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PAX 3 by PAX Labs

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by Ojan_at_PAX, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. CosmoKramer

    CosmoKramer Well-Known Member

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    yeah I read that. that is the biggest pile of shit explanation I have ever read from a company. doesn't address anything. i want to know what specifically about the device deemed it worthy of that cancer warning, or in Pax Lab's words, not a warning but a "cancer notification". because of the contents of the battery? because of the materials used in the device? or just because it is used to vaporize? because my volcano sure as shit doesn't have that warning anywhere on it.
     
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  2. OldNewbie

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    Prop 65 warnings are legal nonsense imposed by the poobahs of California genius. At the office, our coffeemaker has the required warning sticker. Required by law. (It was sued on and a judge found the warning was needed.) Why? It seems roasted coffee beans contain Acrylamide and that causes cancer, at certain doses for a certain amount of time, in rats. So, I have to put a sticker on my office coffee pot because someone might use it to make coffee from roasted coffee beans. If so, that could be $2,500 for every exposure.

    Are ANY of these chemicals in cannabis vapor?
    https://oehha.ca.gov/proposition-65/proposition-65-list

    Yup. Lots of them. Lots more if it combusts on accident.

    [​IMG]
     
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  3. CosmoKramer

    CosmoKramer Well-Known Member

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    so the labeling on the Pax 3 box that says "this product contains chemicals known to the state of california to cause cancer" refers to the future tense chemicals that will be in the product from vapor? even though it says "this product contains".. the phrasing clearly makes it seem like the chemicals, whether harmful or not, are in the vaporizer itself- not just created as a byproduct when it is used.
     
  4. lookhigh

    lookhigh FC member

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    On a bag of peanuts.
    WARNING may contain nuts. World gone crazy?
     
  5. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    I told you of the coffee maker. Same "clear and reasonable" warning is on it as you state--without care for verb tense.

    https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=59d31d2a-5f3c-413a-b762-05a82499c470
    https://www.dlapiper.com/en/us/insi...5-coffee-ruling-should-not-be-misinterpreted/

    I have no idea if Pax has a higher risk than any other vapes based on the cancer causing properties of any of its parts. But, I do know the warning required by CA law is everywhere to the point it is useless as a guide to assessing any risk.

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    But, that does not mean you don't have a point. The warnings changed in August 2018 to deal with exposure and not what the item contains. Your warning seems dated. Could it have been printed before August 2018?
    https://oehha.ca.gov/proposition-65/crnr/notice-adoption-article-6-clear-and-reasonable-warnings
    leads to https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/crnr/art6regtextclean090116.pdf (Bold is mine.)
    (e) “Consumer product exposure” means an exposure that results from a person’s acquisition, purchase, storage, consumption, or any reasonably foreseeable use of a consumer product, including consumption of a food.​
    ...

    § 25603. Consumer Product Exposure Warnings – Content. (a) Unless otherwise specified in Section 25607.1 et seq., a warning meets the requirements of this subarticle if it is provided using one or more of the methods required in Section 25602 and includes all the following elements: (1) A symbol consisting of a black exclamation point in a yellow equilateral triangle with a bold black outline. Where the sign, label or shelf tag for the product is not printed using the color yellow, the symbol may be printed in black and white. The symbol shall be placed to the left of the text of the warning, in a size no smaller than the height of the word “WARNING”. (2) The word “WARNING” in all capital letters and bold print, and: 7 (A) For exposures to listed carcinogens, the words, “This product can expose you to chemicals including [name of one or more chemicals], which is [are] known to the State of California to cause cancer. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.” (B) For exposures to listed reproductive toxicants, the words, “This product can expose you to chemicals including [name of one or more chemicals], which is [are] known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.” (C) For exposures to both listed carcinogens and reproductive toxicants, the words, “This product can expose you to chemicals including [name of one or more chemicals], which is [are] known to the State of California to cause cancer, and [name of one or more chemicals], which is [are] known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.” (D) For exposures to a chemical that is listed as both a carcinogen and a reproductive toxicant, the words, “This product can expose you to chemicals including [name of one or more chemicals], which is [are] known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.” (E) Where a warning is being provided for an exposure to a single chemical the words “chemicals including” may be deleted from the warning content set out in subsections (A), (B), (C) and (D). (b) An on-product warning may be provided using all the following elements: (1) The symbol required in subsection (a)(1). (2) The word “WARNING” in all capital letters, in bold print. (A) For consumer products that cause exposures to a listed carcinogen, the words, “Cancer - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.” (B) For consumer products that cause exposures to a listed reproductive toxicant, the words, “Reproductive Harm - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.” (C) For consumer products that cause exposures to both a listed carcinogen and a reproductive toxicant, the words, “Cancer and Reproductive Harm - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.” (c) A person providing an on-product warning pursuant to subsection (b) is not required to include within the text of the warning the name or names of a listed chemical. NOTE: Authority cited: Section 25249.12, Health and Safety Code. Reference: Sections 25249.6 and 25249.11, Health and Safety Code.​
     
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  6. Cannabiker

    Cannabiker Well-Known Member

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    A couple of PAX reps came to one of our local dispensaries yesterday with a laser-etcher to decorate customers' PAX devices. I brought in my slightly-distressed PAX 3, and they freshened it up with a beautiful Douglas Fir. They were also giving out free Eras with a cartridge purchase, so I picked one up and had them etch one of their stock Phil Lewis designs.

    Unfortunately, they wouldn't print the message I really wanted on my PAX--they said it was profane. I don't know, personally I think "Fuck Combustion" is a positive, uplifting message, but I guess it doesn't fit in with the upscale-tech corporate image.

    [​IMG]IMG_2829 by Pedaling with Grace, on Flickr
     
  7. arthritisbites

    arthritisbites Well-Known Member

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    That’s beautiful!!! Thanks for sharing!
     
  8. lookhigh

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    Fuck combustion.
    I feel sooooo offended every time i look at my favorite site.:rolleyes::mental:
     
  9. loug

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    The folks at Pax have lost their collective mind - was going to order Pax accessories just now but found that for a total order of less than $10, MINIMUM shipping charge is more than $16! This for something that could easily be sent in a business envelope for less than a buck...
     
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  10. Skunkport

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    Don't know if this is true, but post saying the Pax 3.0 app update is fucking them up and I checked google play, bunch of complaints over last couple of days
     
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  11. loug

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    Well, I emailed the Pax folks through their website questioning the exorbitant shipping charge. Took 4 days to get a reply (as opposed to 3 days the last time). The reply was that "the company is not responsible for the shipping charge - it's because of State Regulations" (?).

    Sounds a bit specious to me but they did send 3 free screens so I guess I can't complain too much. I'm not as enthusiastic about Ploom (or whatever they're calling themselves now) between the dodgy switch on the Pax 2, the non-replaceable battery and the inflated shipping charges for accessories.

    Also, I PM'd Ojan_at_Pax about this and never got a reply...

    As much as I like my Pax, I'm starting to like my Tera a bit better.
     
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  12. arthritisbites

    arthritisbites Well-Known Member

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    Pax3 was my very first vaporizer. I haven’t touched it in two years since I’ve gotten the mighty. I realize they are two totally different animals in terms of size, But Pax3 just gets too hot too quick to be comfortable. I keep it as an emergency back up at this point.
     
  13. loug

    loug Well-Known Member

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    Are you running it at level 4? I've never noticed my Pax 2 getting especially hot - I use it at level 2 and it gets me as high as I need to be...
     
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  14. arthritisbites

    arthritisbites Well-Known Member

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    I think the issue is more back to back use…It takes 4 to 6 rounds for me to medicate, I think it’s just too much for the little guy
     
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  15. Jill NYC

    Jill NYC Portable Hoarder

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    Yeah, after 2 back-to-back sessions, it definitely starts to get uncomfortable to hold. If you regularly use 4+ rounds, this isn’t the right vape for your usage.
     
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  16. arthritisbites

    arthritisbites Well-Known Member

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    And that’s exactly what I realized. It’s a beautiful machine for lighter usage, But not for my purposes ;)
     
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  17. Papa Woody

    Papa Woody "The vapor is strong with this one"-Obi Onda Woody

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    Use one of these silicone sleeves...

    https://www.puffitup.com/VaprCase-Vaporizer-Case-p/vapr.vc2.htm

    I routinely use 410-420F and the silicone sleeve gets warm but never uncomfortable...
     
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  18. chopus

    chopus New Member

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    I'm considering grabbing the Pax 3 after being slightly disappointed with the Davinci Miqro.
    I'm kinda concerned about the plastic around the oven though so I'm looking for some info about that:
    1) does the plastic around the oven get hot during operation? Does it emit any smell whatsoever when the vape is running emtpy?
    2) what about the half pack lid? It seems like there's straight up a piece of plastic inside the oven alongside the herb when using it this way, does that ever get hot and/or smell?
    3) does using the aftermarket metal spacer eliminate the issue mentioned in question 2?
     
  19. Larrytargeteye

    Larrytargeteye Vapin' stevens

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    I'd honestly go for convection vape if I was doing it all over again.if I could get a friend to buy the pax off me I'd get a mighty.
     
  20. chopus

    chopus New Member

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    I agree, I'm considering getting some convection vape for home or for trips where I can put it into a bag or something.
    But for everyday use I'd like something that I could just put into a tight jeans pocket and go out, and be able to share it with people who are used to smoking spliffs. The PAX seems perfect for that kind of use case, but the plastic thing is bothering me which is why I'm asking about it.
     
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  21. lookhigh

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    I prefer the PAX over convection.
    Convenience and size are important to me.
     
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  22. chopus

    chopus New Member

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    Can anyone comment on the plastic issue?
     
  23. Jill NYC

    Jill NYC Portable Hoarder

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    I haven’t noticed any plastic flavor at all. Even with nothing in it. I don’t recall the half pack ever getting overheated, but I don’t usually open it up right after a session.
    I do highly recommend getting the pusher as it works better than the half pack. Sometimes I even use it with the half pack when I just want a few hits.
     
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  24. Cannabiker

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    My half-pack lid melted. I contacted PAX, and they told me that's not possible under normal use. I assured them I was using it as normally as I know how. In one email they told me that the entire inside of the oven should have weed in contact, which seems contrary to the role of the half-pack lid.

    The Newvape pusher/lid/screen setup fixed the problem. It's made of proper materials, and it's a definite performance upgrade.

    The other plastic used in the PAX doesn't seem to have any issue, including smell.

    [​IMG]IMG_2494 by Pedaling with Grace, on Flickr
     
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  25. Larrytargeteye

    Larrytargeteye Vapin' stevens

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    Theres definitely no plastic smell,I'm assuming it's totally safe and been tested.in regards to the pax pusher and upgraded bottom screen, I dont use the upgraded screen be cause when I stir the bowl loose material gets under the screen and into the vapor path and my mouth and I hate it so use the original screen and to be honest i dont notice any change in air flow resistance
     
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