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NewVape FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by natural farmer, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead FC-OG

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    @YaMon that was my original concern with the VROD design is that the air would take the path of least resistance and ignore the sides of the bowl,but people were saying the opposite that it was roasting the sides more, so I tossed that theory. It sounds like it just takes a slightly different draw than the SH since the thermal equilibrium has changed. IMO that's reasonable!
     
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  2. psychonaut

    psychonaut Company Rep

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    I'm with ya'll on the draw speed being a simple solution, I like that a lot actually. I hope you guys understand for someone who already has a SH and WA, and no NV PID or coil, this is not a simple decision as there is a lot of work and or money involved.
     
  3. YaMon

    YaMon Vaping since 2010

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    You guys are too easy! With the ShowerHead it was easy, no technique required and extremely easy to reproduce results. Now i’m hearing that draw is specific with the VRod. What if the VRod had baffles added to mix the air coming in so your herb was toasted more evenly reducing the need for a specific draw speed and stirring?
     
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  4. graydeh1

    graydeh1 Double deckin'

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    Just recieved answer from newvape about restocking of sic dishes for the vrod. He had great news, they will have there own (sourced I think) for $20.
     
  5. juxt

    juxt Well-Known Member

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    Maybe not, but it's different enough that I have had to change my water piece setup to reduce draw speed at the FP bowl :/ so a pain in my butt if not yours ;)

    @JCat might still be working on some connectors for the newvape coils if you're looking to save some $$.
     
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  6. psychonaut

    psychonaut Company Rep

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    Yes I know, I will more than likely be building my own as JCat's in Canada and I cant afford int'l shipping for just one small item.
     
  7. juxt

    juxt Well-Known Member

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    Yeah man, I really appreciate having smart helpful folks to talk to! I don't mind too much, the DDs i use for the FP are nowhere near as clean as the ones I use for the GS anyway. I just wasn't prepared to switch things around and had to do a couple rounds of cleaning :rolleyes:

    I do like the VROD much better overall. I wish I had some of those old school stands like some of you guys. I did order the Ti vrod stand so mine doesn't stick anymore, but I don't know what to do with the carb cap yet.
     
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  8. graydeh1

    graydeh1 Double deckin'

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    What temps are v-rodders ridin @

    Think im currently at 585


    And dabbers, what do u prefer rosin or shatter?

    And if using rosin is it better in dish or with the herb load in the bowl?
     
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  9. Justpassedu

    Justpassedu Well-Known Member

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    I been at 640F for Flowers or Twaxing and bump down to 585F myself if I am just using concentrate. I like all concentrates both rosin and shatter depending on the quality. I actually just for the 1st time the other day got some Diamonds to dab, really potent and tasty but pricey. I always like to try any concentrate 1st alone without flower to see how the taste and effect is and than I'll take a twax hit.
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  10. Chicken #420

    Chicken #420 I and I be Irie Vaping with U and U in Zion, mon!

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    @steama,

    Well said. For many people, the VROD will be the ultimate "do everything" head for their FlowerPot. For others, such as myself, the perceived improvements are not really worth the upgrade.

    Back in November or December of last year, when I was still juggling concentrate/ flower and TWAX mixes of both, I found myself switching between the SiC wraparound and the ShowerHead quite often. Back then, I would have jumped on the VROD bandwagon so fast it would have left my credit card spinning!

    In the interim, however, I have found that concentrates have slowly left my existence... I just prefer the whole plant experience that the ShowerHead excels at and has built its well deserved reputation around.

    So, you see... what you say is absolutely true, no matter what your preferences. For you, the VROD is the bees knees, and what works best for your needs.
    For me, the ShowerHead is better for what I am looking for...

    The first-world is great, and our "problems" are small. :)
     
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  11. psychonaut

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    The rosin I am hitting right now is runny at freezer temps :o The flower in the SH is even more insane on terps (Magik F5). I just love having the same buds and concentrates literally from the same bag available. This bud/rosin tastes like Lemonade mixed with Sprite. The effects are gnarly, this one doesn't have much of a ceiling kinda like the cuvee I have.
     
  12. juxt

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    So, my preference for taste is in general: Distillate (various methods, but I like the one without pesticides) > butane > Squish > ethyl > CO2 (though tasteless to slightly goo to me, this is strong stuff sometimes)

    You can get some insanely good tasting / impactful stuff if you do a dry sift or bubble filtering method before a squish. That moves above butane into the distillate range of awesome. As always and with anything YMMW.

    I do 585 for flower and concentrate with the Vrod, though I was at 640 for both on the WA.
     
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  13. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo I am being the five years old.

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    Yes. Sometimes, and mostly, atm.

    OK, this is an awesome update to your findings for me. My draw is barely any different from breathing, so a slow draw sounds perfect for me. Thanks.

    Just in case its of interest to anyone making rosin and dabbing it right then and there (as I was before I got the 20 ton press), try leaving it to cure for 24hrs at room temp. I've noticed a massive increase in smoothness of hit and flavour after a 24HR, room temp cure.
     
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  14. psychonaut

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    I've found that when my rosin turn into budder, they taste incredible! Some never do? This is usually after 2-3 days at room temps. I have a sample I pressed a few weeks ago that is crazy good right now!
     
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  15. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo I am being the five years old.

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    My access to product going into the press is limited so my personal experience is growing very slowly. I'm yet to see anything I've pressed budder up on its own. I've played around with whipping rosin a little but not really had results positive enough to warrant continuing with it. I'm assuming a lot of this is down to me having only used 120 micron bags so far, or no bag at all. I have much on my 'to experiment with' list when it comes to rosin

    Lowered temps again, down to 570f on the SH. This maybe just a tad too low when it comes being able have the dab in only one or two hits, but holy crap, my lungs are REALLY appreciating the lack of irritation.

    And I'm very medicated
     
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  16. invertedisdead

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    I assume this is a joke but if not I just want to point out that Distillate doesn't have any flavor retained during the distillation process.
     
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  17. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo I am being the five years old.

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    My lungs are being really finicky.

    575f... No.
    570f... Yes!

    Twats.
     
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  18. Zangano Cruel

    Zangano Cruel Well-Known Member

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    I raise your lilly lolly cap, with a VRod-cap jajajaja
     
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  19. Likes2vape

    Likes2vape Well-Known Member

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    590 no carb cap hitting it like I would the showerhead.
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    590 no carb cap with a little different draw speed
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    This was at 700 I don’t recommend going this high
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    After a stir and another hit
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    The main advantage of the vrod over the wraparound is no carb cap is needed to vape flower. I do recommend a stir between hits though.

    I’m with @steama in that I feel the vrod is a showerhead you just use different temps and a little different draw technique.

    The vrod is an excellent upgrade over both the showerhead and the wraparound heads if you use both flower and dabs. The showerhead is just a little bit better for 100% flower imo but not by much.
     
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  20. Roth

    Roth Well-Known Member

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    Had a few days to play around with the VRod, and while I like it, I'm not sure mine is living up to its full potential.

    I keep reading about people lowering their temps with the VRod, but I'm having the opposite result. The really big difference for me is with concentrates. With the 20mm WA and quartz dish, I was at 666 capped and having fantastic results. I tried 666 capped on the VRod and quartz dish and experienced wispy hits and major pooling in the dish. In order to get comparable hits to my WA, I'm using the VRod at 757-767 capped and enjoying it. I can get nice dabs out of the VRod, but why am I almost 100° higher on my VRod than WA?

    Previously with flower and the SH, I was typically using 727-737 uncapped. I'm slightly lower with the VRod, 707-727 uncapped as well. Like @steama , I was getting the burned ring as well. I have since slowed my draw speed and the browning is much more even again. So flower performance is pretty similar at this point.

    I'm just really confused as to why I'm having to bump my temps so high get a comparable dab experience. I'm using the same concentrates as before, so that hasn't changed. My quartz dish feels like it's making complete contact with the VRod, the nut is certainly hand tight. And all of this is with a thoroughly heat soaked VRod.



    Can I request some help from a fellow VRod owner? With a cool VRod, plug the air intake hole on top. Are you still able to draw air? With my air intake blocked, I'm still able to get a decent amount of draw through my bubbler. Perhaps mine doesn't seal correctly?

    One other thing I've noticed, is there is a slight gap between the top and bottom of the VRod when assembled on my coil. The pieces need to screw together another 1/8th of a turn to make a complete seal. You can tell by the markings on the bottom piece. The pieces screw together completely without the coil installed.

    I'm trying to determine if my VRod is defective, or something else causing my issues. I'm using a coil purchased from NV for the 4/20 sale.

    I also get much more sticking on the post with my VRod. If I don't take it off once during the initial heat up, it can be very difficult to remove. One time, it was so stuck, I just had to turn it off and let it cool before I could remove it. I was afraid I'd bend the coil if I rocked it any harder. I'm using the V2 of the SS post. I'm considering picking up the Ti post at some point, but it's more of an inconvenience at this point.

    The other thing I've noticed, is the temp of the VRod seems to bounce around much more than my SH or WA. The temp will be stable when it's just resting on the post, but when I put the VRod back on the post after holding it for multiple hits, the temp of the coil will drop 20°. Putting the SH back on the post after a similar time would result in a drop of 5°, maybe 7° at the most. The temp will also shoot up a few degrees when taken off the post. Assuming this has to do with the thermal mass of the VRod?


    Any insight/help is appreciated. Thanks!
     
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  21. psychonaut

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    @Likes2vape Thanks for taking the time to post the pics, that lets me know a lot. Were these full bowls?

    @Roth I have been out of the quartz game for far too long but it's my understanding you gotta crank the temps up higher with quartz than say Ti or SiC, so to get good vaporization it makes sense to have to go up higher but I do agree that seems quite high? I'd think somewhere in the mid to upper 600's would be about right for some tasty dabs.
     
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  22. thekayo

    thekayo Active Member

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    Hey Guys! I have been using My flowerpot w showerhead for about a month now and I cant stress how important it is to try different techniques. For the longest time I was taking very slow drags at around 550-575 with the carb cap on. I was getting good strong vapor and consistent abv. I thought I was using the unit to its full potential. I found any higher temp and I was burning it. But i only got about 2-3 rips per a 0.1-0.2g bowl. Now I have turned the temp up to 625-675 and I have been drawing much faster with no use of carb caps. I find my vapor is the same but my bowls last 4-6 rips instead. Idk I might be crazy. But it felt like I just understood the unit that much after fiddling with it. It just seems more efficient now.
     
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  23. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    That's quite a cold spot in the middle.:o I don't think my SH could replicate that at any draw speed. What's going on here? :hmm:

    :peace:
     
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  24. Zangano Cruel

    Zangano Cruel Well-Known Member

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    Now we’re talking, I raised @Stu bet, but I forgot to show my hand yesterday jajajaja
    I really went hard on testing the VROD last night.
    Stay vaped...
     
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  25. KidFated.

    KidFated. We Don't Even Live Here..

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