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OEM Arizer Air Replacement Batteries

Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by CentiZen, Feb 12, 2015.

  1. CentiZen

    CentiZen Evil Genius in Training Accessory Maker

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    Hi there everyone, after many weeks of careful testing I'm happy to be able to provide genuine OEM Arizer Air cells to the community. I am procuring these cells directly from the manufacturer of the Air's "stock" cells as they are under no exclusivity agreement. Therefore, these cells are for all intents and purposes stock batteries, although I can make no guarantees about the validity of your warranty after using them.

    These cells are among the first on the market to use an innovative new IMR chemistry which allows them to have a higher capacity and more consistent discharge curve while staying safe and keeping a high discharge current. BAK advertises a 2150mAh capacity for these cells - and in testing they meter out to near exactly that. I need to stress just how incredibly rare it is for a manufacturer to even get close to hitting their advertised capacities - even reputable companies generally advertise number in 10 - 20% excess of their real world capabilities. BAK is one of the first companies I've seen who are willing to cut the bullshit, and I really appreciate that.

    For various reasons I cannot recommend the use of any other kind of battery in the Arizer Air. The battery environment is borderline abusive - very high drain current, high temperatures, extra-low cutoff voltage... it's just not a safe environment for most kinds of cells. These cells are specially designed to take the extreme conditions it is subjected to under operation - in fact these cells are pretty much impossible to damage electrically. The list of safety tests they have to past in batch QC is staggering:

    On the bright side though, any charger that is designed to work with Li-Ion batteries is going to be compatible with these cells, although most will only charge them to around 90% capacity. Please keep in mind that these batteries are not protected and should not be used in any unprotected devices!

    You can place your order at VapePower.ca.

    If I have missed anything, feel free to ask any questions you may have below!
     
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  2. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Excellent news indeed. In fact 'most excellent' IMO. About what was expected (at least by some), typical chargers will be 'safe' to use but will not give normal run times. Minor IMO if you have one already. OTOH, 10% is half a session (five or 6 minutes) and the left over half a session is not all that valuable. You might end up with 3 sessions per charge not 4?

    OTOH, substituting batteries, even well respected high performance ones is to be avoided. Lucky for us that while the factory battery isn't all that expensive really (and you don't need many), we now have an hombre giving us even a better deal (nearly half price)? How cool is that. And me with 3 factory batteries already.......

    Well done CentiZen! Thanks very much, very useful information, well worth the wait.

    OF
     
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  3. VANVAS

    VANVAS Well-Known Member

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    Thanks @CentiZen , i will order some for sure!!
     
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  4. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge

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    You're able to sell these for $11?!? Fantastic!
     
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  5. CarlosSpiceyWeiner

    CarlosSpiceyWeiner Well-Known Member

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    I also like what he said about using an external charger.
     
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  6. DJ Colonel Corn

    DJ Colonel Corn Well-Known Member

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    Awesome, just ordered 2 of them.
     
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    thesoloman Well-Known Member

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  8. DJ Colonel Corn

    DJ Colonel Corn Well-Known Member

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    The answer to that, @thesoloman , is a big NO.
    That there battery is only 5amp peak. Please do not use that battery in your Air, it won't perform and is risky.
    For the comments about Arizer's chargers we've been talking in the Arizer Air thread about it, and it appears Arizer's charger charges up to 4.25 volts rather than Nitecore's 4.20 volts. Considering the battery Arizer uses, that could be a factor allowing a longer-lasting quicker-heating-chamber action.
    Cuz the longer the battery retains the upper voltage, the quicker your heater will return to it's setting.
    I do have a question for @CentiZen , can we please know the 'c' value for these batteries ? It relates to the curve of how long they retain upper voltages. Would be really good to know, as a comparison with other batteries for my ecig, not my Arizer Air. For the Air I only use Arizer batteries, and now, going to use @CentiZen 's OEM Arizer batteries which I believe will not void my warranty.. ? Is that right, @CentiZen ?
     
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  9. Justpassedu

    Justpassedu Well-Known Member

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    Is it recommended to use that battery ? The answer is No and doing so will void your warranty. Saying the battery wont work is not true. I actually have a bunch of the Panasonic 18650's and i use them in other vapes and flashlights. They do work perfectly fine in the Air , i use them allot but i never run more than 3 sessions with them in there and always take them out before red light. They actually work very well for me and i know if i have a battery related problem my warranty is void if arizer wants to do so. So it is def. recommended to stick with what the stock battery or buy from CentiZen who really knows his stuff and is offering them at a great price. Personally he is charging what one of those panny cells would cost if not better and if its about saving only a few dollars , it is worth it to go with stock batteries. I almost always use the stock batteries , i only throw a panny in if i am going away or totally out of juice .
     
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  10. DJ Colonel Corn

    DJ Colonel Corn Well-Known Member

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    We're talking about the Air here, which draws up to 35 amps in DC power, running at about 1 ohm.
    You're pushing yer luck using 'em in the Air, and you won't get the high performance you get from a hi-drain battery which keeps its voltage in the upper values longer.
    I see you recommend using Arizer/CentiZen batteries. Good. Don't confuse people with saying 'it works, BUT...' because as you know safety is at hand here.
    Yes I use those 3400mAh jobs in my ecig mod as well, they are 5amp (my site says 6.8) peak.
    All the best.
     
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  11. Justpassedu

    Justpassedu Well-Known Member

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    I am going to message you but do strongly advice and agree with you to use only the batteries recommended by arizer which CentiZen sells at a great price.
     
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  12. CentiZen

    CentiZen Evil Genius in Training Accessory Maker

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    Minor correction here - the Air would be consuming in the order of 35 Watts. 35 amps would be incredible.

    The NCR18650B cells are not a complete wash in the air, but it's certainly not being recommended by me. A healthy and fully charged NCR18650B cell can support the draw currents required by the Air for a few cycles. The problem is that the output current can't support the drain as the capacity lowers, so after a few sessions you will find your vapor output is getting thinner as the cell starts hitting it's limitations. At some point after that it will keep trying to heat but just won't make any vapor.

    The Air is programmed with specific intention for higher drain cells, so it does not let off at all until the battery is drained to it's cut off voltage. It will cause significant long term damage to the cell if it is allowed to keep drawing from a cell that has dropped past it's ability to keep up with heater, and it's nearly impossible to detect without letting it happen.

    I'd love to just be able to sell the NCR18650B cells as Air cells and call it a day - I have hundreds of the things. But it's just not responsible to do that and it's just as irresponsible for me to pretend that it is a generally good idea in most situations. If your a power user and know what your doing (and are willing to accept the risks) you could probably make it work for a few cycles, but I'm not going to take any part in it.
     
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  13. VANVAS

    VANVAS Well-Known Member

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    Will i can charge these batteries with the arizer charger , yes?
    Edit: stupid question but i have to ask it
     
  14. DJ Colonel Corn

    DJ Colonel Corn Well-Known Member

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    Ha ha, yes, a typo/mistake/brain-fart. Sorry folks !
    Thanks for your input @CentiZen , we appreciate your generosity with the knowledge.
     
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  15. CentiZen

    CentiZen Evil Genius in Training Accessory Maker

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    yes, this charger will totally work.
     
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  16. VANVAS

    VANVAS Well-Known Member

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    Thanks!!
    Ordered a couple of them!!!
     
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  17. MechanicalENTgineer

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    First off, thank you @CentiZen for all of your battery tests and knowledge, but mostly for providing us with a cheaper option for buying stock batteries. Sadly I think the price will be the biggest factor people take into account when deciding to stock/non-stock batteries, but for $11 they are quite affordable!

    I have seen a lot of irresponsible/uneducated battery recommendations for the Air ("Buy a Sony VTR, 30A dude" or "Panasonic NCR18650B's have the most mAh so they are best") other places on the net and have been trying to do what I can to spread some awareness by sharing your graph and description of why these batteries that work well for e-cig applications are not necessarily the best for the Air. I think the fact that the Air looks so much like a mech mod and uses 18650s may lead people to this false assumption.

    I'm not quite sure how this system works, but I hope your two long posts here and the graph post in the main thread get onto the "Best of" thread for the Air because they are very informative and I think everyone who buys an Air should read them.

    I plan to buy 2 of your fine OEM batteries and a Nitecore I4 charger when I get the cash. Two stock batteries and using the Air's internal charging is working just fine for me right now.
     
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  18. VANVAS

    VANVAS Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad I bought these batteries !
    I think is a very good deal to us !
    With 3 units working with the AA , you think is good to take away ?? Yes i think!!!!:clap::clap::rockon::rockon: , i love this emoticon!! LOL :rockon::rockon:
     
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  19. SushiX

    SushiX San d'Orian Royal Heir

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    What is the model number of the battery? Would like to see some specs to see what's so different about them.
     
  20. Kief

    Kief Medicated

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    B18650CC
     
  21. Nytron

    Nytron Well-Known Member

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    Any active discount codes? Can't decide on getting one or two batteries.
     
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  22. VANVAS

    VANVAS Well-Known Member

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    Someone received the @CentiZen batteries??
     
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  23. sickmanfraud

    sickmanfraud Well-Known Member

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    I have read about all the advantages of using only Arizer or Centizen's batteries.

    I would like to know if there is any reason to buy the external battery charger from Arizer?
     
  24. CentiZen

    CentiZen Evil Genius in Training Accessory Maker

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    There is a benefit, whether it is really worth it is up to you. That charger is capable of charging a battery to a charge level slightly higher than that of a traditional Li-Ion charger, which gives you a bit more runtime. If you use a traditional unit you will probably get 90% of the charge you would get from the Arizer charger. There really isn't much of a difference outside of that.
     
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  25. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    hopefully will be copping an Air soon. will def place an order for these!
     
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