My experience with this company was terrible as far as returns/exchanges, so now I'm stuck with two and I don't want them. The one on the left was stonemonkey's personal vape. It gets way too hot way too fast:It will glow red, unplugged, after being on low for 3 minutes. Works ok if your ocd about turning the switch on and off at exactly the right times; otherwise it will burn your stuff. I was told this is a personal/prototype unit. The one on the right is my new cloud plus that has never been used because the old ELBs don't fit it. Heats up fine. I think $375 shipped including PayPal fees will do for both together. That's a steal really. Lower 48 USA only at that price. I will take $350 picked up near the 66062 area. I have at least 4 Elbs too/they fit stonemonkeys.