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RezBlock /Cranberry Extract

Discussion in 'Glass' started by t-dub, Dec 27, 2012.

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Assuming its safe, would you vape through anything other than water if it offered some benefit?

  1. Yes, this sounds cool.

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  2. No, you guys are nuts.

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  1. ReeferChiefer

    ReeferChiefer Well-Known Member

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    Here are the results of that white haze after using distilled cleaning vinegar. Thanks to this forum my glass literally looks brand new again after years of what I thought were permanent stains.

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  2. Nugg

    Nugg Well-Known Member

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    I used to leave the water in my bongs for a few days at a time but dont now that I use nace.

    I find it helps keep the piece cleaner if you hot rinse the piece each night when you done with it.

    A little while ago I forgot to empty my fc-ufo before I put it away. I found it a couple week later with some real funky growths in it. The nace definitely promotes the bacteria/mould to grow.
     
  3. kellya86

    kellya86 Herb gardener...

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    I hot rinse after every use, ocd...

    When I was a combusting teen, almost 20 years ago, we used to have a communal bong that lived in a bush..
    The water was only changed when it became to thick to bubble, we couldn't see the water in this coloured bong..
    I dred to think of the bacterial civilisation existing in there...not to mention slugs and other bugs...

    Can believe I used to do this...
    I'm ashamed of my self...

    And now I worry about a bit of reclaim...
     
  4. ReeferChiefer

    ReeferChiefer Well-Known Member

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    Wow. That almost made me sick thinking about it.... This is why I'm sort of glad I started smoking at age 24. By then I was much more responsible and careful compared to my teenage years.
     
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  5. 2 Cycle

    2 Cycle Well-Known Member

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    You haven't lived until you pack a nice bowl full of slugs
     
  6. alittledabwilldoya'

    alittledabwilldoya' Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.

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    ^^^ Whoa, man ... Did you just LICK that toad?!?
     
  7. UnshavenFish

    UnshavenFish Well-Known Member

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    Been there lived that, the kitkat wrapper as a screen lol

    Now I change my water 2-3 times per day, using NACE I just give it a hot water rinse each time then use VWP once every 2-4 weeks for a thorough clean.
     
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  8. 2 Cycle

    2 Cycle Well-Known Member

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    man this cran extract is the jam. Really works well thanks fellas
     
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  9. Vessel

    Vessel Well-Known Member

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    After using RezBlock I have this same lite pink stain on my shower cap og hydra tube- Right were it is impossible to get to. I rinsed it with the nozzle from the sink with hot water- soaked it in 91%iso - rinsed it again and put the Iso back to soak for longer. I hope this stain goes away, if I have to I will use bleach though that seems quite caustic, potentially harmful and not something I am keen on doing.

    I really do blame the rez block though perhaps it has something to do with the glass itself? :huh:

    I am going to let it soak for a couple days.

    Any other advice? I am hesitant to use salt because I've had trouble in the past with accumulating salt stains that were really, really hard to get rid of.
     
  10. 2 Cycle

    2 Cycle Well-Known Member

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    Maybe try cleaning with Pbw?
     
  11. StickyShisha

    StickyShisha Well-Known Member

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  12. Kief

    Kief Medicated

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    Way too expensive, I'd only get 4 bubbler fills for $15, that's about 40 times more expensive than using cranberry extract. No mater how good it works or what the price is... until they tell us what the ingredients are, they can keep it.
     
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  13. 2 Cycle

    2 Cycle Well-Known Member

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    that reminds me of a joking conversation with my roommate a few months ago. We came up with Weed Water, bong water but seriously BETTER! Somebody already probably thought of that name but too lazy to google. Good times
     
  14. ReeferChiefer

    ReeferChiefer Well-Known Member

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    Finally got around to testing out the NACL stuff. Here are some results after a week of heavy use, about 3-4 sessions per day. I replaced the water every 2-3 days, that's all.

    Here is the worst of it:

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    This would have made its way into the rig if it weren't for the drop down. In combination with the NACL, drop downs will help keep your glass much much cleaner. It's not a gimmick.

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  15. xRUFUSx

    xRUFUSx special like everyone else

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    Wondering if anyone has tried "OLIVENATION Pure Cranberry Extract" (or O.N.C.E. lol) for quality and functionality comparisons to NACE and BCCE --- roughly $12 shipped for 8oz is (too great?) a great price

    of the few reviews on Amazon:
    -one of the 4oz mentions a chemical taste
    -one of the 8oz suggests it's lower in concentration than other brands, but tastes great
     
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  16. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    If you look at the ingredients the first one is alcohol. Don't think I want to inhale that . . . :uhoh:

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  17. xRUFUSx

    xRUFUSx special like everyone else

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    I don't mean to be argumentative - seriously speaking, is the alcohol content in that enough to be an issue for taste and glass-maintenance when only a few drops are applied to a piece's water? My only reference for comparison is BCCE.

    edit: I see NACE and BCCE are alcohol-free... nevermind? idk I was hoping the stuff I linked would be workable, as the price is awesome. I appreciate that inhaling alcohol is never ideal.
     
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  18. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Ingredients are listed with the one having the largest amount going first then it descends as you go down the list with the ingredient with the least amount being last. With alcohol being the first ingredient that tells me there is a lot in there and it would be enough to effect taste as you noted in your previous post. Health wise, they don't list what type of alcohol it is but I would guess ethyl. Inhaling ethyl alcohol vapors over long periods of time may be unwise as it can cause lung irritation according to the MSDS.
     
  19. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    I've tried working my way back through the thread and am just confused. Can someone who is a regular here summarize?
    Which products do you put in the water while you're vaping(ie cranberry, rezblock) and which appears to be preferable
    Which products are the majority of you finding for cleaning between uses (ie pbw)

    Is there a combination of the above that seems most effective?
     
  20. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Sure since I started this thread. I was using Rezblock, very expensive, and by tasting some I realized it was cranberry extract after mistaking it for black cherry. I had just been reading a new study that showed that Proanthocyanidins in the cranberries was what gave them the bio-slipperyness to wash away urinary tract infections. The flavinoids/polyphenols make it so the bad guys can't stick and they get flushed away. Its this same action that prevents resin from sticking to your glass.

    That's when I started experimenting with cranberry extract as that is way less expensive than Rezblock. You want to find one with no alcohol and no cranberry juice as that has sugar and is not concentrated.

    So I found Botanic's Choice, I can't remember who found the Nature's Answer, but they both do a great job and are way less costly than Rezblock. I think some people remarked that Nature's Answer had less particles in it but either one will work well.

    As far as cleaning I started a thread on PBW here. Its what brewers use to clean burnt malt off their brew kettles. It is actually good for the environment as it puts oxygen back into the water when it goes down the drain and helps with hard water problems. It is powerful and works very well. Some people derailed my thread talking about Alconix and other cleaners for laboratory glass. These work well but are expensive and not eco-friendly.

    There is a brother to PBW that's called Straight-A, pretty much the same. Both PBW and Straight-A are kinda mixtures of Oxyclean and TSP (trisodium phosphate) substitute. There is an excellent article from the makers of Straight-A and One Step that describes soil formation, chemistry in cleaning, the cleaning pie chart, wetting, deflocculation, suspension, dissolution, emulsification, neutralization, and oxidation. I highly recommend reading it as it was the central document in my research.

    So try a little PBW, please use it sparingly, dissolve in warm to hot water, and keep your dwell times short, and try one of the recommended cranberry extracts and I think you will happy with the results.

    Edit: Please be aware that PBW and Straight-A technically are not sanitizers, that is what One Step is about.

    http://www.ecologiccleansers.com/essentials.php

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/pbw-the-chemistry-of-clean.7854/
     
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  21. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    @little maggie . . . I just want to add to the ^above^ post to make it a complete thought.

    You will find after a period of time that your vaping fluid will be completely used and get ugly. Biological growth can result depending on your cleaning habits and how often they are applied.

    This is when I started experimenting with vaping through mediums of different PH. I eventually found that using acid water from my Jupiter Melody water ionizer kept my vaping fluid a lot nicer for longer. I managed to replicate the results using citric acid, a common food preservative, instead of the acid water from the ionizer.

    Citric acid, or sour salt, is easily available, and cheap, through your home brew store, canning supply stores, or online. Its the same ingredient that gives the super sour candy its flavor. Start small, this will vary because each glass has is own volume, and increase gradually until you see an improvement in your vaping medium experience. I found mixing a 100 ML batch that about 6-8 drops of extract and 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of sour salt were necessary but every situation will be different. So add a little citric acid to the mix and watch your vaping fluid perform instead of being a liability.

    I made a brief PBW cleaning video. This method works extremely well but technically does not include a sanitizer, however the results will cover most usage patterns . . .

    Click to play YouTube Video


    Tool design evolution is here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/hydratube-flush-device.7263/

    I remember now who found the BC. Be well my friend @Vitolo . . . :peace:
     
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  22. 1DMF

    1DMF Old School Cheesy Quaver

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    hey @little maggie , here is my summary.

    I use NACE , it keeps my glassware from having the oil stick to it so much during the sessions, it also helps the PBW clean it easier because the residual oil isn't glued to the glass.

    Cranberry extract doesn't stop the oil sticking completely it minimises it. I've had plenty of people also confirm it doesn't affect the taste of the sessions either.

    I may try this Alconox next time when my PBW runs out.

    Be careful when using PBW as it does create pressure in the glass while the rubber bungs are in each end.

    I've had a bung literally pop out while it was sitting on my shelve soaking, and the water spurted everywhere, the ceiling, the walls, everywhere! It made an impressive 'pop' as the rubber bung flew out and I'm at some stage going to have to repaint the walls where it has stripped the paint off :(
     
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  23. Senor Diesel

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    Paid the extra $20 to get it, with the Cloud Evo. Saves me the trouble of buying more iso. :D
     
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  24. newVaper420

    newVaper420 Vapor Enthusiast

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    I'm in the same boat. Pink stain on Evolver Hydratree
     
  25. Maitri

    Maitri Deadhead, Low-Temp Dabber, Mahayana Buddhist

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    I soak my hardware in a 185° (± .1°) sous vide bath (using a classic Nomiku) with PBW & liquid dish soap for a few hours and everything come out in brand new condition.

    I understand you likely do not own a water heater/circulator but I highly recommend pretty much everyone here get one - partly due to its ability to help get everything pretty effortlessly super clean, and partly because it will instantly make you a far better cook. :)
     
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