Omicron modified e-cigs

[Orestes]

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Omicron
Ime-O


A dispensary called 'Suite 215' in the san fernando valley is selling modified e-cigs that use proprietary cartridges purportedly filled with some blend of plant matter, concentrates, and flavoring. Information is sparse for some reason; The place might have been closed down by sneaky legislation or something.
stupid sciency page; omicron listed under 'products'
but:

Omicron $140
Thc gold cartridges $55 per 78% thc tested 80 hits average.
Sativa Rose cartridges 7g 50 per. 200 hits

The omicron's price includes a cheap, $40 cartridge. But if you dont know e-cigs, you won't recognize the omicron from the videos as a Joye 510 eGo, possibly modded; regardless, the ego goes for like $40 with a bit of kit included.

But the Ime-O was last priced at $220 for a starter kit. It's clearly a $80 GGBT. Voltage is variable-- by battery choice.

I'm curious about the cartridges. I bet they're just some controlled liquid distillation of plant matter and concentrates in a glycol suspension. Which means they must be extremely cheap to produce.


The good news is that these look like great products from reviews and such, so I can save myself the hellish drive to the valley and work something out myself. Knowing me Orestes, knowing you Omicron. Aha!

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

I'd love to hear more on this....I'll be visiting one of the first dispensaries in my state when it opens soon, and I would like to propose this type of item to them!

 

[Orestes]

I'd love to hear more on this....I'll be visiting one of the first dispensaries in my state when it opens soon, and I would like to propose this type of item to them!

I know a few dispensaries that would probably sell the unit at cost if an outside vendor took care of the cartridges, which could probably be sold quite cheaply, too. Seriously, these are what every medical patient wants. They are for personal, unobtrusive medicating. I want one. Right now. Which is why I'm on this forum and not sleeping.

 

[lwien]

Suite 215 has a GREAT reputation here in SoCal. There's only a handful that do, and Suite 215 is one of them.

 

[OhTheAgony]

I came across their website when I was doing my e-cig research a few months ago. Recognised the Ego right away and decided to stay clear from them. Didn't really like the sterile looking website either to be honest.

I am very happy with my Ovale Ego T though, would love to try some of there juices in it sometime just out of curiosity.

 

[stonemonkey55]

just planting the seed.... VX Cumulus Atomizer from the creators of the Cloud

I happened to randomly meet one of the people that create the cartridges for these machines and am currently doing my due diligence on this topic. If anyone thinks there is something important for me to read that will further improve this field and make these machines better suited for cannabanoids, please email me directly at stonemonkey@vapexhale.com

 

[Lo]

Woot Stone! I've done a ton of research on the ecigs with MJ and a DIY version for us in non-MMJ states with frustrating results. I had some that worked BUT kills the atomizers due to the oils. I'll be curious to see what you discover!! My last thoughts were BHO type stuffs might be the missing link.

Test drive one for me please...tell me how I enjoyed it too please

 

[JDSupreme]

just planting the seed.... VX Cumulus Atomizer from the creators of the Cloud

I happened to randomly meet one of the people that create the cartridges for these machines and am currently doing my due diligence on this topic. If anyone thinks there is something important for me to read that will further improve this field and make these machines better suited for cannabanoids, please email me directly at stonemonkey@vapexhale.com

Shit dont worry too much about the cannabanoids, just develop a great hitting atty with great taste and vapor and you'll sell 1000's. IMO the attys currently available are all poop compared to the home-made one that was in my OG CJB (Carlos Juice Box) but they are no more

Someone with your technical know how could probably come up with something awesome. I have faith

 

[shortwind]

I like the idea of a e-cig for cannabis...but until they make one where I can either EASILY acquire the liquid filled cartridges or can use actual herbal material in one, or EASILY make my own liquid for the cartridge, I will have to wait. One of the things I love about the Magic Flight Launch Box is it uses herbal material. Perhaps a Magic Flight like device in a cigarette sized/shaped configuration...with the battery inside somehow, not poking out the side would be cool.

 

[Orestes]

Suite 215 has a GREAT reputation here in SoCal. There's only a handful that do, and Suite 215 is one of them.

Eh, they have a good rep for the valley... That doesn't actually say much. I know their bud is cheap and good, but that's not rare in the valley.

Charging such obscene prices for rebranded products labeled novel is utter horseshit. If they are still open (and it doesn't look like it) I will be calling them out in some form. It's utter usury, and probably the karmic source of 215's troubles.


Stonemonkey-- What is a vx cumulus atomizer from the creators of the cloud? I have not seen this atomizer and the name alone makes me curious. google reveals nothing.

In the upcoming weeks I will find some cheap way to medicate with an e-cig. possibly a vg or alcohol tincture.

Woot Stone! I've done a ton of research on the ecigs with MJ and a DIY version for us in non-MMJ states with frustrating results. I had some that worked BUT kills the atomizers due to the oils. I'll be curious to see what you discover!! My last thoughts were BHO type stuffs might be the missing link.

Test drive one for me please...tell me how I enjoyed it too please

green dragon/tincture--- I will try this out on monday or tuesday. The above result produces a highly concentrated alcohol suspension which should be totally safe for atomizers, and totally rich with thc.

One interesting question is, if the tincture is destined for atomization, would decarboxylation help or harm? Technically you don't need to convert thca to thc for smoking purposes, but I imagine a quick cook helps the trichs separate from the plant mass

 

[lwien]

Eh, they have a good rep for the valley... That doesn't actually say much. I know their bud is cheap and good, but that's not rare in the valley.

You motivated me to post up the following: http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=119179#p119179

Suite 215 didn't make this list because at the time I put up the poll, Suite 215 was shut down due to being raided, but prior to that, I heard that they were one of the best and had a steller reputation. Never personally visited it though.

 

[DaProfessor]

I've put a little thought into the e-cig possibilities since finding them. If we take into consideration current e-cig technology, I think we just have accept that cannabis extract will kill atomizers. It is an oil at STP. Making a vg/pg with cannabinoids mixed in is easy. I think redesigning the delivery method is what needs to be worked on. I was tempted to try, but I have some of my own projects to develop.

 

[OO]

does it kill the atty because the atty is in direct contact with the oil?

if that's the case, how hard would it be to make it passive-convection instead of conduction?

 

[stinkbud]

does it kill the atty because the atty is in direct contact with the oil?

if that's the case, how hard would it be to make it passive-convection instead of conduction?

Atomizers work best when they are wet.

 

[VaporNation]

I've heard this is possible, but I've never actually tried an e-cig that was filled with concentrate. I've been to Suite 215 in SFV a few times...not a bad place. But the real spots are GVC or NNCC...not far at all.

 

[wthanna]

Some sort of "drip" system where you can drip into a glass tube that is surrounded by a heating element or sitting on the atomizer might work.

 

[HiPi]

just planting the seed.... VX Cumulus Atomizer from the creators of the Cloud

I happened to randomly meet one of the people that create the cartridges for these machines and am currently doing my due diligence on this topic. If anyone thinks there is something important for me to read that will further improve this field and make these machines better suited for cannabanoids, please email me directly at stonemonkey@vapexhale.com

Well looks like your a new comer but hop on the bandwagon! I already started and many others as well!

 

[HiPi]

I've heard this is possible, but I've never actually tried an e-cig that was filled with concentrate. I've been to Suite 215 in SFV a few times...not a bad place. But the real spots are GVC or NNCC...not far at all.

it works well. Its just hard to expect people to make it themselves

 

[HiPi]

I've put a little thought into the e-cig possibilities since finding them. If we take into consideration current e-cig technology, I think we just have accept that cannabis extract will kill atomizers. It is an oil at STP. Making a vg/pg with cannabinoids mixed in is easy. I think redesigning the delivery method is what needs to be worked on. I was tempted to try, but I have some of my own projects to develop.

mmmhmmm well agreed. If you wanna start this as a project im sure stonemonkey55 would appreciate some extra mind im sure. This is a ouch gig to try when it comes to e-cig technology. we must totally redesign the delivery method for the most part OR do what im doin and making a work around

 

[HiPi]

After watching the omicron video it seemed like I felt like its a good idea but the THC gold you have to have to use the item seems really expensive, hard to make as well. i feel like buying such a simple item would require such a heavy dependency on the smoke shop or an at home lab to keep making the required material. Im all game for seeing/using/making an e-cig that can work off of bud or cannaghee/thc wax, thc oil.

 

[Revvy]

Now, my understanding of how atomizers work is limited to what I've read on wiki, but wouldn't adding an abrasive agent to the tincture work? Something that will work with the alcohol to dislodge resin build ups while being safe for inhalation and not altering the taste significantly. Is there such a substance? Is it even a feasible idea?

 

[VWFringe]

nice idea, won't work gotta make something completely different from what the guys on ECF are playing with...Genesis Atty, Pailpoe, Raidy, 510/901/801/603 just do not work with oil even in small amounts because oil "just sits there and burns" on the filiment wire, and quickly crusts over it preventing normal vaping.

plus you would be ingesting a lot more PG trying to ghost hits, or wasting actives on exhale. (non-racemic PG isn't cheap, and regular should be ingesting in small quantities)

a recent study showed such a small amount of nic gets into the blood stream - the quantity put into the juice is pretty massive if you were to smoke that juice instead of vaping it, the droplet size is too large to be absorbed by the lungs, so you get it through the back of the throat and mouth.

ever taken tictures? strongest one I could make I had to take a tablespoon for it to work...no way I can vape that much liquid.

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try adding THC and cannibinoids without oil, perhaps, but then you have a very expensive product...and how much of the actives will really be absorbed into your blood system?

I LOVE the idea, but you have to invent a ti-nail and globe that are self-powered and portable. it's gotta be completely different from the current e-cigs IMHO.

look at ultrasonic nebulizers also, they are made for essential oils, but i don't know how you would get the potency up since they also have to be diluted.

this all leads me to believe that inhaling isn't the best thing for THC and CBD's if it's not in smoke.
smoke is much smaller and can interact with the alviolii quickly leaving the actives behind while the ash is exhaled. (i'm not going back to smoking tho)


a better bet would be the breath-strips you put in your mouth, or some other way of making it bio-available quickly, like an enema. lol (guys in India stick a finger of hash up their butts and enjoy it all day i heard)

 

[OO]

this all leads me to believe that inhaling isn't the best thing for THC and CBD's if it's not in smoke.
smoke is much smaller and can interact with the alviolii quickly leaving the actives behind while the ash is exhaled. (i'm not going back to smoking tho)

while some ash is inhaled, most definitely, not all of it is.

and vapor particles are as small as you get, as it is a single molecule.

why don't you do a little research?

 

[VWFringe]

EDIT:

I was talking about e-cig vapor, not our vapor, I read that PG vapor droplet size is too large to get in between the alviolii


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-nicotine-absorption-addictiveness-maois.html

Smoke particle size : 0.1 to 1 micron; PG mist droplet size : 1 to 5 micron

found this study:
"Vaporization as a Smokeless Cannabis Delivery System: A Pilot StudyArticles"
doesn't mention vapor size, but it's obvious there isn't the problem with pot like there is with PG based e-juice - so i have to wonder if mixing weed with e-juice renders it somehow less bioavailable IF the information about PG vapor size and the lungs not absorbing nicotine is true.

Here's a link to an interview with a researcher of e-cigarettes who says e-cig juice is absorbed in the upper respiratory tract and not the lungs: http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/interviews/murray-interview-2.html

 

[OO]

does it kill the atty because the atty is in direct contact with the oil?

if that's the case, how hard would it be to make it passive-convection instead of conduction?

Atomizers work best when they are wet.

why?

Is it only e-cig vapor molecules that are bigger then?

ah, i see it now, i was reading a post on ECF where they wrote about "PG droplet size," not an absolute vapor droplet size:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-nicotine-absorption-addictiveness-maois.html

Smoke particle size : 0.1 to 1 micron; PG mist droplet size : 1 to 5 micron

when I wrote what i did above, I was thinking of smoke vs PG/VG which is the main carrier for e-cig e-liquids. I've been lazy, perhaps, reading on ECF and not looking at the actual studies, but several posts there have pointed to the idea that in the 1 to 5 micron range it's too big to get in between the alviolii.

How would i find info about vapor the way you said it, OO? (as in our vapor, not their's)

Thx,

EDIT: found this study:
"Vaporization as a Smokeless Cannabis Delivery System: A Pilot StudyArticles"
doesn't mention vapor size, but it's obvious there isn't the problem with pot like there is with PG based e-juice - so i have to wonder if mixing weed with e-juice renders it somehow less bioavailable IF the information about PG vapor size and the lungs not absorbing nicotine is true.

Here's a link to an interview with a researcher of e-cigarettes who says e-cig juice is absorbed in the upper respiratory tract and not the lungs: http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/interviews/murray-interview-2.html

vapor, by the definition used in chemistry (the one I use), refers to independant molecules that have overcome their attractive forces.

that's an interesting article, i like how it evaluates addictability based on a idea that i also base addictibility on, which is the length of time between taking a dose and satiation. the shorter the time frame, the more likely that addiction will occur, because your mind will more strongly associate the action with the reaction. it is possible that what he says is true, which is that the mist is too large to be absorbed through the aveoli, and instead are penetrating the bloodstream through the mucous membranes in the upper respritory tract.

unfortunately the idea is not mentioned that MAOI's may contribute to the overall addictiveness of cigarettes, which is an idea i see brought up over and over again. this in addition to the slow uptake of nicotene would be quit the feasible explanation as to why many who try e-cigs go back to analog.