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Room for another Log Vape Maker (in Aus)?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Kamikaze Viking, Sep 11, 2016.

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  1. Kamikaze Viking

    Kamikaze Viking Member

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    Hi,

    Been lurking for a while and doing a lot of reading around here.
    I'm an IT guy who's just sick of it, and trying to get something going on the side.
    Living in Australia and all the recent announcements of things slowly becoming legal soon I'm curious if there is room in the Australian market for locally made logs?

    And if so.

    Then I guess its time to start ordering heaters and build my prototype.

    Based on what i've read about the Underdog and others I think i need a Cartridge heater with the following properties (or close to it, and then I adjust my design around it)
    12V @0.6A
    20Ohm
    ~35W
    I know that the original logs used a ceramic ohmite 25j20re resistors as from this thread http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/log-vape-resistors-my-diy-log-vape.10880/
    Can anyone please confirm this for me, then I'll get started (I've already started collecting tools, stainless steel tubing, and some nice old wood.)
     
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  2. ZC

    ZC Well-Known Member

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    Don't know about the market in australia, but you got the specs right.
     
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  3. Stevenski

    Stevenski Enter the Dragon

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    The market is rather different in Oz compared to the rest of the world. Such a small population combined with high shipping costs (local & international) would make the product rather niche & I doubt there be enough demand to generate sufficient turnover to replace a salary.

    I am sure there are a few members here who would support a local log maker, I know I would.
     
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  4. Tommy10

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    Id love to say yes, but you'd want to sell 1000 a year at $250+ AUD.
     
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  5. Kamikaze Viking

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    Yeah i wouldn't expect to make a salary off this unless something lucky happened, But it seems like i could make enough to cut back my IT work. While also giving me some satisfying work to do that's under my control.

    Also it seems that Vaping is still a relatively unheard of thing in many circles that I frequent. I love watching the expressions on my friends faces when they try it for the first time as compared to combustion.
     
  6. Tommy10

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    On a hobby level, and nail it enough to sell a few, I'm sure that is very achievable. Could easily see 20 sold on here and reddit. If you built it with small load water pipe use you'd attract a lot more people at head shops and such.
     
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  7. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    I think there needs to be at least one log vape maker on each continent :science:
     
  8. hoptimum

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    If you build it, they will come.
     
  9. Vapor_Eyes

    Vapor_Eyes high standards

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    I say there can never be too many logs. If you can afford to do this as a hobby at first I say go for it! :tup:

    The simple act of creating something can be therapeutic and help release stress from your IT job.

    The vaporizer market is in its infancy. You have a great long term opportunity here. More combusters are converting to vaping every day, and cannabis restrictions are loosening all over the world. By establishing yourself now with some high quality hand crafted logs, you will have a good chance at capitalizing on these trends.

    Also, with Australia being fairly isolated you have a home field advantage over the other log manufacturers.

    One good thing about logs is that some people like to collect multiples. Even with a smaller customer base you can potentially sell a decent amount. I would recommend creating logs with a variety of exotic woods and to keep changing up the selection. Keep your prices as affordable as possible, but don't undervalue your work either!
     
  10. Kamikaze Viking

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    So i got an email back from the cartridge heater people and they say the maths is wrong

    "It appears there are several relevant math issues here.

    12V and 0.6A is 20 Ohms and would be 7.2W not 35W"

    I'm thinking the lower wattage might be due to using a purpose built heater instead of a ceramic resistor. Hence the need for less wattage due to the heat transferring better. Or the resistance of the cartridge heater is different.
    I think i might hold off talking to them, wait for my tools and mutimeter etc to arrive (my dad's shed full of tools i used to use just moved 2 hours further away) and buy a few off the shelf heaters to experiment with.

    maybe I should try something like either of these.

    10W
    http://www.comstatinc.com/high-density-cartridge-heater-12v/10w-p-683-l-en.html
    30W
    http://www.comstatinc.com/high-density-cartridge-heater-12v/30w-p-687-l-en.html
    40W
    http://www.comstatinc.com/high-density-cartridge-heater-12v/40w-p-743-l-en.html

    Get 2 of each and then just experiment from there.

    thoughts?
     
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  11. Tommy10

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    12v 40w with some way to make it variable and WPA. Open round air intake on the side like the herbalaire and you could even have a bag blowing bowl!
     
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  12. Kamikaze Viking

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    Haven't posted in a while.

    Since you guys were supportive I've gone and gotten started.

    Here are a few select pics of my progress.

    First Heater core - long way to go - [​IMG]

    First few attempts at turning, next to my Maple Underdog - [​IMG]

    That's starting to look right - [​IMG]

    shiny new tools - [​IMG]

    Getting there with my turning but i keep crashing/catching on the end grain. More practice needed. [​IMG]

    I've also worked out the maths of the heaters and have an order in place for some proper ones (the 3d printer ones don't cut it)
     
  13. little maggie

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    There are a lot of new vapes in the works- from RBT and Ed in addition to the ones that are already available. Still those are beautiful. Someone suggested connecting it with some kind of small water device. That would be unique. Also you can never tell what will develop here at FC. I hope this goes well.
     
  14. Kamikaze Viking

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    Yeah trying to add something unique in a market that keeps innovating. I've been watching it all evolve so quickly in the 18mths since i discovered vapes. I hope i can make something people want.
     
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  15. Enialis

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    I think there's plenty of room for log vapes worldwide, considering theres only the e-nano, underdog, HI, and wychwood afaik
     
  16. Chill_Break

    Chill_Break New Member

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    As an aussie ent I'd be very interested.
     
  17. Poostuff

    Poostuff Well-Known Member

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    Looks like that's two prototypes you've almost finished, I think it's pretty much standard practice in the vaporizer industry to offer to take preorders now ;)
    Hey but seriously keep up the great work, lots of us are interested to see what you turn out. Best of luck.
     

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