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Discussion in 'ABV' started by Jeremy Driscoll, Jun 10, 2013.

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Which vape matches my 8 concern?

Poll closed Jan 9, 2014.
  1. DBV

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    28.6%
  2. SSV

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  3. LSV

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  4. Herbalaire

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  5. vapor brothers

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  6. davinci

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    0.0%
  7. extreme q

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    7.1%
  8. MFLB

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  1. clouded vision

    clouded vision Well-Known Member

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    unless you have glass water pipes and strictly want to vape through water, I wouldn't look at the VTHW at all, as it w ill require one.
     
  2. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    Is separate pump bad? I mean is it more likely to break or be less efficient? I'm just wondering why so many people don't like the separate pump, like if it's something that I should worry about, I notice that the vapecritic.com guy mentioned that he didn't like it either. Maybe I should give this some more thought.
     
  3. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    I don't care about having to use a bong with it, I really care about efficency, maintanence and cleaning. And most of all getting the most out of already vaped bud. Getting the most out of already vaped stuff is a top priority of mine. I should have pointed that out better in start.
     
  4. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't get anything out of the ABV? Wouldn't that make it a bad extractor then? I'm confused.
     
  5. Jeremy Driscoll

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    So based on efficiency extraction that would make the HA the worst, the solo better than the Herbie, and the LSV the best. Is that correct there? And is this generally agreed by most people?
     
  6. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    [quote="clouded vision, post: 404858, member: 13507" You don't have to grind with it but my LSV gets my ABV much darker. The HA maxes out at 400, even the solo goes to 410 making it able to extract more actives. The HA doesnt have any glass so you can literally throw it in a backpack abd not worry about it but the crucible that you need to drop in is a pain to unload and can easily be crushed making it useless, is this better than a glass stem like the solo? depends on if you feel you are more likely to drop or crush something fragile. Also as mentioned before the HA doesnt taste great andeven though you say that isn't a concern, it probably will be if you keep vaping. I actually sold my HA in favor of the LSV because of the taste and the thinner clouds (thats the other thing, unless you grind and pack it tight the clouds are whispy).
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    Well effiency extracting was my whole point for loving HA. But if the LSV is better than maybe I shoud. change my mind.
     
  7. clouded vision

    clouded vision Well-Known Member

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    I think you need to clarify what you mean by getting the most out of your ABV. Are you looking to be able to reuse your ABV to make edibles or do you want your vaporizer to extract all actives? What Quetz was saying is you aren't able to vape your ABV over again because it has already extracted everything out, making it more efficient. My experience though was you can revape ABV from the HA in other devices, making it less efficient.
    No vaporizer will allow you to revape your ABV in the same unit if you turned the temp all the way up and hit it till out stops the first time you vape your bud. Of course there really is no waste with any unit if you save your ABV to make edibles
    on a side note, you should try to avoid back to back posts, you can hit the reply button in different posts and have then all show up in one of your posts, also you cab use the edit button to add to your own previous post, if you keep doing it you will drive the mods crazy
     
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  8. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    Sorry everyone. Didn't mean to drive anyone crazy.

    I have never made edibles. I don't know how much work it would be or even if it would be worth. Considering this is AVB we are talking about would edibles even be worth it?


    I don't know which is better to be honest. Is it possible to do both? Like vape bud, put it into a better vape and re vape it until it can't be and then use it make brownies? By that time would it be too used to have any good?

    Besides price. Is there anything better about DBV compared to LSV? And visa versa.
     
  9. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    I'm not gonna read this thread. I'm just gonna say the Solo with one of Ed's wooden stems hits all the talking points for this customer and can be had for about $200 in total.
     
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  10. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    Right now I'm not ready to pick just one. So instead of picking the winner, I am only going to pick losers until enough drop off the list and there is only one left. Right now I want to eliminate either the DBV or LSV. I'm trying to decide which one is better so that the loser can be kicked off and this list can get down to three.

    Correct me if wrong. But I think that the LSV is better than the DBV overall. And that DBV is harder to clean. Because I can easily. See myself cleaning the lsv glass like I would a bong with rubbing alcohol and epson salt then rinse then air dry good as new. Also even though I said flavor does not matter, if flavor is really better with the glass with LSV when compared to a whip with DBV then I see no reason to keep DBV on my list.

    My only concern is is it possible that you can get more extraction efficiency with DBV then with LSV?


    And I have heard that the E-nano is good, and so is the UD are there any other logs that are as good? Or are any better? I guess my real question is what is the best log out there?

    Thanks everyone for baring with me and all my questions for what it is worth this thread will help. And hopefully other beginners.
     
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  11. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    Is the Solo still in contention?
     
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  12. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    I had to make a decision, and the solo is out of the race. I feel I owe an apology. I have never tried it. And I still am uncertain whether or not I was right in doing so. Honestly not a second goes by. That I don't think did I make the right decision? Or make wrong decision? It is like when I was younger a few years ago, and I was engaged to two women at the same time. I had to make a choice to either be with the roommate the first girl who I thought was caring my child or the mistress who I thought had no baggage and no kids from previous relationships and who made more money. It was a tough decision but in the end it worked.

    The solo was kicked out of the race as was the extreme Q and Especially the SSV. The SSV is thankfully gone. I don't like the idea of paying for glamour when I can get from what I hear the same functionality with DBV. It is Practicality only. Thats all that matter.

    I guess what it all came down to is the general confidence this forum of members has given me. That Desktop vapes are overall better then portability vapes. I do not care about portability. Really just overall extraction and efficiency/warranty/clean/maintenance/and long lasting performance/least likely needing replacement parts.


    Even though many times. I have heard that solo is the best portable there is and that it even OUT PERFORMS many desktops, it is still a portable. And I can't take any chances so as much as I wanted to research it more the decision was made solo scratched off the list.
     
  13. Doug

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    I have to say the Enano would be my favorite vape I have. It consistently puts out the best tasting and thickest vapor out when compared to other vapes I have or have tried. It is really versatile and can really be dialed into the vapor of your preference. It even has the power to blast through any concentrate you can fit in the roaster. Great device that I recommend to all my friends. It is easy after they try it.
     
  14. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    Right now my biggest concerns are three.

    One what is the best log vape to fill in the comparison list.

    Two. What is better, LSV or DBV. I assume you can put a glass attachment onto dbv to give it the same benefits as the LSV. And that you can use the DBV with a bong, but not the LSV.

    But then again the LSV did come out last so maybe it is made a little better on manufacturing.

    And lastly with the HA I three concerns.

    One the pump, so far this doesn't bother me, but it seems to bother others, and I wonder if it matters.

    Two. One member in this thread said this: "The HA doesnt have any glass so you can literally throw it in a backpack abd not worry about it but the crucible that you need to drop in is a pain to unload and can easily be crushed making it useless,".

    Exactly how much harder is it to unload the HA crucible in comparison to log and LSV DBV crucibles? In what way hard? And how can it easily be crushed? By using the vapor too much? Is it popular for the crucible to be a pain for most people?

    And lastly extraction production. I heard someone on this thread said that the LSV leaves the herb more dark then the HA and that leads me to believe that the HA doesn't extract as much as the LSV. Could everyone please clarify on these concerns? On best log desktop. And lastly pros cons when comparing LSV DBV.

    Thank you everyone REALLY!
     
  15. brewer

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    I own a few vapes. My advice, don't try to find a "one size fits all" needs... Get a nice portable unit, e.g., Pax, solo, devinci (either model), vaporblunt (either model); and/or a home plug in unit that will do water bubbling or just make massive clouds (e.g., Cloud, volcano, plenty, etc).

    You'll have more fun, and be more happy. If funds are limited get a portable based on it being really portable (e.g., pax--super portable). Or save for a good home unit.
     
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  16. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD

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    You can attach the LSV to a bong with the water pipe adapter for it. Looks like a little dish on a GonG joint.

    How efficiently you extract/how dark your ABV comes out depends on your temperature setting. It's a personal thing. I can make my ABV with my Launch Box look like coffee grounds, but I like not going that far so I can make edibles with the ABV. How much you vape your herb affects how your ABV turns out. Some people don't like the sedating stony body high of ABV that's vaped because the cannabinoids with higher vape temps (mainly CBD) feel "empty" so to speak. You're high but it's almost all body.

    Log vapes as far as I know, you load the herb into the business end of the stem, and then the stem goes into the log vape heater in the center. Easy enough to put in and out.
     
  17. Jeremy Driscoll

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    Ok I kicking DBV off. Unless someone says otherwise. I don't know any advantages that it has vs LSV.

    And unless I wrong. I am choosing the E-nano as the log on the list. Unless there is a better log out there. If there is correct me please!

    So here it is final three.
    LSV (unless DBV is better) (But so far every reason points LSV as better than DBV)

    Herbalaire (Cons are that people don't like pump, might not extract as good as LSV, and crucible problems as stated by others regarding taking it out and not breaking, it, but I really don't know specifically if this is a problem that is popular among it's users and I don't know for sure if it extracts less than LSV)

    Finally the E-nano hits the list as the one and only log on the list. (Unless the Under Dog is better or the Heat Island is guaranteed to be best.)

    To DBV users here. I'm sorry but I had to pick one or the other vs LSV. And unless someone corrects me. I guess LSV.

    Now I just three.

    I don't know which one to drop next. However I don't know if even E-nano is the best log to. So first I have to figure that log question out. So please loggers advise! E-nano or different log?

    I need more info on the Herbalaire vs LSV vs logs.

    And efficiency extraction in better comparison between the three choices.
    Ease of use, clean, replaceable parts, warranty. Stuff like that. And I have heard people on this forum talk about looks, please do not here. I honestly couldn't care less about looks ever.
     
  18. Jeremy Driscoll

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    By the way, I like the energetic body tingly high more than couchlock. I don't know if tht will matter.

    I guess to help other future newbies when they read this thread that I should tell why DBV gone. Well one reason is because I have heard more people talk about the manufacturing of the LSV in praise when it comes to durability and long lasting without needing replacement parts. One person even said that the LSV is built like a tank. This is not to say that DBV is built less quality. However it seems I have heard much more good thing about LSVs craftmanship than DBV.

    Another reason is because I don't like the idea of constantly stirring the bowl. It seems that this is a major problem with DBV when compared to LSV. And I don't like. The idea of bud falling out. It seems that this is a DBV problem more.

    Lastly it also comes down to the design of the LSV I mean I can easily see the business it came from making attachments with water like the cloud so in reality it's not hard to imagine this taking over in that area as well.

    With the fact that it is the newest thing dbv made was something that also helped. If they did made the other vapers first then at the very least I assume that the newest one isn't any worse. Maybe not any better, but at the guarantee most certain not worst than DBV.

    As a reminder to newbies I am a newbie as well, and my advice should be taken with a grain of salt. I am not an expert by any means compared to the others here, and they would be better at advising then I. Keep that in mind. When your using this list of determining your own vape.
     
  19. JCat

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    Hi Jeremy,

    The one thing I'd point out is all three 7th Floor vapes are quite different in many respects and are not necessarily one better than the other but rather they each have different pros/cons.

    The LSV is, from my understanding, quite a good vaporizer for many reasons (although one I haven't owned, one I've pondered quite a bit)

    The e-Nano is also a good option and the EV-2 may be of interest if you want bigger bowls as well ... (I also think you maybe crossed the Solo of prematurely since it truly is "old faithful" for many people and reasons and is a great vaporizer at a great price and can truly perform up there with many of the log vapes etc)

    One question that might help narrow it further is what size of loads are you looking to vape? (0.05g, 0.1g, 0.25g, 0.35g, ...)
     
  20. Doug

    Doug Just passing time

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    The enano stands up there at the top IMO. I like dense,high temp pulls, but it will deliver whatever you want. This is what I tend to do when I am not just using the glass stem. It is reliable, efficient, and powerful.

    ~0.05g but I didn't finish it there.
     
  21. hoptimum

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    I don't mean to be rude, but I believe you may be overthinking your decision just a little. The folks on here are all making reasonable suggestions based on their equally valid experiences. Sometimes you just gotta dive in. There really is no across the board perfect vaporizer and most of us have more than one, sometimes a lot more.
     
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  22. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    DBV is better at being handfree. LSV is handheld or attachable to bong.

    E-nano, UD and HI seem to be the most poprular logs here today. I never had a single log unit, but I think I can imagine how they work.
    UD is the artistic one. Each unit is different, original and beautiful. Lot of them are even built from many types of wood of diferent colors - an artistic beauty.
    UD owners also report very good performance.
    E-nano is the newest log vape, has temperature control and seems more evolved in performance. Apart from being made from wood as all logs all units look the same.
    In this thread a lot of people rated the e-nano the highest, that imo says something.
    HI seems to me similar to e-nano, smaller size, and I've heard of waiting list for these.

    I would actually like the pump to be external in a bag blower - its's easier to repair or upgrade without opening the unit. Also look at the Volcano - the pump being inside is the main reason why it's so huge and heavy. Of course other people could have a different preference about this. I would be worried about the crucible reloading issues. As the herbalAire is a typical "espresso" style vape, one would like to reload easily to vape larger ammounts. Reloading is super easy in other espressos like logs and VXC. Herbie just seems to have the most hassle here.

    You have now choosen your favourite model from each group. So now they get very hard to compare, you need to decide what type of vape you want.



    Espresso (HA, logs): It's easier to be efficient especially with small ammounts.
    HA is the bigger unit with bigger bowl, but harder to reload. More versatile (bags, whips, direct, bong), no glass. VXC's ELBs are similar to crucibles and are easy to reload, but VXC is already ruled out for different reasons.
    Logs are tiny, very easy to work with and it is hard if not impossible to NOT be efficient with these. No whips and bags. Easier for bong use. Prettier, stealithier and smaller.
    UD is the only glass-free one i can think of.

    Wide airflow (LSV):
    Need your involvement to vape efficiently - stirring, breath control etc. Easy to vape large ammount just load it all and rip it, stirring here would be somewhat equivalent of reloading in espressos.
    Because of their ability to load a large ammount once it is good for large groups. But seems to me like an overkill for personal use if compared with logs.
    Not that good with small ammounts. Airy hits and too long session for such a small ammount.
     
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  23. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if I said this before. But thank you everyone, and also I will not be vape in groups. I only share with my girlfriend. So really this is mostly personal use. I repeat this will never be group use. Ever. I don't know how much that matters but I thought it interesting to point out. Since I have heard in this and countless threads that group use is so many times compared to personal use. Just as portability and flavor and looks are compared.

    Your right now that this is at the final three this is the hardest part. Once I found out. DBV SSV and LSV were all made by the same company honestly a part of me knew right then and there that the latest version they made would be a huge impact as a hint to what one I would pick out of those three. And once I found out that the SSV and DBV were like 99% the same in efficiency I was angry that I didn't know that before it would have saved me a lot of time.

    With log vapes I do not think I ever took them seriously to be truthful. I honestly judged them as a book by it's cover. I saw log vapes as a fancy piece of wood, and made cheap. I mean I was a newbie when it came to my research. And after seeing a piece of technology covered in wood the first impression through me off. The worst part obvious. And that is that so many people seem to talk about the beauty of the logs that I was turned off immediately. I thought that anyone who is so interested in how something that cost hundreds of dollars made to vape bud should have the look as the last thing on their mind to the point of it not mattering..............................................................Let me start off by saying I was wrong. Log vapes are huge competitors, and great quality products as people spoke up and taught me. I should have given them a better chance in the start but I think that the fact that they made the final four and then the final three shows that I have learned my lesson.

    And finally the herbie. I admit this one is a personal favorite out of them all, as others have guessed. I know why it is a personal favorite above the rest but I don't know if the reasons why are legit.

    One reason obvious one. And that is that when I saw the sales pitch video online from the company it shows that you don't have to grind it up because it is so efficient that it extracts it better then anything. To the extreme to where it is the only vape that doesn't need grinding first. Now that I hear people comparing their LSV and E-nano to it. I am starting to think that I was wrong in believing that statement. And I am not sure whether compared to the other in the top three it is true. Which sort of is a huge REASON WHY I am in limbo when it comes to my decision.

    The other thing is I have heard great things about the warranty, and lack of wear and tear with HA. But then as I researched, I heard that wonderful things about the quality in the other two as well.

    I am not sure. But I think I might have heard that the air flow does not go over the electrical parts. But I might be thinking of the Herbalizer that is I guess the next big thing, (and expensive as predicted).

    Honestly because of my first impression of logs a part of me truthfully wants to kick the e-nano off the list. But I just can't do it. People keep saying such nice things about it, so another part of me knows that my majority of interpretation of anything I have against the log is misguided, and need to keep giving it a chance comparing it to the others without thinking of the steriotype I created unrightfully.

    Part of the reason I have ranked the log as last place out of the three is just the look. It seems to be that it has so few parts when compared to the others. And less parts to me means less technology. And therefore less quality. I know I am wrong for thinking this but I am being honest and I think the more you know the easier it is for me to help the readers help me. Like in the Tom Cruise movie where he is an agent for a football player, "Help me help you". Or something like that, you know what I mean.

    I hope this helps. And not just seen as rambling. To answer the question asked earlier about how much I will be vaping, I don't know. I haven't smoked pot in years. I have only done it a couple times in life. But I am now growing with a mmj card, and I have literally 10 jars half way full. Mason quart jars. And still growing more. I got a body high which was a lot of energy and my heart started beating faster, and I swear it felt like the old saying of putting vaseline over your entire body to the extent where I could feel every part of my body coming alive. I ate some medical brownies, and more than I should. And had bad trip. But I will be more responsible this time and take it slow at first to see how much of bud does what. So that I know. I have been growing since last year, and am very dedicated now to the growing. Now on to vaping.
     
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  24. Enchantre

    Enchantre A short, pithy statement

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    I love the E-Nano. It comes with a glass stem which I find rather easy to use, and it works with a bubbler (or other water piece) very well with a GonG. It is the simplest thing in the world, nothing difficult to clean, no hidden places where resin can build up, etc. Set the temp where you like it, and that's what you get.

    At this point, there truly are a lot of great choices. It's going to boil down to your personal gut feeling.
     
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  25. Tweek

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    If it is just you and your wife, and you prefer something that blends into your decor, go for a log. They are a real pleasure to use, durable, and when guests come over, they look like a piece of wooden sculpture.

    Edit: Sorry, I skimmed and missed your part about the hidden tech. If you want something cool looking, than I would say the LSV is the most futuristic looking out of your choices. Looks like a light saber. Just don't hand it off to anyone clumsy.
     
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