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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by z9, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. Edward Hyde

    Edward Hyde Well-Known Member

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    ok i did another qwiso also and this time i got pretty much the same result with your first pics...just when i heat the dust that i scrapped from the pyrex it became first like really thick waxlike oil and then when it cooled it became like really hard caramel and it acts like one...but its really dark brown...when i heat it it becomes stick thick oil again...am i doing it right?last time i had different results...dunno why...
     
  2. z9

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    Yeah that's fine, a shorter wash will leave you with a more amber colored oil. My oil can be hard to handle at times if it isn't warmed. Its about the same consistency that you described. I just bo. ht a single burner from walgreens for $15 so I can double broil my qwiso now. For some reason the heat evaporated oil has a different consistency and color than air evaped oil from my experiences. I purchased new supplies so doing the washes should be faster and easier... Still refining my method. Im running a eighth in the morning with 91% iso because I can't get 99% before I go out of town. I'll likely run a quarter with 99% when I get back. I'll post my results tomorrow. It should be a little dark because of the 91% but it'll have to do.

    Edit: I'm thinking about evaporating the iso out of the buds and saving them to make a tincture with. I would imagine it is, but is this safe? i can get some great flavored moonshine to do this with
     
  3. Edward Hyde

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    my oil is not just hard to handle if not warmed...its IMPOSSIBLE to handle it if its not warmed.shorter wash?how much shorter?i do 20 seconds...but i do 3 runs and put all the iso of all 3 runs toghether to evaporate because i have limited space and time...
     
  4. z9

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    I should have gone into a little more detail with that post. Shorter washes, higher percententage iso, less agitation, frozen weed, frozen alcohol, frozen jars, and other things that I can't remember right now all help keep the oil more amber. My last wash was over a minute with frozen everything and it was still very golden, but then I redisolved it, overpurged it and ruined it. Do you heat evap or air evap Hyde?

    I find that the colder I keep things the better it turns out, like many people suggested. I freeze my buds in a glass jar and add the frozen alcohol. I'm still relatively new to this and I have a very limited space and time to perform my washes too. I'm doing 5, 20-30 second washes and combining washes 1-3 in one dish and 4 and 5 in another. Some people will say that this is too long, but the latter washes are decent and I like to get a little more product. Like a previous poster mentioned they do 1-2 minute washes and still get a nice oil. Whenever I do 10-15 washes I end up with shatter which I hate to handle.

    Can anyone with experience comment on multiple short washes vs one long wash? The weed is still saturated between washes, so does draining and adding ISO for more washes just dilute what would be absorbed by the first wash giving me more to evaporate but a similar final product?
     
  5. Edward Hyde

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    i just evap the air but i let it outside without any protection on top so probably it aint the cleaner qwiso anyway,next time i'ma try putting some foil on top with some holes. do 3 runes only next time i'ma do 2 more... thnx a lot for the advice.
     
  6. shredhead

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    I have an eighth in the freezer and some ISo as well. Should I do 2 thirty second washes? Or try the long wash in a cold bath? I think I might try the long wash with low agitation. Just don't wanna end up with gross oil. I'm sure it will be fine tho
     
  7. Edward Hyde

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    i tried another wash yesterday but from a low quality material.i put 13 g of fresh and i came out with 1 g of qwiso wich was really caramel hard..u know the kind that breaks if u try to take a piece.it was more of really hard dough or something...melting on hands when in a warm room and making a mess everywhere.that means the water (from the alcohol) or the alchohol didnt evaporate completely?
     
  8. shredhead

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    Did a 2 minute wash in a cold water bath then let the solution settle at room temp after first strain. Then I strained into my oil slick pad and evaped the iso. Here's a crappy picture but it shows how it's nice and clear.
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    I have to say this oil has a waaaay cleaner taste than any bho I've made. Plus I couldn't cough if I tried. Gunna try more washes with shorter duration and more agitation next time. I think I'll be putting away the butane for a long long time.
     
  9. z9

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    I'm glad to hear it, I'm considering investing in bho supplies but I don't know if its worth it. My last batches of qwiso have been bomb. I didn't get any pics of my last run before going out of town. It's a little dark but that's what happens when you use 91% iso at room temperature. However it is shatter, not tarry which surprised me. Very potent, just a bitch to handle
     
  10. z9

    z9 Well-Known Member

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    How much flower does everyone use in their qwiso runs? I was going to run 7 grams, is there any advantage to using less... Or more?. I'm worried because if I mess up, I'm out a quarter. That isn't a lot for some, but I don't have the supply to lose that much weed.
     
  11. Edward Hyde

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    usually i run 5-7 grams also...but i have only made runs with mid quality yet...next week probably i will run my first high quality herbs...

    EDIT:anyone knows how i can get an oil slick ball shipped to europe?amazon wont ship it..
     
  12. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    i usually only run 3.5-7g myself.
     
  13. smokum

    smokum I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!

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    Theoretically, it shouldn't be a minimum or maximum... only a 'relative' return of concentrate based on 'what goes in is relative to what comes out'. It doesn't really matter IMO how much ISO you end up using because as it only means a longer purging time with the more you add.

    Using 'decent' bud I expect, and normally achieve, a return anywhere from 12-20%



    ALT carries them and I believe they ship to UK: http://aqualabtechnologies.com/concentrate-utensils/oil-slick-ball-pads.html
     
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  14. Puffers

    Puffers Micro-Climate Mastermind

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    You can always save your herb to cook with or run another extraction if you think it necessary.
     
  15. Edward Hyde

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    yes...but do they ship to greece?
     
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  17. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    The consistency of my best ISO was the same. Shatter at room temp, roll it into a ball with my fingers and it started to get real sticky. I found it easiest to transfer it to a small concentrates container and then used a dabber that had been warmed a split second.
     
  18. z9

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    Made some more qwiso with about 6 grams, maybe less of really piney smelling buds. Its pretty viscus... I'm positive that its fully purged too. I'm not sure why its oil instead of shatter like my previous attempts. I didn't really do anything different this time around. However it smells good, tastes good, and gets me super medicated so I'm happy​
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    There's still some more to add, I really need to get a scale​
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  19. Edward Hyde

    Edward Hyde Well-Known Member

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    how do you purge such quantities?
     
  20. z9

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    It really isnt that much oil, once scraped i had 2 and a half balls of gooey resin about the size of milk duds. I purge the oil in the glass dish a few ways. I have an air purifier that I blow air onto my dishes with because fans move too much dust. A home air purifier is just a fan with a HEPA filter. And I heat my dish in steaming water from the sink or I double boil it, well I don't actually boil the water because I don't want to vape the oil. I just get the water hot enough to start forming small bubbles on the bottom of the pan.
     
  21. Wicksy

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    Hey so iv read over this thread and i'm definitely going to attempt this! I have 4g of Bud, 2g of stem, and 1o of vaped bud. I was wondering if I should wash them together or do a separate wash for my vaped weed?

    Have been wanting to attempt this for a week+ but all my local shoppers are out of 99% ISO damn town of pot heads doing the same shit. LOL
     
  22. z9

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    I wouldn't mix abv with unvaped weed, just make separate batches. Plus it gives you more practice. If you haven't done it before run a batch with stems then abv then fresh buds so that you have some experience before you wash perfectly good weed and possibly mess it up. You can always redisolve the stem oil with your oil from unvaped buds. A lot of places don't sell 99% iso, good luck finding some locally. 91% works in a pinch but you'll definitely be happier with the oil ran from the 99%
     
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  23. Wicksy

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    Well Shoppers finally had some 99%ISO today so I grabbed a bottle. Did 3 wash's and combined into one. Used double broiler method until all ISO evaporated. It's very dark together but very honey colored when melting and in direct light. Its nice and firm, though I can use my dabber and take off hits easily. Only yielded .5 though. Not to bad I think for 4g of outdoor considering it gets me fried as hell with a very small dab.
     
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  24. Edward Hyde

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