery. Another atty that would greatly benefit from a box mod. Also, the buckets are extremely gravity loaded, and imagine tipping a boiling pot of soup upside down. Where would your soup go? Same place your wax will go if it is hot enough to be in a liquid state. These attys are not quite perfected yet.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2016
  11. SOURCEvapes

    SOURCEvapes #ExperienceTrueTaste Manufacturer

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    That's a new battery we designed specifically for SOURCE orb 4 vape pen and its new atomizers. It is not a regular VV battery and will not work for other liquid attachments, it's designed to handle .45 ohm and higher, but only sub-ohm atomizers.

    Yes, a regular VV will work SOURCE orb 3, but our SOURCE terra donuts range between .9ohm - 1.0ohm, which is why you hear of people's batteries not powering the SOURCE terra. The SOURCE orb 3 battery can power .8ohm, which is why we recommend ours.

    Also, if you're thinking of purchasing and pondering on the price, we'll explain why:
    • Full Stainless Steel 303 construction, including the atomizers, added to our cost (only Vape Pen built like this)
    • Full USA-tested Grade 1 Titanium coils added to our cost
    • New high-drain battery
    • New Magnetic Connection
    • New SOURCE nail atomizers are much more to produce
    And then always remember that if you use any of these coupon codes, you get 20% off :)

    TURNUP
    HIGHTIMES
    ERIG

    We've improved our SOURCE nail atomizers and the new models have been sent out with SOURCE orb 4 products. They are now mounted and have a different ring cap that is inside the atomizer rather than outside, making them more stable and less likely to break. We've also improved the heating element to pair perfectly with the new SOURCE orb 4 battery, which also means it also works perfectly now at 20w compared to 30w with our earlier models.

    We're gauging feedback from our customers on this model, and as we have since our inception, we'll listen to our customers and will always continue making improvements.
     
  12. FlimsyKnuckle

    FlimsyKnuckle Member

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    Oh, thank God!

    Those sound like fantastic improvements.

    I am quite interested in getting my hands on some.

    I have been very frustrated with your early nails, but I can totally see them usurping coils soon. Once as reliable as a coil, their only flaw will be how extremely sensitive they are to gravity when product is in a liquid form.
     
  13. lomein07

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    I have both nails: the original Source eNail in Ti, ceramic, and quartz, and the new nail design (mine's Ti) that comes with the Orb 4. Just got it yesterday so I have zero experience in using the new one, but the design certainly seems more streamlined. It's obviously updated to prevent user error in over tightening the top, as the top that holds the bowl down is now irremovable without tools.

    Without having used it, the eyeball test tells me it should be much easier and straight forward for the average/new user. I'm rather partial to the original design for ease of cleaning, but I get why Source made the change.

    EDIT: added photo taken with potato cam.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2016
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  14. FlimsyKnuckle

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    That looks far better. In the orbs it was almost impossible to screw them on without first taking off the top to be sure it didn't get screwed down in the process. If the bucket sits better too, even better.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2016
  15. SOURCEvapes

    SOURCEvapes #ExperienceTrueTaste Manufacturer

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    The buckets are still removable, we've just switched from an outer "female" ring, to an inner "male" ring for holding the bucket inside.

    To remove, simply latch onto one of the two slits (the included dabber works perfectly), and twist the ring counter-clockwise until it comes off. Opposite way to place on again.
     
  16. notoriousLrg

    notoriousLrg Well-Known Member

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    HI SOURCEvapes !
    Are all of the atomizers that come with the new ORB4 TC compatible? And how bout your other new atomizers (like the other nails & the terra2) - TC compatible? All of your atomizers seems to be Ti based so I assume the answer is yes, but I know its probably not as simple as that.
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2016
  17. SOURCEvapes

    SOURCEvapes #ExperienceTrueTaste Manufacturer

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    Yes, all SOURCE orb 4, SOURCE orb XL, and SOURCE nail atomizers are Temp Control compatible.
     
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  18. FlimsyKnuckle

    FlimsyKnuckle Member

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    I believe the coiled attys run in titanium mode or within certain TCR parameters, while the nails and Terra's are Nickle coated in ceramic. I may be wrong there. Also, don't expect to get perfect temp readings if a donut and nail have to be heated by a wire, that is a bit art and a bit science.
     
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  19. lomein07

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    Initial use of the Orb 4: I never want to use a screw-threaded mouthpiece ever again! The Orb 4's magnetic attachment system is the biggest leap in vape pen ease of use since...forever. Frequent small reloads are much more hassle free.

    A slight amount of finger pressure will disconnect the top of the mouthpiece. For usage, the force required to overcome the magnet is near perfect. I've accidentally pushed it off a couple times with my mouth when vaping. In a bag or a pocket it may be an issue. Still, for most users as soon as they've tried it I bet they'll love it.

    I know Source isn't the originator of this magnetic design on vapes, but ALL vapes should be switching to this going forward.
     
  20. SOURCEvapes

    SOURCEvapes #ExperienceTrueTaste Manufacturer

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    We've heard our customer's feedback, and will upgrade our Magnetic Lock to be much stronger.

    And of course, like always, we'll be taking care of our customers with free upgrades.
     
  21. notoriousLrg

    notoriousLrg Well-Known Member

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    SOURCEvapes what is the difference between your SOURCE terra 2 All-Ceramic coil-less atomizer and your Source Nail ceramic?

    And what is the configuration of your Source Nail combo?

    Might you have any pics? BTW so nice to have so many innovative atty options.
     
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2016
  22. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    @SOURCEvapes I am a pre-order owner of the source nail. I was told I would get a gift card to upgrade the bubbler once the new line of bubblers are out. It's been a few months and i haven't heard anything. Did I miss out or is this still in the progress
     
  23. notoriousLrg

    notoriousLrg Well-Known Member

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    what a bonus. I just got my new enail direct from sourcevapes. It came with the original hand screw on top on all 3 of the enail atomizers, as opposed to the new top posted by lomein07. I was conscious of not screwing down too tight but still managed to crack the ceramic heating element on one and chip the heating ceramic on another. Don't know if that was related to overtightening - but I can say the ceramic heating element below the enail buckets is very thin - literally .5 mm. AFAI am concerned, very poor design.

    And the globe that came with the enail was a very tight fit on its attachment, even with wetting the orings a bit, so I stopped when I got past the first o-ring. It still fractured when it got hot. I was running at 600 TC. Sourcevapes customer service has sent me a new globe but made it clear its my issue and that they wont be offering any further replacements, and directed me to their help faqs when I asked what the temp should be for the globe. Their assistance here at this forum seems to be very selective, so I am not holding my breath for their response. Can anyone here let me know their temp ranges for their sourcevapes globe w enail attys - same as with the bubbler?

    I think Sourcevapes also need to provide for an easier way to get their attachments (globe and enail) off the glass. Maybe have a wider knurled bottom section so that you can get grip while working it off the glass. Leaving it on my mod while trying to get the glass off sucks b/c my center pin is floating and it moves around alittle and I don't want to damage it, so I have to push the atty down with my thumb on top of the atty while off my mod. Come to think of it, maybe that is why the ceramic element cracked.

    I seem to have had the same experience that Mat Lee from stuffstonerslike.com has had in all of his reviews - fractured bubbler and globe, and all 3 attys broken. Disappointed to say the least.
     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2016
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  24. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    This was the reply I got last time I asked
     
  25. lomein07

    lomein07 Member

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    Just an FYI to watch out for: my Orb 4 magnet on the bottom piece came out. I assume it was glued in but I'm not certain.

    I was having quite a long, low temp session with it, taking smooth 10 second draws every ~30-50 seconds for 15 minutes. Ran it on my iStick Pico in TC-Ni mode, 20W max, 360F, resistance locked at 0.56ohms, and I was using the Ti nail atomizer. The Orb 4 felt felt quite hot to touch, but not unbearable. I had been using it in a similar fashion daily for two weeks.

    I know I've posted high praise for the functionality of magnet top vapes and that hasn't changed. Perhaps this is just a fluke one-off defect that no one else has to deal with. I'm not looking for a replacement either as Source already sent me a new one to replace a stuck airflow control ring.

    I hope everyone else is enjoying using their new Orb 4's without issue.
     

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