Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by vtac, Oct 26, 2007.
double post sorry!
Your temperature will vary depending on a lot of factors.
+The Heater Cover - Even moving this up or down will change the temp of the units output
--The biggest thing about a HC is the size of its holes, the location of the hole relative to the heater, and the openess of the top bend
+The Heaters position - The heater can be moved up or down, so changing its position will have an impact
+Your Draw speed - this can be the biggest factor - trying to dial in your unit with multiple users can be difficult
+your Wand - can have a slight effect, some have bigger opening than others
The overall volume of the vapor? How large is the piece and does it have problems standing up? I don't really get how the sherlock mouthpiece works to be honest haha, can you smoke it without it?
And I guess my next question would be I've seen very similar percolators at local headshops with more arms - I'm assuming they're for bongs, but they would work in the vape just as well, right? Which size did you order? I don't even really know what the size is for haha. I'm new to to this stuff, sorry. But I'm assuming I'd probably want the 19mm?
That's a good point, but I've got an SSV and a MFLB and no plans to get another vape in the forseeable future, pretty happy with my purchases (and pretty poor, so....you know how it goes)
I'm just mostly concerned with which unit will give me better hits through the vape - the travel beaker or the 6-arm. I would be inclined to think the travel beaker but I've seen some posts on this thread claiming the 6-arm water filter is better suited for the vape. Whatchu guys think?
Oh, and I end up using the SSV with groups pretty often and a lot of the times (despite my warnings) someone either laughs or accidentally coughs / blows into the mouthpiece, sending the herb into the inferno and ruining the vape session for at least a smile while. These water filters would make blowing into the mouthpiece less of an issue, correct? Or am I an idiot?
I am trying to picture how someone can cough right into the mouth piece unless done on purpose. How stoned must you be to forget as you are about to cough to move it
I don't use water so I can't answer you but someone will...I just had to write how amazed I was.
Yep, sadly you'd be surprised - it's happened quite a few times. usually someone makes someone laugh while they're taking a hit and they just laugh and blow the stuff straight into the ceramic heater. it burns up and smells horrible and smoke pours out of the heater cover, and you have to turn the whole unit upside down and get the ash out. It's horrifying to see happen to your unit but I doubt it does any harm...it still sucks though.
Wow I bet your boys do that on purpose as some do to make people spit there drink out. Now I know why I vape alone.
Bloodgames, you're an idiot. Maybe it is me being the idiot but i think the problem is the air going the wrong way, which would still happen with a water filter although maybe not as spectacularly which would be a shame.
In a more serious note, i think the water filter is quite a good idea but i don't see it making much of a difference in this particular subject.
It is quite easy actually.. it happened to me twice. You know when you pull that hit and you feel the tingle in your throat and you go like "i can hold this", and then... you cough, while the mouthpiece is still next to your mouth.
when you recover from the coughing fit, you realize in a second that half the bud is plastered on the element, and that awesome combustion smell just feels the air.
The other time this happened, i thought, like before, "i can hold this", and decided to take a second, quick hit, just to top the lungs capacity.. and whilst preparing for the second, you cough.
Serious things happen to those who vape.
My mouth slid off my bubbler mid hit for some reason or another and the water going back to it's normal position with my whip hooked forced some herb into the element. While it's still a possibility you should get a water tool regardless IMO water cooled vapor is soooooo much better and more fun
words to live by right there
Oh, trust me guys, I'm already sold on the idea of water cooled vapor - I've never taken a single puff of vapor that's been through anything, and I only smoke through water - I just can't decide between that damn water filter and a SSFG Travel tube.
And yeah, vorrange, I'm sure its still possible to blow your herb into the heater when it's water filtered, but I guess I was just thinking maybe the extra air in the filter itself would be enough to relieve the pressure that goes STRAIGHT from the mouthpiece to the tube, and make that whole nasty scenario a bit less likely... but I could easily be completely wrong.
I need to find the smallest water tool for my situation. I cant have anything substantially sized, so smaller the better. i dont really want a vapor tamer, but that is what it may come to. been eyeballin the the ssv water filter/perc. seems smallish. anyone chime in?
EDIT: and Happy Holidays!...I gotta go vape one
I want to try water too mendo but I am waiting for what I think might be really small and portable...the PVH2O. You can also buy that thing vito posted the other day for $3.50 to see if you like using water. I don't like the smell but when allergies are bad it may be necessary. I have used my smooth flow the last few days and although it isn't great it works.
The overall volume of the 6 arm filter and the Sherlock arm, it's a bit small for me.
With the Sherlock arm attached, the filter does have issues standing up, but I found that you can rotate the Sherlock arm a bit and it will stand fine on its own.
It would be pretty hard to use the filter without the Sherlock arm, the male joint on the filter faces downward at a 45 degree angle, and has little clearance for your face. The Sherlock arm makes it so that you have a mouthpiece at a comfortable angle and distance from the filter.
Yep, they'd be just as good, I've got an 11-arm filter that I can use in essentially the exact same manner as the SSV 6-arm.
It could get a bit more pricey trying to get a percolator, WPA, Sherlock arm (and keck clip) separately at a head shop though.
The size refers to the size of the ground glass openings in the filter.
I have a 14mm one, there's not too much of a difference function wise. If you don't have any other glass with GonG joints, then it doesn't really matter too much which size you go with.
If you do have other glass and want to use the filter as an extra perc, then you'd want to go with the size that your current glass is.
They function equally but differently IMO, its mostly a personal preference thing between those 2 I'd say...
A cough or laugh would still send at least a bit of a pressure wave back up the whip and probably end up with your lovely herb having an encounter with the heating element.
The 6 arm filter is pretty small, but its "footprint" is relatively large if you include the Sherlock arm sticking out the side.
For quick stashing away, a small beaker/straight tube would probably be stealthier,
If you will always have a minute or 2 to pack up, the 6 arm could be tucked away in more places with more ease I'd think (it can easily fit in a bedside table drawer for example)
Maybe also try looking into the aquavape.
I have questions as a Medical user who wants an SSV, and has specific needs. I really apologize for the length of the post.
How do you guys feel about the taste quality compared to an Extreme Q being used as a whip style vape? I have a Q and a Volcano, and obviously we know which is the better "Bag" Vaporizer between the 2, but I would really like a good whip that "works", tastes MUCH better, and is MUCH MUCH MUCH (did I say "much"?) cooler than regular vapor. I am sick, and trying to achieve more relief in less draws, so please read if you will.
To "VAPOR TAMER OWNERS": Just by your own opinion, how much do you feel your vapor is cooled using your tamer, and what model tamer (s) are you using? I would like to know any benefits from the cooling effect that you didnt originally expect (larger pulls, less irritation than from a room temp bag?) from it just being simply cooler. I get "vapor burn" at low heat when taking draws for some reason, and could never use a portable with current technology portables. It pretty much slowly heats my lungs like it does the herbs inside, and hurts and makes so much tension in my sternum. Somehow smoke is far less irritating when needing a pull or 2 on the go, and thats not cool at all. I hate smoking, now (unless it's Kief).
My HOPES are to get much bigger draws (tho less) than the Volcano when I need them, because I am sick, and sometimes I need a couple of really good pulls instead of bags, but as of now I have nothing but bags. For me, if I only had 1 type of vape it would be the bag, but I need to consume more Milligrams of THC per pull to help with stomach etc., which this and or and XHale should do. I just really need Opinions from all of you guys to help me with my particular...inquiry.
I would like "Ideas" of the pot head mind on how to rig a vapor tamer with as little rubber tubing as possible, perhaps putting the tamer just 12 inches from the wand so not as much rubber is being heated (taking flavor to more of a negative degree when inhaling vapor from warm rubber).
I'm relying on you guys, and have been researching wand vapes for a long time, and this (7th Floor's SSV) seems to be the one, but I just gotta cool them Vapor trails down before they hit the chest. I will be getting an XHale for my chest, but that is a different "Genre" vape, where as Im strictly looking for "Dry Vapor" that is "Cold".
Thanks in advance to anyone who took the time to help! Just because I have 2 vapes doesnt mean I dont still have a lot of learning to do!
The "Plenty" is pretty much out of the question. I of course havent found one at BestBuy to try...and I dont "think" the vapor would be cooled by the coil enough, for me. I havent tried it, but since Im specifically in search of "Cool/Cold" with zero warmth, its hard to imagine the Plenty can do it "Completely", just plenty well enough (I'd imagine).
I wont type like a robot next time, but really need a straight answer on some things, and so I asked in as much detail as I could imagine
Haha! I was about to suggest a UPS power backup for such events
I think the vape is cool because of the length of the whip, however it is still irritating with big draws to me. I only take small draws off any vape even a bag. The vaporlung is better then a bag vape in a way cause it seems like the vape is cooler. I have not used a tamer but I don't see how it can be "much" better. I am fairly sure these guys are going to say bubbler but we will see. You might want to go with oils, capsules or edibles and time it right for it to hit you. I was only able to do that when this guy made me capsules in a scientific way. I was able to time it within 15 mins. Oh I miss him.
Dreamerr is right, the longer whips helps with with some cooling... I dont know how effective vapor tamers are, but check out the aqua vape. looks interesting to say the least.
You can also use NFGB(natural famers getto bubbler) still makes me laugh but it works. You put water under your tongue and then put the head of the whip in the water and suck in. It is hard at first and I don't like doing it but tried just to see. It does work.
Dreamer Haha ya it does work. Did it kinda by accident one time and was pleasantly surprised at the smoothness. Ghetto Aqua Vape
@vaportrails I am sure someone else will chime in too with more experience. I haven't used a vapor tamer specifically but I have taken a tube style bong filled it with just ice no water and tried it that way. IME water filtered vapor was more pleasant and less irritating, the ice seemed to cause a lot of vapor condensation on my water tool making for more cleaning. I prefer to use room temp water in my tools with some diffusion. Some swear by warm water and while it does work well it's just not my thing, but its much more pleasant then it sounds.
Don't know if the taste will be drastically better then the q, but the SSV does have a cleaner air path and can provide denser vapor which may improve the taste from the higher vapor to air ratio.....
Good luck hope at least some of that helped
I couldn't help it I had to...I didn't know he was getting a car...
Now tell me warm water really...I thought the whole point was to cool the vape down. I suppose warm water will diffuse but it won't cool and to an extend it is the heat that irritates us not just the dryness.
Lmfao thanks Dreamerr, you sure know how to keep a guy on his toes
There are a couple threads detailing this topic the idea is not just cooling the vapor but adding moisture. The warm water while it obviously won't cool as well, it should add more moisture to the vapor then cold water which will help soothe irritation to the throat and particularly lungs that are sensitive to the dryness of vaping.
Sill need to fix some of the autocorrects on this iPad. Don't mind me ill just go back to vamping thru my SUV
Forgive the following stupid questions, I'm quite new to all of this.
1. When I've been vaping in a group, it seems a couple of people cause the herb to combust, so I can only conclude that this is down to their personal draw speed. Is it a slow draw speed which causes combustion? i.e Should I tell them to speed up their draw?
2. All these cooling attachments are confusing me, how many bits do I actually need If I currently just have a vanilla ssv? What's the cheapest way that I could reliably cool my vapor?
1. Yes, the faster the hit, the lower the temp gets. Either lower the temperature knob and keep the speed or keep the temp and up the speed. I, personally, find that people tend to use a confortable draw, not so fast or too slow but my friends aren't bong users so that might be it, anyway, i think it is always better to lower the temperature and start from there.
2. You can get a Tamer, which is a glass add-on with a glycerin coil that you put in the fridge and you use it to cool the hits without resorting to water. Or you can get a bong, glass is preferable because of taste. If you choose 14mm, which i think should be the most used size because 18mm is way more difficult to seal and adapt setups IMO. You dont need a whip adapter for your bong if you choose 14mm, just plug the whip inside the downstem and voilá!
Isn't ssv tubing 3/8 x 1/2? Was gonna order some from PV can't remember....
yes, thats the right size. now go buy some tubing!
Ya i need it thats for sure i am kinda OCD about organization of my tools but tools are meant to be used and mine look well broken in thats for sure i its hard to browse on planet vape they got so much stuff. I am like o ya i need a new GonG adapter, hmmm and a MFLB whip, batteries, adapters, and...... hahaha i went for whip tubing and got like 10 items already in the cart