Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by stickstones, Dec 2, 2012.
I found the bit about it being usable in any orientation interesting. Thanks for the great photos!
My first hit was straight from the box with the P2 empty. Yes, I was risking my life if there had been some manufacturing residue to burn off, but there wasn't. A dry inhale was tasteless. When I finally hit it with a load, I found the draw unrestricted no matter how hard you pulled, but to make it work I used LB techniques. Like the LB, if you hit it too hard it cools down too much for vapour production.
The trench is tiny, maybe half the size of the LB trench. Filled to the shoulders it's about .08-09 g. It's too early to be sure, but I suspect that people looking for cloudy big hits will not be satisfied with the P2.
The taste is great, pure flavour from the first hit onwards. I really want to live with it for a while before I get into details though.
Nice, sounds like a promising start. It does seem to me (a novice) that this is battling for that coveted MLFB crowd. The design is what got me staring at it. I like visible clouds that I can feel so I dont know if its for me (own a Pax), nonetheless its a wavy design.
glad to see you got it, pak! i was about to ask you about it. i was told it was made to hit looking down with the trench on the bottom, so I'll be interested to hear if you notice it working better in any particular orientation. i suppose it would only work in any direction if it were fully packed.
I need to experiment but I think it will work in any orientation with less than a full load, but perhaps not as effectively. To be honest, it's hard to conceive of putting in much less than a full load, it'd be teeny. Here's a trench comparison with the LB:
You can see it's narrower, shorter, and only about half as deep. I just reloaded with about half a trench and I plan to use this load only in non-standard orientations.
is the palm 2.0 being sold officially? just saw it on vapornation for $110
Interesting. I thought OF and I had the only ones. I can put it on my cart and it doesn't warn me it's not in stock. I wonder what happens if you actually check out.
I've held back posting about my Palm 2.0 until I have a chance to ask TherealVaporblunt some questions. He's been devoting time over the holidays to his family, hence the delay. I've used the P2 enough to say that it works for me. Although the small trench size won't satisfy some users, it's the reason that the P2 excels at conserving. The P2 also delivers excellent flavour.
I have yet to do battery life tests and I don't know what the stock batteries are. I thought they might be HSD because there was a caution to charge them before use, and LSD batteries usually come charged. When I did a refresh & analyze I was surprised that the capacity was only 2054 mAH, which made me think they actually are LSD. Sure enough, when I let one of them sit for a week it lost only 106 mAH. While they work, I get better performance with a Powerex Imedion 2400, and you can easily char the load with a Powerex 2700. It's almost too much.
Yes, it is for sale. I gave OF and pak the first units from the production line. I will be back to work on Monday, sorry for the delay but I needed a vacation!!
The new design definitely strengthens the name "Palm" if you know what I mean? I like how compact this little guy looks.
I know the size of hits don't mean EVERYTHING, BUT how are the size of the hits? Also compared to the first palm
IMO just fine, great even. A bit thicker on average than MFLB I think? Much improved over Palm 1 which I never could control well.
Have you tried it upside-down... wonder if it would work good enough attached to a bubbler...
Never upside down, but I bet it works. As it is, I usually use it 'on edge' (screen vertical), the upper screen holds the load in place just fine.
Just for you, I tried it upside down. Awkward, to say the least, and even though the trench was pretty full, it didn't work too well. I got some vapour but it was pretty weak.
I can't compare it to the P1 but I think it's on a par with the LB. I don't think it's much better or much worse. It's like the LB in that you can coax a large hit from it if you know what you're doing, but again I think people who want or need large hits will probably not be satisfied with this device. Its strengths lie elsewhere.
well that's that then hahaa... thanks for the test... based on the dry rips you get, do you think w/ a whip it would work out good enough... i'm just curious of its capabilities... so far it seems capable..
So lets see when it comes, that USPS is slow. Will it be good like the box, looks more ergonomic to use. I'll see when it gets here.. Liking my mflb lots, so I cannot wait to try this vape.
OF or Paka do you know when you are going to post a review? I am really curious to read your review and am also wondering how long the battery lasts. Essentially i want to compare the Palm 2.0 with the FlashVape. Currently i am debating between the Palm 2.0, FlashVape, and the Cera. Personally i really would like to get the Cera but it is kinda pricey and is not out yet. The FV got a great review and it looks nice but is a bit big. I think i am going to order the (Palm 2.0) or FlashVape as they are out and i am in need of one. Thanks in advance and i appreciate all your reviews.
First off, Arrr, welcome to the Forums. I hadn't planned on writing a review for you, please don't wait on me for that. To answer your battery life question, Palm's battery is plenty long for normal uses. Two bowls per charge seems easy enough, but it's very easy to swap the battery when you stop to reload. Nothing to worry about there.
I get the feeling you're new to vapor? That being the case, Cera is the best for that (most 'new user friendly' of the lot IMO). If price or delivery eliminate that choice, and you're not a vapor champ already, I'd advise against FV as a first vape.....as I just did on another thread. Like learning to ride motorcycles on a super bike. Not impossible, but smart guys will learn on a less powerful vape. Give the FV two or 3 seconds to get away from you and you'll be very very sorry....that fast. It is a tool for experienced vaporists IMO. Learn about vapor with the Palm, a MFLB, a stem vape, a VG or any of a number of temperature controlled units. Trying to use a 'high spirited' user temperature controlled guy like the FV when you don't even understand the effects of different temperatures is sure to not work well.
I've been delaying posting much about the Palm 2.0 because I'm waiting for some information from TherealVaporblunt.
OF is right about learning with a FlashVAPE, it's a tricky business. It isn't a pocket vape but it is easily carried. The P2, on the other hand, is easily concealed in one hand, even small hands like mine. It also has a learning curve although it is easier to tame than the FV. I have no experience with the Cera but it is somewhere in the middle in portability and I gather it has almost no learning curve.
Both the P2 and the FV are pulse heating vapourizers, meaning that they are heating only when you push the battery/button. Both heat up quickly but the FV has much more power and takes precision in order to avoid combustion, which is why it is tough for beginners. As soon as you stop applying power, both cool off quickly. This makes them efficient "one-hitter" style devices. They are conduction designs so the load is vapourizing only when you are applying power. The Cera requires a longer warmup and is designed to keep heating until switched off. Because it is a convection design, it isn't heating the load except when drawing, however it is not a device you can pull out for a quick stealth hit the way you can with the other two.
For me the biggest virtues of the P2 are the flavour it delivers and its ability to conserve. The taste is pure from the first hit right up until the load is finished. For example, I had a load that I kept hitting and hitting until I wondered if it would ever be done. At hit 12 I opened the P2 to look at the load and it was nearly black—but it still tasted fine. The P2 trench is tiny (which is why it conserves so well) so 12 hits is a lot for a trench. The down side for those who seek thick vapour or need a lot quickly is that this little trench isn't likely to give it to you.
I actually haven't tracked battery usage because it hasn't seemed like an issue. The tiny trench is easy on battery life. I'll try to do a proper battery life test at some point, but I think you can get three trenches easily, and I'll be surprised if I can't get at least four from the stock batteries. The specs for the stock batteries are part of the information I'm waiting on, but I suspect these are 2250 mAH LSD batteries, meaning they are not particularly powerful. I've tried more powerful batteries in the P2 and they require more care and shorter power-on times to avoid combustion.
Leaving aside the Cera, since it's not yet available and I have no experience with it anyway, the P2 is smaller, lighter, and easier to learn than the FV. Both give you superb taste. The P2 lets you conserve easily but is not a thick vapour device, while the FV can give you big hits with practice and can be frugal too if you use small loads. Both devices are great value for the price. I wouldn't recommend against either of them, but I can't tell you which one would suit you better because I'd need to know more about your requirements.
OF and Paka thank you for your responses i hope my post did not come off as rude as that was not my intent. I have been reading these forums for the past 2 weeks and i appreciate what you guys do and yes I am new to the portable vapor scene. I think i am going to order the Palm 2.0 tonight as i am looking for a Vap that can allow me to take 2-3 hits real quick and without much vapor. When the Cera actually comes out i will probably order one of those as well as it looks great and its the same shape as my E-ciggs. Thanks again guys i really appreciate it.
You're very welcome, glad to help if I can, and I'm confident Pak feels the same way. Questions are good.
I think you'll be very happy with the P2 as a 'first vape'. It takes some learning, but won't get you in trouble in the process (most likely).
I wouldn't discount Cera. I was just over there, the ceramic parts are in, it's going to be a very happy Valentines day......
A while ago, TherealVaporblunt offered me a Palm 2.0 to try. Since I'm the guy who put together the MFLB Vaporpedia entry, he thought my views would be interesting. I don't really want to do a point-by-point comparison, but it is time that I posted a few observations about my experience with the Palm 2.0.
The P2 is a good pocket portable that has some things I love and some that drive me crazy. It is positioned head to head with the MFLB and some think it is actually a knockoff. It isn't. The Dragon Lite is a knockoff. The P2 uses some of the same design elements but in a different way. Magic-Flight has filed a patent application and I have no idea whether they feel the P2 infringes. For what it's worth, I would not use a Dragon Lite on principle, but I'm comfortable using the P2. So that's morals out of the way.
In terms of size, the P2 is slightly larger and heavier, but they're close enough that it doesn't matter. In terms of materials, the P2 uses acrylic and ceramic where the LB uses wood . They both use stainless steel mesh screens for the vapourizing trench.
The trenches are similar in shape but not in size. The P2 trench is tiny, about half the size of the one in the LB. This makes it a terrific conservation device, but at the cost of cloud production. You can coax a big hit from the P2 but it isn't easy, and the small load means you won't get many of them. A really full trench of finely ground is about .07 g, but a more typical load for me is about .05 g. From this I will get about 12-15 standard hits of 3 second warmup and 8 micro-hits a second apart. I can get this many because the flavour is wonderful from start to finish. The flavour from the P2 is outstanding.
One thing I like about the P2 is the top screen, which allows you to hit it from almost any orientation. I've hit it completely upside down just to try it, and it works poorly, as you'd expect. Even if the trench is full, most of the load falls away from the screen so there's little vapour production—but there is some. At other angles, it works fairly well, and I often use it in what I call the pipe position, with the trench vertical and battery at the top so it's easier to press.
Something I don't like is the pushback ring. It really pushes back, so you need a firm press to make contact. To complicate things, it's not easy to see the light in most orientations. Since the stem (lid?) is clear acrylic, it would have been simple to see in the pipe position except the Palm 2.0 logo is embossed right where it obscures the light. The upshot is that I often feel insecure about whether I'm pressing hard enough. (Fortunately you can see vapour flowing through the stem, which is another cool feature of the P2.) Other peeves: the ring isn't removable so you can't replace it, and to top it off, the hole in it isn't large enough to accommodate the Magic-Flight power adaptor.
I have some other nits to pick: the battery is loose in its chamber and will fall out unless you're careful. The stem tip comes off easily and usually falls off in my pocket. When you place the P2 so that the trench is level for loading, the bottom is rounded so it won't stand on its own.
The P2 seems to function well on lesser batteries than the LB. The stock batteries seem to be 2250 mAh, which I thought was low until I tried high capacity batteries in it. It performs admirably with the Powerex Imedion 2400, but the Powerex 2700 makes the P2 tricky to use, and my standard hit reaches combustion. The only way I could use the P2 with the 2700 was to reduce the number of micro-hits to 5. The MFLB beta battery almost turns the P2 into a lighter, so I didn't really try to use it beyond the first attempt.
I think the P2 is an excellent choice for flavour and conservation, with stealth that matches the LB. Anyone considering the LB for purchase should also consider the P2. Those seeking large hits or quick intake should look elsewhere.
Thank you very much Pak, your opinions mean a lot to me. I appreciate you being so honest, I think having you as a tester was a great idea. Thanks to Sticks for the recommendation.
Sticks has sent me a PM requesting that I start releasing true beta units so that I can actually make changes based on feedback. That is kind of a slippery slope for confidentiality, but I am intrigued by the concept. Do not be surprised to see all of your feedback in the palm 3.0 next year
Paka or any other palm 2.0 owners could you please explain how you hold your palm when drawing. I received my palm last night and packed it 3x and did not get as medicaded as i would have liked. I am not sure if i am doing something wrong or if this is all i able to get out a vap like the palm. I do have a 2400 battery however it did not work with my palm do i need to do something to the battery? I am going to give the palm another try tonight but i am thinking about returning it. Any advise is appreciated.
I hold mine in several positions, but until you can get it working for you I recommend holding it so the trench is horizontal and level with the ground. This will keep the load in contact with the heating screen. Hold the battery in and draw slowly. Watch for vapour flowing through the stem. You might want to read the Usage & Technique section of the MFLB Vaporpedia entry. What is your previous experience with vapourizers? Do you normally need thick vapour?
A 2400 mAh battery is fine but it has to be stripped like the stick batteries. Did you remove the label?