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New Wax ... good or bad?

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by bonghitz204, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. bonghitz204

    bonghitz204 New Member

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    I have received some bomb wax from a friend and i have been smoking and making wax....(all concentrates) for a couple years and this stuff i got smelled so strong in a good way like fresh grown bud an is the strongest stuff i have smoked. the consistancy of it is hard to describe almost like moist sand and is made from pure blue domino bud which i also had and was very good. the only thing i dont know is what it was made from he said ether but not sure if its good to smoke but theres nothing off about the smell or taste, its amazing just want to make sure its ok to smoke... any thoughts heres a pic ...

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  2. mlo4sho

    mlo4sho Well-Known Member

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    Not sure about your question. We can't see your picture, though. Don't try to link from gmail. Save the picture to your computer and upload to an image site such as http://www.imgur.com and maybe someone will be able to help.
     
  3. syrupy

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    The pic started showing up for me--looks a little greasy but not outrageous. Not sure what assurance someone could give based on a picture. This makes me happy to have access to reliable vendors with standardized product.

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  4. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    I doubt it's de-waxed, but many skilled extractors prefer not to dewax regardless (maximizes flavor and aroma)
     
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  5. kingtut106

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    Does it stick to your fingers? My dewaxed stuff can have a shinny appearance and isn't completely shatter, more of a taffy consistency, but it never stick to me or anything at room temp.
     
  6. bonghitz204

    bonghitz204 New Member

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    its not sticky like when i get shatter and warm it up between your fingers its almost a moist gritty texture but not in a bad way ive just never had stuff like this that smelled and tasted so strong like the bud. it sizzles when i hit it to my nail but no sparks or anything. the guy i get from is real oldschool and if not mistaken he said something about ether anyone know about that.

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    Modnote: Edited to fix url and image tags. Back to back posts merged while I was at it.
     
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  7. paytonpenn

    paytonpenn Level 30 Nature/Healer

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    Reminds me of what I get when I don't put my oil in a cold spot for a week.

    But I suppose the waxy and buddering modes it goes through can be pretty convenient.
     
  8. bonghitz204

    bonghitz204 New Member

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    thats the exact texture of what it is but more moist this stuff is so strong too (stuff on right im talking about the stuff on left is different). Is there a way to test if it has anything bad still in it because im still not sure how it was made but finding out soon? If it is can a vac purge it without loosing any smell or anything, my friend has a set up and its worth finding out since i have quit a of it.
     
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  9. Bouldorado

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    Hold a lighter flame under a small dab: if the oil just melts down, then it's relatively pure. However if it flares/sparks up, then there's a significant amount of residual solvent.
     
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  10. bonghitz204

    bonghitz204 New Member

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    ya ive been hearig that but i just took a small dab on a pin and held the flame close but not touching and it melts for a bit the smokes out. but if i put the lighter right on the oil it sparks a little bit but its common when i smoke a joint of some chronic it will spark and crackle so weres the line were there is residue solvent in it or its just normal? is it worth purging it? ( and if i do will it effect the smell or taste)
     
  11. DabComa

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    It should always melt and smoke clean never spark or pop, if oil sparks or pops there is solvent present, flowers sparking or popping is a whole other story totally different from oil products. Not to say yours is unsafe, I've seen people in my area making and consuming oil that literally fireworks, then they wonder why I turn theirs down in the rotation lol...
     
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  12. bonghitz204

    bonghitz204 New Member

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    lol I hear ya, but the thing is where I live (around ottawa, ont.) there is no medical dispensceries that carry a regulated concentrate product. Im just trying to find or make a quality product that i like and that is safe. Any ideas? should i vac purge?
     
  13. DabComa

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    vac purging is not some fool proof sure way to remove solvent. Somewhere along the lines someone decided suddenly that vac purging was the gold standard at it really is not. I have not vacuumed a single run in over a year now, because the difference to me is night and day. But to each their own. Theirs nothing wrong with vacuuming either. It's just a process people apply who feel that the lower atmospheric pressure will aid in the release of the solvent. It does make a difference in final consistency, as with just about any other process you apply. I also live in prohibition land so I have to make my own. If you make your own, just make sure you hot water bath it long enough (~2 or more hours) or let it just sit for 2 or 3 days if you have patience, which I generally lack.

    If you want to clean up something you received the easiest way is to redissolve it in iso ethanol or butane, pour it back in the pyrex and begin the purge process again, at least this way you can make sure you remove all the solvent by letting it hot water bath long enough. Just don't bathe it for too long e.g. 18 hours or something crazy like that because you'll wind up with an impossible to scrape end product that turns to dust when you do manage to scrape it. Whatever doesn't scrape up you can remove with Iso and transfer it to a slick sheet in a bowl to evaporate and youll get everything back.
     
  14. Bouldorado

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    If you're going to redissolve, you might as well winterize and dewax (filter while the solvent is cold).
     
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  15. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    this is one of the reasons why i love ethanol extracted oil so much. even if there is a small amount of residual ethanol left... dont worry about it and just vape it!

    oh and NEVER smoke your oil! yuck
     
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  16. bonghitz204

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    I have done the QWISO and BHO process enough times to know what I am doing to actually extract the "good stuff " without getting and plant matter so the product is pretty pure as i usually use mostly all high grade bud but lack the knowledge of getting the original solvent used to extract the product out of the final product. I have access to a vac purge but i have been getting told alot latley you can completly purge your product without one. I am trying to get the cleanest product so If someone could run me through the steps of properly get the solvent out without one would be helpfull
     
  17. DabComa

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    A little tip for purging without a vac... alternate your pyrex from the hot water bath to the freezer for brief periods just to allow the material to freeze then back into the heat it goes. This allows a physical mechanical means to facilitate easier release of residual solvent left over trapped in small air bubbles. As the oil melts from freezing the thinner layer of oil surrounding the air bubble melts before the thicker mass and forces the bubble to collapse releasing trapped air. While its frozen, you can also lightly run your finger across any section of bubbles to shatter them, and when reheated, you will notice a significant loss of noticeable trapped air. I repeat this process maybe 4-5 times roughly on a ~2hour hot bathe. I never freeze it more then 5 minutes. I normally repeat until the oil is as smooth as the glass below it :) . Give it a shot may help.
     
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  18. bonghitz204

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    Awsome thanks for the advice man really helps because not alot of people around here are into having or dont care about having a good clean product and that's all I'm going for. Lets say I have 100 or so grams of this stuff and I want to clean it up by doing this method you are talking about will I loose any weight, potency, smell or taste? And is there different methods of purging if you are doing a bho run or a QWISO ?
     
  19. DabComa

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    if you dewax, or winterize it, you can expect a slight loss overall, not significant but noticeable, and others have said it reduces or mutes the flavor of the strain more, so I never do. Otherwise redissolving the only loss should be residual, meaning whatever you happened to lose in the process by inability to scrape or what have you, e.g. material just being stuck in the pan could be considered loss if you cant scrape it all but it can be ISO'd out. There really is no key differences in purging bho vs iso I just let my iso evaporate over time in a slick sheet in a bowl because im not normally eager to get to it, or else it could be hot water bathed as well. That and I generally only ISO at the end to get the remnants out of the pyrex, so re evaporating in the pyrex would kinda prove redundant, hence I put it on the slick sheet while it evaporates over time so I do not need to scrape it, I can just roll it in a ball when its dry enough.
     
  20. bonghitz204

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    Sounds good I am going to give it a try on a couple of grams and see how it works out. Im guessing its going to turn out into shatter more than less if i do the method of water baths and freezer? Do you know what temperature to stay under to keep from killing the taste an smell?
     
  21. DabComa

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    110 retains all the flavor and wont destroy actives. The easiest way to get this without a thermometer is to test the water on the burners lowest setting with your fingers. You want it warmer then your body, but not so warm that you cant hold your hand in the water. Youll never get over 120 degrees as long as you use this method. if bubbles start to form in the water its ok, but you dont want it so hot that the bubbles begin floating to the top ( the beginning process of boiling)
     
  22. bonghitz204

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    Sounds good I am going to pick up one of those laser pointer thermometer anyway just to be on the safe side. I did the flame check again and sparked enough to worry me now lol. How bad is it anyway smoking oil with solvents in it anyway some people say its the same as hitting a bong rip with a torch?
     
  23. DabComa

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    Contrary to popular belief, it probably will have no immediate negative health impacts. Its long term effects of chronic usage affecting the nervous system over looooong periods of time that has people slightly concerned (obviously not merited enough to stop anyone). Its all speculation. I'd say just smoke it up and don't get any from that source anymore, unless you intend on cleaning it up...
     
  24. bonghitz204

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    Im going to try cleaning it up beacuse its from a reliable source that I tend to get alot from I will see how it turns out. What would you do to clean it up just the water purge??
     
  25. DabComa

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    It really has to be redissolved in order to even the surface area of the product in the pyrex. Rule #1 in chemistry, increase the surface area, and you increase the rate of the reaction. if you just put a blob of solid concentrate in the center of the pyrex, even heating it you wouldn't remove all of the solvent. it has to be spread around thin to better facilitate the release of the solvent particles left over. You dont have to use a lot of solvent to redissolve just enough to thin out the oil in the pyrex, which may take a slight physical agitation to fully dissolve. Then you can bath it until its no longer impressionable to the touch.
     

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