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Discussion in 'ABV' started by AlterEgo, Jan 6, 2013.

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  1. AlterEgo

    AlterEgo Proud Papa

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    Hi there!

    New to the forum, which I just stumbled across on Google. I am very interested in portable vaping, more specifically 510 connection models. As most of you obviously know, a large part of the personal vaping options being released are basically re-branded and/or modded electronic cigarettes.

    As both a patient and an avid e-cig enthusiast, I figure a combination of the two would be ideal. Both me and the wife have been vaping electronic cigs for over a year and I have amassed a small collection of devices. From the VV Provari to VW wooden boxmods I have all types of APVs (advanced personal vaporizers, we recently have stopped referring to them as mods). My latest favorites are hybrids and rebuildable atomizers and we are experimenting with glass wicks and ceramic porous wicks but eh I could talk about them all day.

    Anyway, seeing as I already have a large amount of 510 connection threaded devices, attachments, and accessories, I would like to get some attachments for medical purposes. I am specifically looking for dry herb attachments, though I would like to see whats new and amazing in the concentrate department later on. I already have a wide variety of stuff I can and have used with wax and oils, because a lot of ecig stuff is directly compatible with oil.

    Thanks in advance for the help! And I am fairly knowledgeable about ecigs so if you have a question hit me up!
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    You may want to check out the Thermovape Cera. When they finally become available you can buy the core unit and three different "carts", one for loose leaf,(marijuana),essential oils,(hash) and one for Ecig juice. She will be spendy....like five hundred bucks with all three carts. Seems like a system like that would work for pretty much anything you choose to Vape.
    Now let me throw a question back at ya.....if I am a pack-a-day smoker ($7 a pack), would Ecigs save me any money? I'm not to worried about the health aspects, (I treat my body like a toilet..) but I could use a little extra cash.
    Shit, I forgot to say "welcome to FC"! This place has everything you'll ever need to know about vaporization...if you have any questions don't be afraid to ask. If no one knows the answer I will be happy to make one up right on the spot.
    Is there an Ecig equivalent forum I could check out? Like an all in one place for user reviews,product news and stuff like that? I've looked around a bit but haven't found an un-biased place yet....probably because I don't know wtf to look for.
    Anyway....sit back and read a bit...let the knowledge flow...I think you'll like it here.
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    In my experience, only if you can actually switch over from smoking and get a good source for e-juice. Don't mess around with cartridges.
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    Thanks King,that's what I needed to know. Any suggestions for good 'juice?
  5. AlterEgo

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    Thanks for the info! I was more interested in something that would screw into my existing devices, which are 510 threading. I believe the Atmos Dry Attachment is similar to what I m looking for but I read some bad reviews and am looking for a better product.

    As for saving you money with ecigs yes and no. Yes you will save money if you successfully switch to vaping over cigarettes, unless it becomes a hobby/addiction lol. A lot of people find themselves buying new ones all the time and collecting them, though most of my converts have stuck with their original device. The initial investment is greatest, starting at around $25 for the unit, $15 for a month of juice. I would personally recommend starting with a better unit, more in the $50-60 range with the option for variable voltage :)

    Google up the Innokin iTaste MVP, which you can shop around to find for 53.99 w/ free shipping. It is variable voltage and its battery is built in so you dont have to buy a charger or batteries seperately. It has othr features such as a puff counter and output charge (It has a usb port on it for output energy. Basically it can act a as backup battery for your phone or any other USB powered device.) After that all you need to buy is juice which you can gets from thousands of vendors which usually runs about 15-20 a bottle. You will also need to replace the cartomizer/atomizer as it is disposable every few weeks+

    For example couple that with a ce4 clearomizer ($5.50) and you have yourself a variable voltage version of the oil vaporizers found for medicine. Plus it has a battery life of a couple days or so. My wife's lasts a couple days and she is on it all day.

    Kingofnull - Its true you do need to find a good juice vendor, and cartridges are awful. Also, dont buy the ecigs that LOOK like cigarettes, they are all crap when compared to even a regular ego-T battery

    Oh and you can also make your own juice (which I do for me and all my converts) for more like $1 a bottle. I bought all my ingredients in bulk (roughly spent 70 bucks) and now we have enough juice materials to last us a couple years lol

    Oh I'm sorry I missed a couple of your questions! ECF is the largest ecig forum and they have the most info, though there are a few other reputable forums I frequent.

    e-cigarette-forum.com :)
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    Thanks Alt, appreciate the info. I was looking for a new addiction,and I think I've found a winner!
  7. AlterEgo

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    Glad I could help
  8. Jeff-K

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    Hi there, comming from the same angle I was looking in the same direction.

    I think maybe the closest thing to what you're looking for (that actually works) would be in the direction of the revolution/dart from Thermovape. It seems, with the cera, they completly left that path. I'm pretty shure tho that you can't use the earlier versions on your ego batts eather because it seems like those systems use stacked batts (=> higher voltage, like 8-9 volts or more)
    But I never came around to try any of these so don't quote me on any of it. Maybe someone with actual experience in vaping e-cigs and vaping MJ with similar setups might have some better advice?

    So, yeah I tried to make some hash cartos, (pretty shure it was a thread here on FC that I got instructions from to follow) and yes I had some great succes with them, but it was tedious work. So I decided that it's two different things that need a different approach.

    I've got a secondhand volcano, wich has been on a friend shelve for some time, for stationary use and a vaporgenie for on the road. I will be trying out other vapes; VG coil on it's way (wich I'd love to find some glass for) and looking into the inhalater XP. Same as with ecigs; I 've had about 5 different setups of wich 3 are still in use and going to get another one...

    Have a look into the inhalater, pax, solo, VaporGenie, iolite, cera, MFLB, the battery version of the VG that will be comming soon,... whatever portable that has at least some people on here that say it's a decent vape and falls into your budget and other criteria. Give it a go. But I would suggest to step away from the e-cig path. Unless you will be making (or buying) tinktures it seems to not be a good idea.

    As with all vapes, you do need to understand how the unit works, wich asks for some initial learning. Some people never come to it with one particular vape, some don't see the problem. I was somewhere inbetween with the VG. Now I get practically as satisfying sessions out of my VG as out of the volcano. BTW even with the Volcano there is some learning curve, heck vaping in general has a significant learning curve!

    You can get a VG Coil in the range of $35 - €35, all the way up to $300 - $500 and more for digital staionary units. And $1000+ if you'd like to include some nice glass with that. Shure with all that on the market there is one that commes close to fitting your needs. Now you go find it! ;)

    Anyway, these are just my 2 cents, YMMV!

    Cheers
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  9. AlterEgo

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    Hey Jeff! Thanks for the info!

    I'm gonna look up the Thermovape stuff now as only the Cera is listed on their site. Not worried whatsoever about the little eGo batts, only one I have is in my desk at work for extreme emergencies. Everything I own is Rebuildable Atomizer, Variable Voltage, Variable Wattage, or mechanical APVs. So I can achieve just about any necessary power level, for example stacked batts I would use a mechanical mod, mayeb a telescopic, or just byass all that and go for VW.

    Also, not really looking for oil/concrentrate models right now as I have one of each of the easily found carto/atty setups but just the ecig branded versions. Honestly I didn't even use that stuff for ecigs anyway.

    What I was mainly concerned about was the threading, because I'd like to thread directly into 510 without the use of an adapter. Its hard to justify buying a whole new vape for dry herb when you already own a few $300 ecigs ya know? Already poor enough lol, so I'm trying to just get an attachment part.

    I am currently working on making a DIY dry herb atty such as the one found here by Pipes but out of a different RBA

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/diy-bulli-vaporizer.6601/page-4

    What kind of ecig were you thinking of getting next? a lot of new stuff is coming out for better prices than before.

    Tinctures are a PITA IMO, and the setups I've rigged for oil are working fairly well, especially when you pump an extra volt over normal :) I really just want something portable for dry herb. I have been researching the different PV's for medicinal herb including those PV's you mentioned. A friend sent me an iolite which should be here soon so I am trying that out. I found something called the Atmos Raw Dry herb Attachment which is the right threading and is exactly the "type" I am looking for, but I have read that it is a pile of crap...
  10. 1_gr8_underdog

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    Hi alter,
    I have never used this attachment but based on price it might be worth a look?


    Found at http://www.atmosrx.com/Empty-Cartridges/View-all-products.html


    Atmos Bullet Cartridge 2pk / 510 Bullet Cartridge[​IMG]


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    Start your day off with 4 loaded cartridges to carry you through the day. The Atmos Bullet Cartridge is ideally used to heat up dry herbs and can also be used for waxy oils when spring is removed. When in use it’s preferred to be used with the Atmos cone to avoid direct contact with the warm cartridge. Pack reasonably, the amount of herbs/oils for sufficient draws then attach to most Atmos battery / 510 battery, and Enjoy! “Use mini fiber brush to clean your cartridges after use with dry herbs” (sold separately)
    • Two Atmos bullet cartridges.

    Only $19.95
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  11. 1_gr8_underdog

    1_gr8_underdog Trapped in the Astral Planes

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    Sorry missed that part and it might not give you the clean vape your looking for?
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  12. AlterEgo

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    I hadn't considered those Bullet 510 cartos yet but I am considering it now, least to give them a go at a cheap price. The Raw attachment is larger with a ceramic heating chamber, it looks like it could work well in theory but I read a little bit on both sides when I looked it up. Most of what I found didn't make it sound as promising but they may have had a revision since those were posted, I didn't think to remember the dates.

    I'm also hoping by using regulated mods I can lower or raise the power to avoid combustion but I won't know with those models til I try. I saw this rebuildable while I was searching

    http://forums.aussievapers.com/club-vape-|-off-topic-discussion/8512-dry-herb-atomiser.html

    which says it can be used for dry herb as well, and I am holding one that looks exactly like it. The only couple differences being there is only one positive post rather than two, and that center pin doesn't screw off. Gonna try and drill it out from underneath tomorrow if I have time :)

    Its really hard to believe they don't have a more commonly available attachment for 510 threading already, I was really hoping it would have just been done and perfected I guess :mmmm:
  13. Jeff-K

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    Hey,

    Next e-cig would e a VH-pipe with a VH-genesis. For when I go places I don't want to take my iHybrid or (generic) VVMod. And then I can finally retire my eGo batts to the emergency drawer. ;)

    Are you saying that you have decent success with a 510 connected atty on max 6V for using concentrates? I wouldn't mind finding an e-cig solution for isolator hash and/or BHO wax that is less of a PITA then filling a carto with BHO/e-liquid mix. Maybe I should buy a rebuildable drip atty from VH as well.

    Anyway, I can see an ecig like solution work for tinctures or concentrates. But I don't see it working anywhere near as good for dry herb as the $35 VGcoil. (I recieved it this morning, and I can confirm;)) Dry herb needs a different way of heating. The thing is, as you shurely know using RBAs, The juice/oil wicking in ecigs is very important to regulate the coil temperature. If you fire a coil dry it heats up to glowing (and burning) temps. I'm shure there's techniques that yield some results, but... Have a look into Convection vs Conduction used for vaping. What I understood from reading here and there; Basically dry herbs are to bad a conductor to use conduction so convection is a much better choices of heating. This translated to e-cigs, I think for conduction to work you need a much bigger surface that's heated to a lower temp than that of a glowing resistance wire coil. (MFLB for example)

    Again, YMMV, just my two cents,... But I'm shure there are Vapes to be found that still fit your budget and just work. You have to admit, 35, that's what you would pay for a Chinese knockoff rebuildable with some kanthal and wick anyway.

    So yeah, I like to add to my earlier statement a bit, but the jist of it stays; Step away from the e-cig path, if you'd like to vape dry herb.;)

    Meh, I hope you prove me wrong (and share how you did it;))

    Cheers
  14. AlterEgo

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    Oh too cool! What a coincidence I actually have a very similar setup, except mine is from Jazz ePipes. The switch style is a little different but it rips with a genny attached :) A lot of cool VVmods have been coming out for more around 40-50 bucks lately which is cool too. What kind of iHybrid do you have? I am really into them right now but I just have a Green Envy V1 and a Standard. The Flower LE is shipping soon and I got one for the wife. (Honestly I'm poor as hell, have a wife and daughter and am the only bread-winner, we live in a small one-bedroom apartment. People just give me these ecigs because I give back to the community so don't think I have money when I say I have multiple models lol)

    Ok let me clarify I have only tried this with BHO oil, and unmixed. I had looked around at mixing ideas but IMO I don't think it will work well because oil and glycerin do NOT mix well, they will separate. I was using this on a regulated 3-5v mod (.1 increments), with a lower resistance CE4 carto so I never had to take it up to full 5v. I found that you need to remove the rubber stopper to bare the coil. Then I heated up the oil and injected it into the carto fully soaking the wick at each of the 4 ends. I then dabbed a small amount directly onto the coil to get her started. This was my second attempt at using ecig related cartos and I just matched what I found was being sold already. It works fairly well and got a sesh of about 6 people ripped without giving the device a break. I actually was able to top it off and leave it home for the girls and when I came home from work they said it worked fantastic all day. But they are not vapor snobs like me lol

    I also tried it with the Giantomizer Pen cap style, like what the G-pen was using and I just didn't like it. It worked ok for dabbing. Some of best results so far have been with Rebuildables, but only dripping RBA's or bottom feeder RBAs using silica wicks. I found with an ERA (bottom fed rebuildable) if I dabbed on the coil it worked well, and the whole atty heats up (dont touch with finger hot) so excess in the atty flowed right back into the wick. I also tried the oil on a SS mesh genny atty as a dab which worked great for a couple tokes, but I do NOT recommend it as it is messy and kind of wasteful lol If you wanna give the bottom-fed RBAs a go I think the A7 Atomizer is like a 15-20$ copy of the ERA, or there's always the $6 Phoenix Clone

    ^^ Anyway thats the testing I've done with oil thus far, gonna revisit it as I still have a bunch of oil but I am more interested in dry herb ^^

    I ordered that Vapor Genie coil you suggested and I can't wait to try it out. I hate having to use a lighter but I love vaping, and whats the point of asking for help if you don't try the suggestions?? :D I am also considering giving that Atmos Raw attachment a go, as I found it on eBay for around $50 instead of the $189 they are asking for it on their site. If it doesn't work well enough I can always try to mod it.

    I started saving for some thermovape products or something directly suited for this as you suggested. Unless something new comes out, my homemade RBA for dry herb and maybe the cartos or Raw will be my last tries at ecig conversion. I REALLY hope I can prove you wrong but we'll see lol. I am only 5 days into this project of ecig conversion, starting last Sunday, so we'll see how it goes.

    Thanks for bearing through this novel with me, sorry but ecigs and herb are my main hobbies so I tend to be a chatterbox.
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    What kind of iHybrid do you have?
    I got the standard iHy, it looks exotic enough for my taste.

    IMO I don't think it will work well because oil and glycerin do NOT mix well, they will separate.
    Yep, and that's what made me decide against them.

    Some of best results so far have been with Rebuildables, but only dripping RBA's or bottom feeder RBAs using silica wicks.
    That's what I was about to try out


    I ordered that Vapor Genie coil you suggested and I can't wait to try it out.
    Read up on the VG thread, alot of people in there who know their pipe.

    I started saving for some thermovape products or something directly suited for this as you suggested.
    Well the thermovape gear, as said, don't take my word for it. I haven't tried anything of it. And had allot of Q's without A's.

    Thanks for bearing through this novel with me, sorry but ecigs and herb are my main hobbies so I tend to be a chatterbox.
    Lol +1 on both ;)
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    I am going to set up a second ERA with BHO oil only today and I will let you know how it goes. This is an ERA though the one in the picture is a dripping not the bottom-fed I am trying it on

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    So heres my hypothesis;
    When BHO oil is heated is becomes much less viscous, easily to the point of propylene glycol when hot enough, though I've found it travels sort of like alcohol when it soaks into the buds. As you can see, there is very little room between where the coil is located and the bottom of the "tank" (flat surface above top o-ring once cap is put on.) So the oil will not have to travel far on the wick.

    When you use an ERA after a few tokes the unit gets really hot, which I hypothesize will heat the oil enough for it to travel easily through the wick. This should allow you to use straight BHO oil placed directly into the atty after the top cap is placed on but before the drip tip is, with maybe an initial dab placed on the coil before placing on the top cap.

    Again, this is just a theory. I will post some results after I get off work, put the baby to bed, and try it out :)
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    Ok so tomorrow I should have some time to organize the photos and a good post on how it went. One set up the only thing I used in it was oil (no ejuice or even pg or vg for primer) to see how the results came out. I had a group of 7 adults using it off and on for a few hours, varying up how heavily we were using it at a time each round. Overall it worked really well but I still need to take some after-shots of the unit to see how much waste and mess was left behind, how much is trapped in the wick still. How the coil fared.

    After that I should load it back up and take some performance shots lol I admit after I set it up the first time I entirely forgot to take more pictures its kinda funny. The pictures right now go 1. empty, cleaned unit w/o coil. 2. wick and coil added. 3. primer dab. 4. replace top cap. 5. fill from top 6. place on drip tip..... then nothing :doh:

    We tried it on two units, both working on low power. First was a variable wattage and later after we found around the right heat we tried it on a variable voltage unit, but kept the power at roughly 3.7 so it didn't matter too much if we used something regulated I suppose.

    One thing I do wonder tho, is how this would perform on a standard dripping atty tho? Maybe even a nice one like the AVA atty (which is actually made by Thermovape, never put that together until now lol)
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    Hi welcome I am on a similar search. Been using e-cigs for a year now and looking for a similar setup for herbs. I have an MFLB for herbs and a LR DART for oils. Flight box works well enough but is not as handy/stealthy as an e-cig based design. DART works great with my Alpha or an e-go twist if I want a bit more heat. Looked at the original Thermovape for herbs and the Cera's when they were announced but either would have involved going to a new setup instead of using my existing e-cig batteries and were a bit pricey and large. Just found this convertible at Nicfitnation.com and at $20 with $10 replacement attys or you can rebuild yourself I'm probably going to give them a try. They do note that herb will combust giving you more of a smoke than vapor but I think that I may prefer that. If not I can try regulating the power at $20 it's cheap enough to trash. If I get one I'll let you know what I think of it. Just noticed this is the one you posted the link to on the aussie forum.

    http://www.nicfitnation.com/herbal-solid-atomizer/

    kato

    P.S. They note on the site that this device is not intended for use with illegal substances. Not that anyone here would ever think of doing anything like that.
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