QB-GON Grinder

Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by QB-GON, May 11, 2016.

  1. °k

    °k The sound of vapor

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    Last question for today promised! And thanks for the quick and detailed answers by the way.

    Could you tell us a bit more about how it works please?
     
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  2. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    QB-GON is entirely dual sided, from the mechanism to the outer shell.

    Identical blades can produce different pattern just by flipping them (mirrored pattern), or same pattern but thicker (stacked).

    If you change from alternated configuration (rotating-stable-rotating-stable etc...) to a thick configuration (stable-stable rotting-rotating etc...), you can have a blade that is the same pattern but thicker, by stacking up the same pattern and form a double thickness blade! While if you have the alternated stable and rotating configuration the blades are thinner! Thick blade configuration produce coarser grind while alternating a more fine.


    Re-configuring the mechanism (order & sides) will give different results! There are 2 blade configurations, however you can try your own configurations, but must keep in mind 3 principles of the mechanism!

    1) No mater what is the order or sides you set up your configuration, you must form a chamber by aligning the blades.
    2) There is a top blade.
    3) There is a bottom blade.

    The asymmetrical patterns has been design to distribute the force to small surface area at all time as the mechanism rotates! That ensure effortless grinding!
     
    Last edited: May 28, 2016
  3. davesmith

    davesmith Well-Known Member Glass Blower

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    Re-inventing the wheel? Maybe. But if I saw one in a headshop and it wasn't too expensive I'd probably buy it, cos that's what us good little consumer capitalists do.

    Good luck, I look forward to hearing reviews from real customers.
     
  4. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    Thist is an example of flipped blades (mirror pattern).

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  5. Hyphy

    Hyphy Karma

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    Do all those inserts on the bottem pic make the stackup? What's the grind consistency like?
     
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  6. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    Yes!

    This mechanism can achieve grind sizes from fine to coarse depending the configuration. But results are subtle with other configurations, so we consider there are 2 sizes. For different results you will need a different mechanism, that is possible to achieve more than 1 grind size!

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  7. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    Everything is almost ready! However bureaucracy done it's magic once again and the IGG campaign will be delayed some days, until our bank account and paypal is ready. :bang:

    Nevertheless, we decided to give information about the price tag as we promised!

    There will be a limited number of QB-GON for early bird backers!
    Prices goes as follow:

    QB-GON Beech 65€ (Early Bird)
    QB-GON Walnut 75€ (Early Bird)
    QB-GON Beech 75€ (Retail)
    QB-GON Walnut 85€ (Retail)
    QB-GON x 2 Beech & Walnut 150€ (you can change layers with each other and make 2 unique)
    QB-GON Wholesales packs (Beech, Walnut and Mixed)

    We are also planing to run contests to support our camping and save you some money!
    Last but not least, a discount on the mechanisms to come just for the forum members, that will back our campaign!

    More information coming soon!

    QB-GON team
     
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  8. HD Springer

    HD Springer Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to be watching this development. I can't justify funding a grinder but some could. For sure. Not bad start up funding price.
     
  9. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Wow, kinda blown away by the pricing. I look forward to reviews.

    I am curious, can you elaborate on what the maintenence might be in the long term? You touched on it earlier but not in great detail, does the wood need to be waxed, conditioned, how often, etc?
     
  10. °k

    °k The sound of vapor

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    @QB-GON, any chance of a super early bird at 55€! :cool:

    I want to be part of it but it's difficult (if not impossible) to justify a new grinder...:uhoh:

    Where are you guys located by the way?

    mod note: Please do not make posts asking for special deals.
     
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  11. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    Wood is a living organism and while making every QB-GON unique it does require maintenance.
    The user will have to treat wooden parts with a non toxic food grade varnish.
    How frequently depends on the type of wood and usage, the user can see when wood requires to reapply varnish if it looks dry. We usually wax our QB-GONs once every 1-2 months!

    We are located in Greece!
     
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  12. tepictoton

    tepictoton Well-Known Member

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    Greece, now that was unexpected... Nice to see more initiative in this side of the pond!!!
     
  13. °k

    °k The sound of vapor

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    καλωσορίζω στην FC!
    Should have guessed the olive oil based varnish had some Mediterranean origins.:sherlock:
     
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  14. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    Because there is a longer delay than we expected, we decide to give some information about whats going on. Our company is registered, but we need a bank account. Banks have marked crowd funding as high risk for money laundering.
    That means that opening a bank account takes more time than standard procedure and our request for the account will have to reprocessed from another department before approving. That usually takes 2-3 weeks. We also had to give evidence we are a real company with a real product and that IGG is legit and have protection for money laundering.
    This week we entered week 3. Bank account should be ready by 28/5. :shrug::cry::bang::cuss::rant::goon:
    Once bank account is ready, hopefully we will need a couple of days to verify paypal with bank account and then everything will be ready to run as planed.

    Concerning timeline, we estimate that we will start shipping 2 to 3 months after IGG is funded, depending on order volume.

    More information coming soon!
     
  15. Meach

    Meach Well-Known Member

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    Ζετο Ελλάς! Definitely looks promising
     
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  16. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    Good news everyone! Our bank account is finally approved! Now its a matter of a week or so before we can launch our IGG campaign (Just a PayPal verification). Info about special offers for the forum backers will be posted upon launch notification post!

    Stay tuned!
     
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  17. Edward Hyde

    Edward Hyde Well-Known Member

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    can you give us some more info on how this thing gets cleaned?doesnt the resin from broken buds stick on the wooden parts of the grinding chamber??how you clean that?
     
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  18. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    You can use a dishwasher or boiling water to clean QB-GON's mechanism, however we recommend a jar with alcohol for further processing a usable byproduct and QB-GON is just perfect to do it.

    Most (if not all) grinders have a fixed mechanism to the outer shell that hands come in contact while operating, that leaves back hand fats and grime that will produce a very low quality byproduct when processed.
    While with QB-GON the users hands come in contact exclusively with the outer shell, since mechanism is detachable and hand contact is minimal to near zero when operating, the user can produce the highest quality byproduct achievable, free of grime, hand fats and other impurities like dust.

    When operating QB-GON buds and resins stay trapped in the chamber and exclusively come in contact with it, in conclusion the wooden part that houses the mechanism doesn't require cleaning.
     
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2016
  19. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    Our campaign is now up and running! With the stainless steel tray included. We are also offering a 40% discount on all upcoming mechanisms, exclusive for the forum members that will back our campaign!

    Our campaign can be found here!


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  20. smutman

    smutman SmutmanMDCXX

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    Thought you said you had everything you need to ship the grinders in Aug? Now estimated Oct. Something tells me you need the crowd funding (which you said you didn't need) to produce the grinders.
     
  21. °k

    °k The sound of vapor

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    Soooooooooooo I was going to get the ball rolling and be the first to back this project even though I found that 65€ for the early bird was a bit on the high end but after logging in and confirming my delivery address it shown another 30€ for shipping... from Greece to UK (FYI: I could send it for less than £10 with tracking)... 95€ in total... I'd love to support you guys and I'm a sucker for innovation but I'll have to pass. :(

    Edit: it even shows 30€ to ship to Greece, @QB-GON is there a problem with the shipping estimation?
     
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  22. IAmKrazy2

    IAmKrazy2 Darth Vapor

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    Yeah i buy everything, and like to support early inovators at a fair price, but this is just a little rich for my blood. Even at Crowd Funding it is priced similiar to or higher then the most expensive and most trusted grinders in the world.
     
  23. QB-GON

    QB-GON Member Accessory Maker

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    Like mention on our texts, our objective is to make our revolutionary product available to anyone interested, that is why we decide to post via standard post services (tracking number included) instead of a courier service that charges more, moreover we decrease our prices for early bird, retail and wholesales.
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2016
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  24. max

    max Out to lunch

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    Even with a 4 piece grinder there are two halves to move, thus the grinding action. While the hands obviously contact the two halves, in order to grind, there's no need for hands to contact either the herb or any interior parts of the grinder. If by "back hand fats" (a term I've never heard before) and "grime" you mean contamination from the hands, that's a real reach and IMO absolutely nothing to be concerned about when grinding herb. If you're really concerned about it, it wouldn't be that difficult to use needle nosed pliers and/or tweezers to separate and load the grinder, leaving it untouched by human hands. As for most grinders producing a very low quality product ("byproduct" is defined as an incidental or secondary product produced during manufacturing and has no place in this discussion) due to this 'fats and grime' issue you describe, that's just not true. No grinder is going to degrade the product quality by the simple act of grinding. You're just turning it into smaller, more manageable pieces.

    While your product is interesting, looks well made, and seems quite versatile, I can (and do) use different 2 piece grinders (or 4 piece for that matter) in order to grind to different consistencies and the cost for several 2 part models still comes in at less than the Indiegogo price for one of your units. While I might like to own and use your interesting and different grinder, I don't need it in order to get different grind consistencies and I'm certainly not concerned about any grinder I use compromising the herb quality in any way.
     
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  25. °k

    °k The sound of vapor

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    I've expressed my opinion, you've listened, so I didn't have any other choice than to officially become your first backer, best of luck to you guys! :)

    Hopefully you're flooding everybody on social networks with this campaign!

    Edit: for the ones not following closely, after concerns (before the campaign) QB-gon has added a metal dish to collect the pollen at the bottom of the chamber; then once the campaign started we've kinda commented on the high price and the percs are now 21€ cheaper basically.
    Listening to potential customers is a good sign imo, I hope this campaign will be funded.

    (Disclaimer: I'm not related to their company, I'm just a backer. They've approached me once to give my opinion on their website and that's it.)
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2016
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