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NewVape FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by natural farmer, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Damn, yeah definitely need to get a coil from another vendor. I'm not getting locked into unusual proprietary heaters and controllers! Newvapes' claims about competitor's coils are simply not born out in my experience. I've run the same d-nail coil 24/7 for multiple years without failure with multiple different units. None of my controllers have ever gotten hot or failed, I own 4 of them!
     
  2. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, this is the one area where I and NV disagree. I lean with you on this, @herbivore21 ..
     
  3. NewVape710

    NewVape710 Seeking Higher Ground Manufacturer

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    Please don't twist my words. I never said anything bad about dnail. I never implied that dnail has ever had any problems with any of it's products. I feel dnail is a quality american company. thanks @Baron23
     
  4. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    You mentioned problems with product/s from 'competitors' generically. As such, I took your comment to refer to all other enail manufacturers (one of several possibilities given the ambiguity of your original post cited below), of which d-nail is one:

    If there are specific competitor/s who have had these issues, perhaps you can clarify this in future? Otherwise, your original post may be taken to refer to all competitors who use the typical xlr/pin arrangement that you guys don't use (ie: the one d-nail uses). :peace:

    Regardless, the typical pin arrangement/xlr plug type used by d-nail IME does not ever experience any of the issues you mention and while there may be known benefits to the design you chose in absolute terms, what I am saying is that it appears to me that the over-engineering you guys elected for is just that. Also, this over-engineering is surplus to what is required for safe reliable operation in a way that alienates potential customers like me from your product ecosystem.
     
  5. Alan Partridge

    Alan Partridge Smell my cheese

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    Finally got it! Took forever! Here are my impressions after one day-

    Some things to note if you're in the UK- expect to pay 20% tax, plus 21 quid in fees from Parcel Force- I had to cough up £79 altogether. Also factor in shipping which was $41.

    So problems first.... anything that had hemp rope (the tray and handle) left some bad smelling glue like residue everywhere. It was like it had melted off the hemp and pooled in the plastic bags. I could clean it off but not a good thing. I guess it was due to the length of time in transit. Also the handle did not fit my enail- the enail was just a bit too fat. It's totally unnecessary anyway, the enail is cool enough to hold on its own.

    Apart from that this thing is fantastic. As good as, and in some ways better than the TI. Taste is better. Extraction is quicker- literally one hit and done. Clouds are about the same. The TI is slightly airier, but it's a bit smoother.

    Operationally I prefer the TI- there's no carb cap, which on the FP is an extra object to use, and doesn't make it quite so simple. I haven't used concentrates yet in either. But this will be where the FP shines, and the double decker is something the TI can't do.

    I have both 16mm and 20mm coils- 800f with the 16mm is just perfect. Using 20mm the heat up time is much quicker- about a minute at a guess. Also have to go lower in temp, I've settled on 700f here.

    I am amazed by both this and the TI. The performance on both is miles ahead of anything. I feel like I've finally found what I was looking for since I started vaping- a near perfect simulation of smoking. I love them both!
     
  6. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Great new comparision review - thx a lot! :tup:

    Guess the Herborizer TI is the perfect single flower desk vape, if you love smooth vapour like me (let's see what the Glass Symphony will bring), the Twax the best allrounder all around.

    Love vaping flowers with my Herb Ti the last days. So smooth and so nice vapour. Have also the enailadapter which I haven't tried up to now. It don't look promising to me regarding handling, "dish" area and taste of pure Ti. Will try it the next days but only for science's sake.

    But Twax is looking so promising in using it for flowers a/o concentrates combined with easy handling, may be not the best for flowers regarding the recommended use of the lolly cap and less smoothness.

    If I won't have alternatives and look for solutions for flowers AND concentrates the Twax would be my first desk top vape for sure especially bc of the option to pair it with D-nail Halo dishes and inserts. So you will not only have the option to use concentrates you will have one of the best devices for vaping concentrates all around. And that paired with one of the best options for vaping flowers.

    My gf would kill me if I would buy another desk top vape now..:goon::whip:......maybe BF sale? :hmm:
     
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  7. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    I bought the NewVape coil and just soldered an XLR connector using their pin out diagram.
    I use it with my China controller and it works awesome!

    I quite like the fact that @NewVape710 recommends their package as a "tried and tested" option.
    At least when you buy all their products you are guaranteed a working vaporizer.

    This is not a computer peripheral that needs to be able to be plugged into the exact same port worldwide.

    We should also add that Errlectric has their own custom coils etc as well as many other vendors out there. Just because we decide we want it to work differently, does not mean the manufacturer has to jump and bow to our every wish.
    I have discovered over the years, us vaporists want stuff to work the way WE want it to work and not the way it was intended to work.

    I bought my @NewVape710 Flower Pot knowing this and knowing what i would need to do to get it to work with the equipment i had on hand, no complaints whatsoever!
    It's a great product that works extremely well.

    And again this is the Flower Pot thread!

    Just my humble opinion and my :2c:
     
  8. NewVape710

    NewVape710 Seeking Higher Ground Manufacturer

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    the hemp wick we use is made in florida and dipped in beeswax (no glue) and will be sticky at first. There a wonderfull small florida business with cool products. https://www.hempwick.com/
     
  9. anasrzi

    anasrzi Well-Known Member

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    Nice comparison review there @Alan Partridge im glad you've made one as a u.k member too I really want to get my hands on a flowerpot or should I say the parts required. It's some heavy taxation you've experienced there including shipping your talking over £100 extra on top of the original cost!

    Still all things considered you can clearly tell your more than happy with your purchase so worth every penny spent.
     
  10. Alan Partridge

    Alan Partridge Smell my cheese

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    This is how my tray arrived! So this is what you get for the handling fees, nice one for leaving it sitting around in a heatwave for two weeks and charging me for it, thanks Parcel Force!

    [​IMG]

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    But after a clean up here it is up and running, sorry for the poor light... yes @anasrzi well worth the expense mate. Although consider the TI if you want flowers only, will work out cheaper for us the other side of the pond

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    Lastly @NewVape710 have you considered making an all in one dish/carb cap? Would be useful for flowers only.
     
  11. dnice2532

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    @Alan Partridge Great idea!

    I would buy!!
     
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  12. steama

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    Do many people actually use the NewVape's box as a duff tray? I don't remember seeing an image of this before, but now I know why I don't use it that way. It looks like a forever mess with ABV all over hell. The duff post should be more in the center than close to the edge. Instead of using the NewVape duff post I use a 'kind ash cache' which I think is much cleaner because it really keeps that ABV from making a huge mess.

    [​IMG]

    :2c:
     
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  13. Alan Partridge

    Alan Partridge Smell my cheese

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    It's better since I took that pic as now I've swapped the posts the right way around, they're wrong in the pic!
     
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  14. Joaon

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    I do have the Tray base, and find it very practical ! As Alan said, when it is in the right place, there is no mess .. :cool:

    And much more classy than a silicone ashtray, imo
     
  15. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    I typically switch rigs between flower and herb, and don't particularly like vaping flowers out of my oil rig (and vice versa). I am curious how I would do that if I got one, or perhaps I'd just get over it and clean even more often.
     
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  16. steama

    steama Well-Known Member

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    I love the NewVape box/tray and it holds my screens and FP accessories like the lolli cap. It is coolest aluminum machined box I own by a mile (gotta love the hemp touch, beautiful). I lined mine with black leather so it is very swank and it's the only stand I use to perch my FP handle on.
     
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  17. ichibaneye

    ichibaneye Vapriot, Traveler & Vaporizer/ing lover!

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    Hit us with some sexy photos please! :)
     
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  18. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I don't want it to work differently man. I want an option to buy a heater coil that is compatible with my controller. These heater coils are almost as ubiquitous to the dab industry as the resin itself is!!! This is not some unique revolutionary design for a heater which NV can only make the one way or it may be unsafe and risk interfering with the space-time continuum! :lol: This is the humble e-nail coil we are talking about: it is as tried and true as it gets!

    We have more different coils available out there that are known to work well and safely than you could shake all of my dabbers at (and I assure you, that is a lot of dabbers brother!)!

    Well made coils using the typical d-nail pin arrangement and XLR cables have clearly stood the test of time. All I am saying is that if companies like NV want to make their product more appealing to people who are not buying a new e-nail controller or ordering barrel coils elsewhere and paying additional shipping just to use the flowerpot, they should also offer conventional coils. If not, they're losing sales. That is all. I represent one of those lost sales for now.

    Not all of us who use controllers/coils from other brands are using unreliable products that get hot or fail to work. In many cases, we need an option to buy a barrel coil from the vendor if we are going to be interested in checking out the flowepot. A lot of us use flat coils only these days. I am one of them. 4 e-nail controllers, nothing but flat coils.

    I pointed out genuine ambiguity in the comments that NV made about competitors products, because they voiced concerns that I was 'putting words in their mouth'.

    I am saying that safe reliable coils that work with most competitors controllers are a dime a dozen, NV seem to have no problem releasing otherr products that imitate tried and true designs in the industry - so why this one? The safety/reliability argument simply does not hold water IME. I am saying that I have already lived the experience of having good quality coils that will fit my requirements and can't see why NV wouldn't stock these in order to be able to meet the needs of more customers?

    No response has been offered by NV.

    I just want them to offer coils for retail that work with most people's controllers so I don't need to buy redundant cheaper versions of shit that I already own just to use the product without making another purchase elsewhere for a compatible coil and paying more shipping.

    There is absolutely no way that I am soldering anything. I do not want to solder anything myself for my vapes ever, I'm a medical user with too little free time as it is! E-nail coils cost enough that if I'm paying, I want it to work with my controller with no additional labor from me :peace: No problem if you don't mind soldering your own of course man, that is your decision to make obviously :)

    They don't make coils with different arrangements and I won't stump up for shipping from another vendor just to buy a barrel coil to make it work, so I won't buy their product for now. Nothing was lost :peace:

    I tried to find a solution, couldn't and voiced that. Got accused of putting words in someone's mouth and my response raising the vendor's initial ambiguity which led to my choice of words was ignored. Maybe sometime in the future there'll be an option to buy this product without asking so many questions here to know what I need to buy (the website does not seem to have any package that gives you everything you need to use the flowerpot and there are a variety of required components!) and without having to buy redundant hardware that I already own because of incompatible interfaces, or without ordering components elsewhere. Until then, peace. :peace:

    I do sincerely thank all of those who did assist in giving me information about the product here though, you guys have been great!
     
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  19. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    @herbivore21

    So why not use your controller on hand with a coil that works with it? Problem solved.
    I think @NewVape710 has been more than accommodating with all of our requests for modifications to the machinable parts.
    They have a 20mm and a 16mm FP version, so if you have a coil to use just buy the basics.

    There are always ways around problems that are not really problems.

    As i said i am a case in point.
    I did not want to buy their controller but found a solution on my own that works fantastically.
    I am sure you have equipment that you can repurpose to use a 16 or 20mm Flower Pot.
     
  20. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Bro I don't own any barrel coils and do not use nails with barrel coils. All of my nails are flat coil nails as I said in my last post. I need to order a barrel coil to use a flowerpot. That means additional purchases and additional shipping costs that I can't justify for the small amounts of non-full melt hash that I ever have. I only would use a flowerpot for non full melt hash. :peace:
     
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  21. NewVape710

    NewVape710 Seeking Higher Ground Manufacturer

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    @FlyingLow this is our number one concern when discussing (not demonstrating) the flowerpot with experienced concentrate enail users. The trick is to stay well below combustion temp and you will soon forget about that concern. If or when your flowerpot rig does get tainted with smoke a hot alcohol / salt bath for the glass will establish the pure clean taste again. Alcohol clean the titanium parts. Rinse with water then lightly torch all the titanium parts (minus hemp wick). I perform the salt and hot alcohol bath on my glass weekly. The flowerpot does require a bit of a technique to master. Carb capping low temp flower hits is new to everyone. Once the technique is mastered one rig and one temp is all that I need. And i'm allergic to crappy tasting smokey rigs.
     
  22. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    Alrighty then! All caught up and i have no idea as to how it will work with that substance.
    I think @grokit is using a flat coil and has some pictures of his setup in the thread.
    So technically you can make it work especially if you are just heating the dish as your main surface.

    I have used bought shatter, home made shatter, store bought rosin and my home made rosin and they all dab nicely off the quartz dish. I would like to try a Sic dish as i think you recommend it over quartz?
     
  23. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Most certainly my friend. SiC > quartz every day of the week. :D You'll have a blast!


    Non full melt hash should work very well with a S&B concentrate pad or similar in the flower bowl to prevent any goop running through the rig. IME these e-nail type vapes (d-nail flower adapter, flowerpot, errlectric etc are good products for non-full melt hash. They're all fast to use and easy to clean, always on and offer additional heat beyond what is required for flowers (which is crucial for these hashes).

    It seems like he used the flat coil in addition to a barrel coil in the pics I've seen, IIRC the flat coil alone did not provide ideal functioning. I need a flowerpot or similar for the flower bowl section which I understand is not so well heated by a flat coil.
     
  24. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    I elected to absorb the extra cost of postage and import taxes for the option of potential compatibility with other products later down the line. I dont want multiple controller boxes hanging around.

    So that means I bought the FP but got the controller and coil from elsewhere, my first enail purchase ever.
     
  25. NewVape710

    NewVape710 Seeking Higher Ground Manufacturer

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    The flowerPot was never designed to work with a flat coil. To vaporize flower the air must travel thru the holes in the center post surrounded by the 16mm / 20mm barrel coils. I'm sure the flat coil will work for heating the bottom of the dish for dabs.
     
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