QWEthanol safety !?!

[2clicker]

It should be fine for vaping.. but dabbing or combusting... Blaaaaaah..

just curious... why do you say that regarding everclear?

Well it is regarding Glycerine.. They put it in all alcohol rated for drinking ..
And i don't feel fine with inhaling combusted glycerine ..

all my questions come from my need to learn how to make oil for say a Gentlemans DA or Omicron style pen vape. i dont want to mess with doing BHO runs. i would rather do a quick wash option, but one that still tastes good. ISO tastes to "chemy" for me. if im out and sharing my vape pen with someone i want it to taste good.

so would a proposed everclear/fresh flower extraction work for a vape pen? since its vaping and not combusting... ? i should probably just stay away from everclear to be sure. i just hate the ISO taste. it is however reclaim ISO oil that tastes this way. i have never run fresh flowers with ISO. i didnt want to taint my goods with that taste so i have never done it. then ethanol sounds great, but i cant seem to locate any.

conundrum

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Well i think it will be fine for that use.. Never hurt to try a little.. Is everclear expensive ?

 

[2clicker]

Well i think it will be fine for that use.. Never hurt to try a little.. Is everclear expensive ?

compared to ISO yes, but compared to ethanol its much cheaper

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Sry to hear that.. Around here 800 ml for Hospital Use at any pharmacy.. is 5 $ for 95 %

 

[2clicker]

"hospital use"?

i thought i was looking for "food grade"...?

oh and is 200 proof ethyl alcohol the same as ethanol?

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I think so ..

 

[2clicker]

$40 for 100ml...? wow

https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA...t=PPC_Landing_Page&utm_campaign=Ethyl_Alcohol

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Well this is not the one you seek obviously..
I checked my bottle inscription..
In English it is a.k.a. Hydrous ethanol (95 ml/5 ml (water) )

 

[WatTyler]

I think the problem is some places (here) seem to tax the fuck out of it to stop it being drank. Does Bulgaria not have this issue with the alcoholics buying it?

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I guess is not an issue around here..We are one of biggest wheat producers (if not the biggest ) and ethanol is made out of grain... .Also brewery is a must for our people.. Since everyone has a lot of homemade wine and rakia... so everyone is an addict lol.. almost.. (thats why i stopped drinking last 3-4 years,just didn't want to be a part of nation wide drunkenship)..
I even own .. around 10 square miles of vines.. Which i gave on a rent.. to a very nice bunch of old man .. Who are giving me each year.. 200-300 L of fine delicatessen wine and all the grape i can eat and juice .I sell the wine but i went trough at lest 200 kilos of grapes last year in juices and snack.,... I even chew the seeds LOL...
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This is how youngster chalga fans are having fun.. .. LOL.. You judge what rakia does to you.. .. Why bother ethanol ..

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[2clicker]

Well this is not the one you seek obviously..

do you mean in the link i posted?

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Well this is not the one you seek obviously..

do you mean in the link i posted?

You don't need for laboratory use... That is the expensive one..
Did you checked at the pharmacy store already ? WT can be right about taxing it higher in the states although..

 

[2clicker]

Well this is not the one you seek obviously..

do you mean in the link i posted?

You don't need for laboratory use... That is the expensive one..
Did you checked at the pharmacy store already ? WT can be right about taxing it higher in the states although..

i havent physically gone into any of them yet, but i have checked out Walgreens and CVS online and they only have 70% ethyl alcohol. at least that is all that is available online.

ill have to keep looking. there is a mom and pop type pharmacy right around the corner so maybe ill check there. its unfortunate that this extraction requires such volatile chemicals

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Ethyl is same as ethanol (but i guess you know that already) .. Keep looking.. Check Amazon too ..
I think the equivalent of what i use is .. 95 (190 proof ) Rubbing ethyl alcohol..
Btw.. I would take my chances even with a 70 % before messing with other solvents .. (after all it is just 70 ml pure ethanol 30 ml water ) (I see 1 l goes for 2-3 $ on drugstore.com)

 

[2clicker]

Ethyl is same as ethanol (but i guess you know that already) .. Keep looking.. Check Amazon too ..
I think the equivalent of what i use is .. 95 (190 proof ) Rubbing ethyl alcohol..
Btw.. I would take my chances even with a 70 % before messing with other solvents .. (after all it is just 70 ml pure ethanol 30 ml water ) (I see 1 l goes for 2-3 $ on drugstore.com)

well i will def keep looking. i suppose amazon would be fine...?

i was poking around on the oil section of the THCfarmer forum and was reading about 99% ISO and how it was another good option. and that it didnt leave that ISO taste. have any experience with that?

i am going to do 2 small runs. 3.5g fresh flowers each of the same strain. one batch with 99% ISO and another with 95% ethanol. using the exact same techniques. 20-30 sec agitation/stir, strain w/ coffee filter twice, and let evap with a fan/window setup. then i will test to see which one tastes best and yields most.

would you suggest freezing and re-heating before tasting? or just purge properly, scrape, and enjoy?

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Ethyl is same as ethanol (but i guess you know that already) .. Keep looking.. Check Amazon too ..
I think the equivalent of what i use is .. 95 (190 proof ) Rubbing ethyl alcohol..
Btw.. I would take my chances even with a 70 % before messing with other solvents .. (after all it is just 70 ml pure ethanol 30 ml water ) (I see 1 l goes for 2-3 $ on drugstore.com)

well i will def keep looking. i suppose amazon would be fine...?

i was poking around on the oil section of the THCfarmer forum and was reading about 99% ISO and how it was another good option. and that it didnt leave that ISO taste. have any experience with that?

i am going to do 2 small runs. 3.5g fresh flowers each of the same strain. one batch with 99% ISO and another with 95% ethanol. using the exact same techniques. 20-30 sec agitation/stir, strain w/ coffee filter twice, and let evap with a fan/window setup. then i will test to see which one tastes best and yields most.

would you suggest freezing and re-heating before tasting? or just purge properly, scrape, and enjoy?

I would rather do two no stir 10-15 seconds washes (soaks) rather than .. 30 second.. And make sure everything is frozen before you mix..
I would purge and then freeze cuz it easier to scrape.. It is not as messy as bho .. Most of the times it forms nice solid crystals..
Another thing that cames to mind. is that you Can redissolve qwiso in ethyl like just like bho in the absolute amber tech .
If the price differences are that great.. I don't see nothing wrong with sparing some ethyl that way..
Although i have no experience with IPA so.. i can't talk about taste.

 

[t-dub]

I would just like to point out that a 50/50 mix of ethanol and water is . . . VODKA!

Edit: From the Eden Labs website:

"What is the best solvent to use?

Generally speaking, most herbs are best extracted with a 50-50 mix of ethanol and water or Vodka. In some cases a desired constituent is not soluble in alcohol or water and must be extracted in a more exotic solvent like chloroform or ether. If that is the case, you will need one of the Professional units that seal up so solvent vapors don't escape. Ultimately, carbon dioxide is often the ideal solvent because it has different solvent properties at different pressures and leaves no traces or residues in the final product."

http://www.edenlabs.org/index.html

These guys are the botanical extraction specialists. I wouldn't worry about any "sugar" being left in Everclear, after that stuff leaves the distillation tower I doubt it contains any real amounts of anything but ethanol and water.

 

[2clicker]

thanks t-dub

i may have to do a run with everclear after all

 

[t-dub]

The thing about alcohol is that its both polar and non polar, so it will extract everything, including chlorophyll etc . . . not that big a deal, some people even prefer it this way, but that is why some people go for hexane or butane, non polar solvents, since they extract actives but leave behind undesirable plant materials.

Edit: The thing I liked about Everclear is that I made Green Dragon with it, if I needed tincture just concentrate it down or I can evap it all the way into a low grade hash/oil . . . everything is edible so no worries.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

The thing about alcohol is that its both polar and non polar, so it will extract everything, including chlorophyll etc . . . not that big a deal, some people even prefer it this way, but that is why some people go for hexane or butane, non polar solvents, since they extract actives but leave behind undesirable plant materials.

Edit: The thing I liked about Everclear is that I made Green Dragon with it, if I needed tincture just concentrate it down or I can evap it all the way into a low grade hash/oil . . . everything is edible so no worries.

Dude IDK what you talking about.. But quick low temp ethanol washes are with higher purity than any bho..
If you wanna see what it is in the best "safe" butane.. Just spray an empty bottle and evaporate.. I tested both colibri and vector .. and shit... Some have a lot some have less... but all do...
People go for butane.. cuz they are lazy to research different techniques and don't bother to maintain low temps.. That why they get dark product.. ..
Google absolute amber tech ... People are even redisolving their BHO in ethanol.. because it dissolve less shit than butane..
Think of extration/purging temps as making tea..
You put the bag in warm water you get nice color tea.. Leave it long enough and it will become darker..
Put a bag in a cold water.. and you will get nothing but wet teapack and clean water..

 

[t-dub]

I'm not speaking about your technique Abysmal just about the solvents in question. Using Everclear and a long enough soak, my finishing material was definitely bleached and all of the color went into the solvent, which is what I expected. Its simple organic chemistry. I am positive that you are a super skilled concentrate maker and that your process is fantastic, I guess I wasn't clear that I was just addressing the qualities/capabilities of polar vs non polar solvents.

Edit: However, at this point, if I had to choose an extraction method it would be lab grade n-butane in a Tamisium extractor. Hot Soxhlet extraction looks interesting, and is basically what I have been fooling with in a very crude way, as well but . . .

Edit: Super-critical C02 is the dream but tens of thousands of dollars in equipment and the proper training . . .

 

[Bon Dog]

I saw earlier someone posted that you could use rubbing alcohol... i would highly advise against this because it has a lot of shit in it (from what i hear don't have proof tbh) like acetone that will not evaporate off... lets just say its prob not good to burn it let alone smoke lol

 

[SF Giant]

I saw earlier someone posted that you could use rubbing alcohol... i would highly advise against this because it has a lot of shit in it (from what i hear don't have proof tbh) like acetone that will not evaporate off... lets just say its prob not good to burn it let alone smoke lol

Sorry to tell you but you have been given some bad info here.

 

[2clicker]

The thing about alcohol is that its both polar and non polar, so it will extract everything, including chlorophyll etc

wouldnt a quick 15-20 sec soak remedy this...?

 

[Bon Dog]

I saw earlier someone posted that you could use rubbing alcohol... i would highly advise against this because it has a lot of shit in it (from what i hear don't have proof tbh) like acetone that will not evaporate off... lets just say its prob not good to burn it let alone smoke lol

Sorry to tell you but you have been given some bad info here.

tbh this is one of the few times I'm happy to be proven wrong=p that means i can go get me some and make some oils =p
...cant get ethanol here and don't like iso... altho rubbing alcohol will prob taste similar