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Pax Vaporizer by Ploom

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by frayded, Jun 1, 2012.

  1. JoeKickass

    JoeKickass Well-Known Member

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    I think you'll really like the Pax, I had a HA too and the secret is get those oven bags: https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...a=X&ei=XTwlUY3lKoX5igK0t4DYBg&ved=0CHcQ8wIwAA
     
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  2. Onion_Kush

    Onion_Kush New Member

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    Thanks for the tip on the oven bags. I bought some once, but they must have been a bad brand because they leaked much quicker than the HA bags. I'll eventually dust off the HA again and I'll make sure to pick up these bags.
     
  3. jay87

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    I've had my pax for a few months now and would probably be considered a heavy user.
    I started experiencing the temp light issue a little bit and wanted to get around it, but i didn't like doing a full cleaning with alcohol (and i ran out of pipe cleaners but still needed to clean my pax)

    I started cleaning my pax very quickly and easily by running and submerging the mouthpiece under hot water, and using a dental brush with some water on it to clean around and inside the top of the pax vapor tube which takes about 30 seconds and it fixes any issue I've had.

    I also lightly scrape any residue off of the screen and wipe down the oven lid to keep them clean and shiny.

    I will clean my pax fully with a pipe cleaner and removing the screen every week or so probably, but on a day to day basis just cleaning the screen and cleaning the mouthpiece with hot water is easily doable and makes my pax feel fresh all the time.
     
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  4. Deadshort480

    Deadshort480 I got a fever! The only cure is more glass, baby!

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    I've tried everything with the screens. I have flattened them, bent them up, bent them down, even tried a bit of a twist. I just have a serious case of jumping screen. The only thing that absolutely makes the screen stay is semi dirty oven walls. One tiny little notch on the vape tube side wall is all it would need to seat the screen properly every time without having to fuck with the screen constantly.
     
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  5. Mr.Krinkle

    Mr.Krinkle Shpooding Time.

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    You have tried bending them upwards like a lowercase n instead of down like a lowercase u? I cant imagine these poping out, they literally lock in there, after the session i just had, I found you can futher lock them in by pushing down firm on the side that the hole isnt on, it doesnt have a gap any more when you do that either, so the screen sits flush on the oven except where the hole is. I'll take a few pics.
     
  6. Deadshort480

    Deadshort480 I got a fever! The only cure is more glass, baby!

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    Tried everything. The screen still jumps. The only real fix has been a new screen. I understand the physics of how the seen should seat in the oven simply with friction, but it is a flawed design. One tiny little notch...
     
  7. Mr.Krinkle

    Mr.Krinkle Shpooding Time.

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    well thats why I asked, because the method I am talking about doesn't use the notches at all, thats why I considered it a work around for your specific case. it uses the force of itself flexing to keep it locked in place at the bottom of the oven, you could really set it any height you want but it'll increase the distance from the oven surface, decreasing efficiency. Its kind of confusing to explain, I'm going to get the camera out! :D
    edit- better yet, I'll make a diagram! :D
     
  8. Deadshort480

    Deadshort480 I got a fever! The only cure is more glass, baby!

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    I understand what you are describing. It was one of the first methods that I tried. It just doesn't work for me. The screen does not want to stay in place by friction and outward force. I appreciate the advice and offering of a diagram, but it's not necessary.
     
  9. Mr.Krinkle

    Mr.Krinkle Shpooding Time.

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    well I wish I had read that before making the diagram :lol: for anyone else that cares [​IMG]
     
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  10. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    Anyone wanna guess what this is coming out of my freshly cleaned pax? This is at max temp and on party mode after cleaning it. Can't say this makes me feel confident, even though I never use max temp.

     
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  11. BearlyAsleep

    BearlyAsleep New Member

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    I've had my new pax for a few days now, with no problems, I love it. However I noticed one thing which I haven't found addressed on here. When the unit is ready it pulses green, it does this while in use as well(hopefully u know what I mean by pulse). While hitting it, as it pulses green, it will pulse into orange and back to green. The colour change is only a second so I obv don't notice any disturbance with the unit. I'm just wondering if this is an anomaly, my heart drops every time my eye catches it. It's happening every sesh, each sesh is about 6-8 hauls.
     
  12. Deadshort480

    Deadshort480 I got a fever! The only cure is more glass, baby!

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    Darkrom, what does it smell like? There is absolutely zero residue in the oven and on the screen?

    Bearly, what temp setting are you vaping at?
     
  13. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    It was the cleanest its ever been. I can check again now, but I don't believe it will do it again currently after some use. It SEEMS like whatever is burning is burning off, but that means likely into my vapor while I'm using it for a bit.

    It had no noticeable smell which to me would be a suggestion that it wasn't caked bud or anything.

    The steel tube was as clean as could be, that was the first thing I checked for any kind of debris.
     
  14. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    Yeah, it's the resin you didn't actually clean out. You should inhale that shit.

    If you doubt me, take the cover off your Pax and heat it up. It will be immediately obvious that the "mystery smoke" (it's not smoke) comes only from the oven and not from any other part of the Pax.
     
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  15. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    If I test it right now I won't get that happening, this was CLEAN.

    It only happened after a fresh cleaning which is why I'm concerned.


    BTW don't get me wrong I'm not concerned that the pax is offgassing or anything like that, I just don't know what is causing this. It is directly related to cleaning it. ISO wouldn't "smoke" like this while evaporating would it? I thought it would be clear. After 2 or so bowls it no longer tasted bad. I actually don't like cleaning it because it tastes bad after. The only thing I could imagine is the iso?
     
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  16. BearlyAsleep

    BearlyAsleep New Member

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    It's set to medium, so orange. I thought maybe the mouthpiece was loose but it's not and it's doing this when the unit is perfectly still too. As far as clean, had it 3 days, cleaned it twice (just to gauge how dirty it can get) the unit is immaculate
     
  17. Mr.Krinkle

    Mr.Krinkle Shpooding Time.

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    I noticed this at first too, I leave it for about 5 minutes partymode high after I clean it to help rid excess, I think its part what Pakalolo said, and just moisture from maybe alcohol/resin that worked its way into that tiny seam at the top of the oven where it meats the black plastic top. Its hard to clean in that tiny seam its damn near impossible.
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    I'd say its definitely residual moisture from the iso that worked its way into that crease. 5-10 minutes on party mode after cleaning should fix this
    second edit
    Thats your pax telling you to clean it :tup: haha- your officially a proud pax owner. Thats the temp setting issue. You can fix that by inserting a pipe cleaner around the outside of the airpath and clean that locking mechanism/latch and ring that you can see if you look down it with a flashlight.
     
  18. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    100% positive its not resin, but my suspicion is alcohol.

    I am only certain it is not resin because I picked away at it for over an hour until it was OCD clean.
     
  19. Mr.Krinkle

    Mr.Krinkle Shpooding Time.

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    well either way, I see it every single time I clean it too, 90% of it goes away by running party mode. every model I have owned (except for the first one) I have run on high for 10-15 minutes before using it (I do this with brand new screens too) with my thought process being that its killing any germs/residue left behind from assembly. Every time I have run a brand new pax, I have not seen this smoke even under close examination with flashlight.
    edit- I clean mine ocd status as well, I scrub the oven with magic eraser and then the safety goggles come out- the dremmel tool gets fitted for qtips hahahah god its bad... thats how clean I like it.
     
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  20. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    Thanks for the reassurance. I'm sure its the alcohol at this point, or sure enough to be confident anyway.

    Does it eventually stop when you let yours keep burning? I went about 20 minutes and it never stopped until I vaped a bowl or 2 through it which did not taste very good.

    After that it was tasting normal and no more phantom vapors. I'm just trying to find a way to get it all out without those nasty sessions.
     
  21. Mr.Krinkle

    Mr.Krinkle Shpooding Time.

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    mine goes away about 90% in the first 2 minutes. after that depending on how thick the vapor is coming off of it I let that determine how much longer I let it run. I have had it go for a while, didnt officially time it but it probably took 20 or more minutes. cap it to let that heat build up maybe- I clean my warrantied model a lot more than my non warrantied model, but the one I clean a lot doesnt go longer than 10 minutes usually.
     
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  22. Onion_Kush

    Onion_Kush New Member

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    How long did you let the alcohol evaporate before turning the Pax on? Was it dry? I'd suggest trying to let the iso evaporate for 24 hours before use.

    With my Pax on the way the possibility of off-gassing scares me. Does this only happen when it's recently cleaned? Has anyone noticed this vapor even when it hasn't been recently cleaned? If not, it seems like it's just steam from residual moisture left from the cleaning (at least I hope).
     
  23. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    I only let it dry for about 10 minutes. I'm the king of concern when it comes to offgassing, and I'm not worried about the pax offgassing. I almost didn't post this because I didn't want to scare anyone.

    If I had ANY doubt about the safety of the pax I would NOT use it. I have no issues with the pax. I was trying to be clear that this is a cleaning technique issue, not the pax itself. Sorry!
     
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  24. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    The Pax is not off-gassing. I took mine apart to make sure that the origin was the oven and not any of the internals. The oven and vapour path are completely sealed from the internals unless you have wrecked the O-rings at the oven end, which I have done with zero concern.

    If darkrom really got all of the resin out, then the only other source would be the ISO as he speculates. I'm pretty sure in my case it's accumulated resin, or mostly at least, because I am not compelled to go to great lengths to get every last trace of it.

    If it hasn't been cleaned then it is guaranteed to give off something when heated empty.

    Edit: Oops. I made this mistake before. The internals aren't completely sealed off, there is a small slit where the latching clip protrudes into the well holding the SS tube for the vapour. Since the stem from the MP does not make a leak-proof seal when it is in place, there is a convoluted path from the internals into the vapour path, but in order for anything to make it through to the oven and cause "mystery smoke" as seen in darkrom's video, it would have to be so thick that there would be obvious mystery smoke coming out the LED cutout as well.
     
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  25. JDSupreme

    JDSupreme Head of Pot

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    Mine does this too but my mouthpiece has always been a bit screwy. Its the mouthpiece losing connection real quick causing a quick led flash of whatever temp its set on, just as if you pulled the mouthpiece out.

    Next time u use it, once it gets to green, wiggle the mouthpiece in place and you will more than likely trigger it. Cleaning solves this, but only temporarily from my experience
     

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