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Discussion in 'Vaporizables' started by bibblybobbly, Sep 8, 2015.

  1. blankexpression

    blankexpression Well-Known Member

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    The weed in the first picture is covered in trichomes granted, but just because its high in THC doesnt mean its going to be edgy.

    By growing your own you can research the strains that give you a balanced cannabinoid profile, something that has a healthy amount of CBD and THC is what youre after. Im smoking a strain called Smile at the moment. Its strong, but it has a healthy dose of CBD.

    When Ive just blasted a vaporiser of this stuff, the high hits you pretty hard but I can literally feel the CBD pulling me down again, and rounding off the high, its quite the ride.

    Unfotunately, unless you have somewhere in the sun to grow true Sativas outside youre unlikely to succeed in growing anything like the thai weed in the picture. True Sat's dont like indoor environments and they take AGES to flower, they get huge too. Thats not to say its impossible, but I wouldnt attempt growing anything like that and Ive been growing non stop for the last 5 years. Theyre incredibly fussy!

    Anyway, I realise Im preaching to the converted.

    I'll just leave this here; www.uk420.com

    Sign up, you know you want to :brow:
     
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  2. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    I guess that would depend who the farmer is. We have some excellent cannabis at the dispensaries and the cannabis farmers market that I go to in the area where I live. Folks that really know how to grow cannabis.

    I haven't been to any of the legal recreational shops here in WA.
    I'm a little curious how the rec bud is? I'm going to have to visit one now that the prices are a little lower. Thanks to our sister state of OR maybe the prices will go lower.
     
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  3. Silver420Surfer

    Silver420Surfer Well-Known Member

    @ragnorak71 -- Everytime I read your posts, I keep picturing that big-head avatar saying your words, it's messing with my head lol. Great pic
     
  4. blankexpression

    blankexpression Well-Known Member

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    Im in the UK my friend :) Most commercially grown weed is grown by shady fuckers without any care about the finished product, its all about the ££££ As soon as it looks like a bud its chopped, dried for about 2 days then bagged up and sold!
     
  5. Mr. Whitewall

    Mr. Whitewall Well-Known Member

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    I have lived in the UK for five years. I find people often used the term 'Skunk' as a blanket term for even non-Skunk varieties but just any and every weed that isn't outright 'Mexican'...I say it because I used to smoke Dutch-Belgian weed in my time, and it wasn't always referred to as 'Skunk' either, only if it actually was Skunk or a hybrid, etc...

    Personally, the stuff I could get a hold of at first in the UK was what you describe: 'beach skunk', buds soaked in water then rolled over sand to get more weight... Or ''Sugar Skunk' which would turn the ash of spliffs to a hard consistence, with a sort of sugary glaze over it...:puke: I mean, that poison could eventually put the joint out if you weren't smoking it fast enough!!
    It did the trick if you were desperate/got really drunk and didn't care to make a difference!...Sometimes I felt somehow glad it wasn't real weed or I'd be all over the place with the real deal! :rofl: But then again it made me wanna quit because it was a waste of money and it REALLY ruined my health...I heard a story of a guy who had lost a great amount of his left lungs' functionality because of that 'beach skunk'...

    Regarding the smokable stuff (at the tiem I didn't vape...) there were lots of 'cheese' strains around, mostly ranging from IMO 'overblown cheese' to ok gear. Same as Blueberry, apart from one or two INCREDIBLY notable exceptions. But those were tiny 10 quid deals anyway (altough enought to last a few days!!).
    Best 'skunk' weeds I found seemed to be locally sourced (which isn't surprising, given the amount of weed farms all over the place! :lol: ...Then again this isn't news in most of western countries nowadays apart from a few exceptions. :rofl:

    So, eventually I managed to find different sources which, in turn, had different types of what you guys are describing as 'mexican' weed or others. Indeed some strains might be mexican, but that pressed weed has many different names, origins and quality:

    The 'red ribbon weed' pic shown above is (from my experience) some of the best around of the average pressed stuff.
    This may fall into the 'Jamaican' type of weeds, there were many types and qualities here too, but they ranged from 'meh' to pretty good (very strong Jamaican herb!) to outright 'Western' style of weed (Skunks and the new breeds, etc) pressed into blocks as well!

    There is what is referred to as 'african' herb, which could be anything from Swazi (actually real african, like @subway13029's 'mexican' stuff) to Malawi gear or other, of varying quality. But usually below average, and even worse from what you can actually get in (IME western) Africa!
    This stuff wuold be what you guys refer to as the 'dry one with lots of seeds and stems'. It may have to do with the way it is smuggled or kept or both, which seemed to affect the overall quality of the weed.
    Although WTHK, it may even be Mexican after all :p..!

    Sometimes there was even thai sticks too, but those differ to what you guys refer...This stuff was INCREDIBLE, it tasted a lot like coconut, was incredibly smooth (to smoke :rolleyes:) had less seeds than the others too.
    I personally called it 'Summer night in Siam' to quote a song from The Pogues; not at all my style of music mind you, but sums up pretty well the mood it got you in!!!


    I agree that they gave a different effect than Skunk though...Best effect I got was to combine it with a nice beer or cider. Ther really made the Friday 'Beer & spliff' nights more satisfying.

    Oh yea, btw ROT IN HELL YOU SLIMY BEACH SKUNK/SUGAR DEATH SKUNK DEALERS (Sorry, I know it belongs in another thread)...

    PS: Sry for long rant, only slept 4h in two days...:freak:

    PPS: AFAIK, CBD strains have been developed in recent years by Spanish seed banks, according to an article in Soft Secrets magazine; 'the Cannatonic story' or something like that :p (long story short: they selected some specific plants from a specific US strain (NY Diesel?? ...Can't recall, sorry) and over time they saw some characteristics which, after further selection and some lab tests, resulted in in high CBD ratios or something of the sort...After that it was shared with different collectives and growers worldwide, but it doesn't naturally occur per se, it was a selected genetic trait).
     
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  6. bibblybobbly

    bibblybobbly Well-Known Member

    That totally belongs in this thread - it's kinda what I'm trying to say.

    I understand that the word "skunk" referrs to both an actual strain (amongst weed aficionados), and is a catch-all term for stinky, strong weed (in every day parlance). I named the thread in the spirit of that latter usage of the word. I also get that there are plenty of tasty, exciting, well-grown types of the light-green potent weed (first picture type) - for those in the know.

    Sadly I don't have any regular connects for this exotic stuff - I know some dudes who will drive round and drop you off a light bag of sugary crap for 25 quid, one or two tasty (expensive) hash connects, and I know a couple of guys who can get me the "African" weed I'm so fond of. So nobody I could trust to procure me any of the famous "high CBD strains" you mentioned.
     
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  7. Hashtag46&2

    Hashtag46&2 Trichome Technician

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    Hello BB:wave: I really want to contribute more to this thread, but it goes fairly deep into Cannabis Cultivation (More so Cultivars and Genetics) and that sort of talk is prohibited on this forum.

    I'd highly recommend checking out ICMAG, they have a whole website full of Cannabis info in the UK. There are LOTS of growers there.

    As someone else mentioned, the "Skunk" you are getting more than likely is harvested way, way too early, making for a very strong, racey, heart-pounding anxiety inducing head trip.

    This would correlate with the "unnatural" aromatics you are describing, most likely you are smelling un-cured(Chlorophyll) non-flushed (Residual Fertilizer(s)) that was bagged for sale without any regard or passion for the product.

    Especially if it is excessively moist and sticky as you describe.

    I'm glad you posted these comparative pictures... Up above, the Cannabis is more likely to grown indoors with the grower just waiting to chop it down and get it out, this variety will have a very high content of Delta-9 THC/ THC-A (THC-A is the pre-cursor to THC, the "A" represents that the THC is still locked up in its Acidic Carboxyl Group.

    The pot grown below... Is most likely grown outdoors with very little supervision, letting the plant mature until the THC levels are now degrading into CBN.

    THC is the precursor for CBN, creating a very mellow,sedative relaxing high.

    Pressing the plant + Heat (Bricking process) will further encourage THC degradation .
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    What you are experiencing is the expansion of growers in the UK,and legalization coming to fruition, like I mentioned, take a look at the UK section of ICMAG...many, many groups of growers nowadays.

    The import stuff is on a decline.... I haven't even seen Shwag/brick weed in over 8 years now.

    Most likely, the folks smoking Hash, are in fact smoking "Old World Import Hashish " that is derived fields of Landrace Sativas, this Hash is processed with heat from the blazing hot sun, and pressed thoroughly.

    Again, this encourages further Decarboxylation of the material, =Higher CBN content .

    I grow my own, so I'm in control of harvest, dry, and cure times.

    I do sometimes miss the "Brick" I was getting 8 years ago...

    50$ per zip, hardly any stems or seeds, and packed a huge punch considering it was brick weed.

    But, nothing beats a properly grown plant, drying and curing to perfection .

    Maybe you could try to put your "Skunk" in the oven at 220F for 30 minutes, and use a vice to create "makeshift" brick... This will degrade the super heady, trippy high THC content into a smoother, rounded body high.

    Hope this helps.


    Great post, I'd add more, but my DBV is beckoning.

    :peace:
     
  8. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for posting this bro, I'd been meaning to come back with a very long post detailing a lot of what you were saying there, excluding the parts that go too far into cultivation, but you've done a great job of that yourself and saved me the time! :)
     
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  9. peterpiper

    peterpiper (peter-ex-piper)

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    I used to think I was unlucky in that I couldn't get any skunk and could only get lebanese pollom but now I think I'm blessed!
     
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  10. ragnorak71

    ragnorak71 Well-Known Member

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    yeah I am not gonna tell a porky and claim I could have written that Hashtag, lovely post and you have most eloquently written some of the random neurons in my big old empty head

    top stuff
     
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  11. Hashtag46&2

    Hashtag46&2 Trichome Technician

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    Thank you @herbivore21 & @ragnorak71 :D



    G'day guys.

    Upon further inspection of the Thai bud wrapped in red string , my theory seems to be correct.

    Tap the pic to enlarge, zoom in and look closely at the (small) Trichomes, they are all Amber/gold..

    When harvesting cannabis, my ideal Trichome appearance / ratio is about 15-50% Amber Trichomes depending on the Genetic Profile.

    Amber and Gold Trichomes represent degradation of THC Content leading to high contents of CBN. (Sleepy, relaxing narcotic-like effect)

    One could take the exact same strain, even clones from the same plant.

    Grow one until the Trichomes are all Clear, some being "cloudy" or white, this will contain very high content of THC, creating a very intense head high, and could possibly induce anxiety even Psychosis depending on the Cultivar.

    Let the same plant keep maturing until the Trichomes are all "Milky" or all white, this too will have a high content of THC, but not as intense as clear Trichomes..some consider this the perfect high, but I find it lacks the the sedative quality and body effects that I personally find most useful. But this is a great "Daytime High" most often causing the giggles, and a grin from ear to ear.

    Let it mature even further, and we get the CBN I've been speaking of with all Trichomes on the outer structure of the Flower being Amber or Gold, this will induce sleep, reduce anxiety and create the "Couch lock" effect.

    Example of Amber dominant Trichomes

    Blueberry Afghan AKA Blughanni..

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    This ^^ is outdoor with close supervision ... Took it this far on purpose to obtain my Insomnia meds.

    Now an example of all white,or "Milky" Glandular Heads (Trichomes)

    Lavender Kush

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    Perfect for days at low temperatures, even better at night with higher temperatures.

    Example of 25% Amber 60ish% Milky and 15ish% clear Heads..

    The Truth

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    All three varieties carry specific characteristics due to the maturity levels of the Glands, ultimately controlling what affects each Cultivar may provide.

    Hopefully this helps folks understand how Trichomes determine the effects of any given strain.
     
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  12. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Bro those trichomes on the blueghani!!!! I wanna try that out!

    Reminds me of some outdoor mango x mullumbimbi madness that I used to get, some of the most trich covered bud I ever had! Very amber though but also some crazy flavor! Those complex terps really develop if they are allowed to run their course!
     
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  13. snamuh

    snamuh ghost

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    didn't read the whole thread, but i feel you on the brick weed. If It were clean like the hi grade I would use it.

    the red string weed is just weird, haha... freaky that there's string in it, lol...

    hi grade weed feels pointless for me to use on most occasions.

    in the perfect world I'd have high cbd strain with less than 3% thc for my main choice, a strain that is 1:1, and a strain with high thc (both indi and sat) for shitty movies and mainstream media haha.
     
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  14. HomeFree

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    Anyone else wish they hadn't thrown away all those seeds? :D Some of that cannabis had a great effect.

    I tried to get some brick 10 or 15 years ago for cheap edibles when I had no trim and couldn't find any. Honestly I don't know if it is around, and there is $100 zips in town in any case that are far better quality than those old $40-50 oz brickweed.

    I would go with the high quality stuff personally. Just have a few inhales. I'm sure I have inhaled mold and other nasties from brick, and don't think I suffered any consequence, but why expose yourself. Last time I got brick it was black. I thought it was mold at the time (now I think it purpled). Lots of $$$ went into the compost pile. No way I would use black cannabis.
     
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  15. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Man if the seeds from that red string material came to fruition, they could turn out quite good!

    I can say for sure that the material that I commented on being badly handled etc would actually not be too bad if it were handled carefully, cured and stored properly and produced in a well controlled environment. There's reasonable trich coverage like @Hashtag46&2 says and given how brutally it looks like it's been handled, that is something!
     
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  16. weenstoned

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    Man this thread bums me out and makes me feel like a spoiled Canadian. Y'all should move here where grams are like 2.5-5 GBP each. Also no one sprays shit with sand or rubs it in sugar, and cannabis is allowed to mature fully.
     
  17. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Man you are so right, I'd love to move to your beautiful country! :D

    In my country, the situation is quite similar to the British situation in many ways sadly, we probably have even less access on the whole to good quality material than they do! Hash is almost non-existent here.
     
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  18. ragnorak71

    ragnorak71 Well-Known Member

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    hang on old chap, no need to go to extremes here. move to Canada indeed lol
     
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  19. bibblybobbly

    bibblybobbly Well-Known Member

    I've since discussed this with a few people who include biology experts and long-time growers. It has generally been in agreement with what @Hashtag46&2 says; that the issue is about cultivation. So I just wanted to share my recent thoughts.

    In the UK, the attributes of:
    • thick fluffy buds
    • lack of seeds
    • light green hue
    • high trichrome coverage
    are usually only found on weed that's been grown hastily for the domestic black market. It has been carefully attended to, regularly fed, illuminated with high-power lights; if not to produce a fantastic quality weed, but to make it grow fast and efficiently. Often it doesn't get properly flushed, it's fed chemicals to boost yield, and so on.

    By contrast, most of the weed out there that doesn't have high THC ratios (that me and my ilk seek out) is foreign; meaning that it's usually outdoor grown with little supervision. It has
    • loads of seeds/stems
    • darker green
    • fewer trichomes
    • a more 'herby' garden smell
    • or it's hashish:worms:
    I believe my initial confusion stemmed from the differences in weed culture between the UK and US. The US's increasingly open policies towards weed has provided the freedom for a more legitimate market to develop. This has allowed cultivators to breed an exciting variety of strains to cater to everybody's wants, which must meet the quality controls and standards of a legitimate market. Consequently, even the more CBD-oriented strains still get all the love and attention that allows them to flourish into thick-budded, light green, A-class specimens.

    It's like a black swan thing - if all you ever see is scrawny outdoor weed having the high-CBD properties that you like, you wouldn't expect that light green fluffy weed can be that way too. But it seems that the "skunky" look is just what a healthy, cared-for, non-wild cannabis plant should look like, and it doesn't necessarily reflect its psychoactive properties at all.
     
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  20. sativasam

    sativasam NO SMOKING

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    I'd like to chip in seeing as I feel there is some confusion here...

    The following quote is from cannabis.info - I think it explains things quite well...

    Today in the UK 'skunk' is a general term for seedless high THC containing Cannabis. The general use of the name 'Skunk' is inaccurate in terms of genetic description but helps in terms of distinguishing this modern from of cannabis from what I will call 'weed' or 'high grade'

    Jamaican's smoke High-Grade weed. Typical modern stoners using their eyes will say it looks like 'bush weed' or 'shwag'; but smell this stuff and it smells sweet and fruity. Look closer and you will see that it is actually quite buddy and often sensi (seedless). It is grown outdoors, and may look like bush weed at a glance but real 'High-Grade" is highly sought after. It is far from bad quality and many Jamaican's will not even sell it to Whitey.

    In the UK it is common to find Thai weed of a similar high-grade quality to Jamaican High-Grade, with its own distinctive chocolatey smell. Obviously you can also get very poor quality Jamaican and Thai weed. In the last few years I have noticed many people selling shit African weed and trying to pass it off as Thai by throwing some red thread in the bag. I was in Africa a few years ago and while having smoked some serious seedy bush weed, I also came across some real high grade. It may not look like "Girl Scout Cookies" or whatever new strain is being sold in the US or Holland, but real high grade has lineage and history going way back, and is not to be dismissed as shit. It is of high quality. Any real cannabis enthusiast should now this. It is high grade plants like these that are behind strains such as 'Skunk no.1'.

    All the famous import hash in Amsterdam is made from outdoor bred 'weed' plants that are by no means of the modern Skunk variety. Hashish from Morocco, Nepal, Afghanistan etc all have famously distinctive and delicious tastes depending on the plants and process used, and are obviously of very high quality; even though the weed they are made from is not. Hash is often made when the quality of cannabis is low but the quantity is high. I say this to highlight the fact that even the worst weed can turn into a butterfly!

    What I have noticed when vaping low quality 'weed', is that the vaporisation extracts the good stuff, (especially at low temps) and the taste is beautiful. Somewhat like a fine Moroccan Pollen. Even if when smelling or smoking the weed itself smells like cabbage.

    Yes sometimes you can get shit, seedy weed, but all those that turn their nose up at REAL high-grade have got some learning to do.

    Yes the high is different. Thankfully it is milder and often more pleasant. We don't all want to trip balls every time we get high. Apart from the high being more pleasant, the taste is unique and flavoursome. If you haven't tried cannabis that looks like African weed but smells like 'Skunk' then I'm sorry but you haven't lived.

    My own personal stash of high grade looks not too dissimilar to the original poster's stash of Thai. My weed is fruity, sweet and resinous; and speaks of history well beyond the life span of any human being alive today. Here it is, don't turn your nose up; it really is top quality!

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  21. seaofgreens

    seaofgreens My Mind Is Free

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    That's all well and good, but when you get down to it, that (looks like it) has still passed through a hydraulic press...

    Can't say any "high-quality" likes to be man-handled that way.

    I don't doubt there may be some quality to be had under the 90% leaf material smashed into the bud, which I usually see in pictures of thai and jamaican shit... I just feel it indicates a lack of care for the plant, the harvest, etc to leave them in such a state.

    This likely harkens back to when I mainly smoked... but I certainly found that things tasted smoother/tastier when I kept my ladies well trimmed. I still do keep them well trimmed out of habit, but I suppose a vape is less picky about sugar leaf. When combusted though, leaves are just so damn harsh, and ruin all the flavor. I don't care if it is completely trichome covered, trim them off.

    Anyways... whatev! To each his own I guess!
     
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  22. sativasam

    sativasam NO SMOKING

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    :rolleyes:
     
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  23. weenstoned

    weenstoned Well-Known Member

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    I agree that looks aren't everything, but you'll have trouble convincing anyone in North America that that is high grade.
     
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  24. sativasam

    sativasam NO SMOKING

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    Then they don't know the definition of the term 'High-Grade'.

    Jamaican Cess, Rasta Cess whatever you want to call it. Jamaican High Grade is well known. Maybe not in the suburbs of the US. But you can not pretend to know about weed while failing to understand the significance and quality of High Grade Jamaican strains. @seaofgreens talks about the use of a hydraulic press? So what it's import, i'm in the UK on an island not in California in a dispensary. I dont care that it's lost a bit of THC or whatever. I don't care that it's got a bit of leaf (seaofgreens exaggerated estimate of 90% being ludicrous) It's real ganja how its supposed to be grown in Jamaica. The real deal. You can't even get Jamaican Cess in Cali dispensary. Real Jamaican Highgrade is rare. Don't get it twisted, this isn't bush weed.

    The point of the thread by the original poster was that he felt this type of weed was not that bad and that it always got talked down. And It isn't that bad. Not when it is high grade. The good stuff is actually very expensive and hard to come by.
     
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  25. seaofgreens

    seaofgreens My Mind Is Free

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    I find that to be a common theme with most people. We don't know real cannabis. Only your experience is legitimate, we are all just pretending to cultivate this plant when the real deal is only grown by two guys in some jamaican hut in the boonies.

    If you were to go back in time to when I could only find the mexican brick weed I was getting when I started smoking, I would have defended it to the death. I would have said that there were several grades of schwag, and some of it was actually killer stuff, you just had to sift through the shit.

    And... I'll admit, I've not been around since the 60's or whatever, but I have been an every-day indulger for about 14 years, and a cultivator for a little over 6 of those years. I'm not going to say that this makes me an end-all resource for cannabis, but I certainly feel qualified to discuss all aspects of the plant, including genetic lineage...
     
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