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ModPod: Rebuildable Convection Herb and Concentrate Vaporizer for TC Box Mods.

Discussion in 'Upcoming and Unreleased Portable Vaporizers' started by supershredderdan, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. Summer

    Summer Well-Known Member

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    What is pulse with breathing technique? Thank you.
     
  2. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    You might have to clarify things with RBT if you intend to use his allegedly patented heater technology in a commercial product.

    Would be a first if you were able to cool the vapor enough in such a short height package. Nobody managed to do it so far, and nearly all convection vapes that I have (including custom 510 RDAs I built) are already at the limit of what is supportable when used dry, and they have considerably longer stems.
     
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  3. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    I am pretty sure there are mesh heaters used in hot air soldering stations,and e-cig atomizers ,еven the good old MFLB.. I highly doubt that RBt Patent will have any weight just because a heater is made out of mesh, unless it is 1 to 1 copy... ,. Ceramic rod heaters are used in many vapes, i dont see how if Vaporbrothers or 7th floor patent theirs and it would have any weight on a patent claim ,while they are used in numerous models of soldering irons and other appliances.
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  4. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    I use a Vandy Vape Mesh RDA for e-juice so I don't think you'll have any legal issues.

    @Accept has an interesting thread about the VVMesh and concentrate use here.
     
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  5. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    Well it's more a matter of being fair rather than legal issues. Patents never protected anyone, they just give you the opportunity to go to court and spend a fortune trying to defend your case, which individuals and small businesses can't afford anyway...

    Plus, so far nobody found any trace of RBT's patent application. But Ryan was rather open and even proposed to several manufacturers some kind of collaboration or licensing.

    It has no incidence if the technology is found in hot air guns, patents are for a product class or a type of usage. A dry herb vaporizer is not the same kind of product as a hot air gun or soldering iron. As for other vapes, the line is more blurry, but it's the configuration / arrangement that matters. Besides, Ryan is in direct contact with the MFLB guys and even got their blessings... so back to the being fair argument.
     
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  6. supershredderdan

    supershredderdan Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    I am referring to Vandy Vapes mesh for installing into the build deck of our prototype for testing purposes. No relation to RBT's mesh heater.


    I am open to any collaboration Ryan wants to provide, I am hoping to coexist with other creators rather than compete. If Ryan is open to incorporating his heaters as a coil option for a royalty then that would be rad. I will just put it out there though that I started this project almost a year before I started this thread and did not know about the splinter at all. My inspiration was my own experiments and pipes' project threads. ModPod is a different product than the Splinter and appeals to a different customer segment within the space (mainly those looking for an herb vape that works and acts like an ecig, rather than those who want to turn their ecig into an herb vape). Here is our patent filing number for a "modular convection heating assembly" for use with universal ENDS

    US Provisional Patent Application No. 62/516,554.

    I want to connect with as many industry people as possible to bring the best products to you guys, and I want to be as transparent about my business practices, inspiration, and intentions as possible.
     
  7. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    A big plus for the VandyVape mesh is how simple it is to replace the coil. If it does work with the ModPod and produces the vapor as desired then I think it's a good option to have.

    I do think it may be a more power hungry coil than your standard coiled wire so the smaller mods may not be a good fit for it.
     
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  8. supershredderdan

    supershredderdan Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    generally pretty low resistance (.1-.15 ohm)

    different coils/elements suit different set ups
     
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  9. supershredderdan

    supershredderdan Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Exploded assembly:

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    Left to right: outer body, build deck partially screwed into base, airflow adjustment top cap/outer cooling chamber, midpiece/inner cooling chamber, 810 drip tip, herb pod

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    On a rx200

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    On a coolfire IV

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  10. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    Hell yeah bro! Love watching this one develop, been posting on here for a while that 510 mod powered vapes are the future. Good looking discrete device too, not gaudy or obtrusive looking.
     
  11. kuzko

    kuzko Well-Known Member

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    Wow, that looks pretty slick.
     
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  12. b0

    b0 Cloudy...

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    It definitely looks amazing! Also looks like it's gonna be really easy to clean, love it!
     
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  13. supershredderdan

    supershredderdan Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Working on a full website, what would you guys like to see? I am thinking of a design similar to an apple product intro page but with interactive elements like the dynavap site. Would love feedback on what people feel is the best way to do the layout, what tabs to have, etc.

    Video demo of the first machined prototype coming up, it isn't perfect but we know exactly what needs to change. mainly we are redesigning the body and airflow from internal top down to bottom up, in order to reduce retained heat in the body and optimize heat transfer from coil to herb.
     
  14. supershredderdan

    supershredderdan Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Click to play YouTube Video


    Quick demo, abv was after 3 more off camera hits. How do you guys feel about the assembly, load process, performance etc? First hit was 70 watts, then 77, then through water at I believe 80
     
  15. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge

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    Well done...I’m in!
     
  16. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    70-80W !!, it's a lot of power!

    How is the battery life? I think it's not usable with a 1 battery mod.

    TC?
     
  17. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    Whoa...looking good there Dan! :tup: Thems some chalky hits @ 80w, are you sure you aren't combusting on us there? :spliff: haha j/k

    The modpod is looking better and better, looks proper on your mod. Now that I can see you hold all the little parts and components and assemble them, I'm getting a much better idea of how this thing works.

    How the air path / cooling works, it's hard to see exactly from the video :uhh: but I'll trust that you know what to do about all that. Now I can really see the build deck and the coils. For some reason, I was thinking you had vertical metal coils in little convection tubes, but now I see you have horizontal coils on a (postless?) build deck with airflow being channeled above the deck somehow?

    Theoretically, the user can rebuild with a variety of coil types / heaters that would fit in there. Now I can see that modding the pod with ceramic donuts, for example, could be possible. But I have no reason to believe this would work better for convection vaping of flowers than SS metal coils would, (although maybe it could be made to work?) and you will probably ship these things out ready-to-vape with a pre-build deck, having it calibrated to work well in that configuration, at least?

    My dislike of metal wires is only for conduction vaping, not convection :tinfoil: haha

    The pod for holding the herb material seems about right too, modular, easy to clean, swap out, reload, etc. About 0.25-0.3g capacity is probably right, if anything, maybe a wee-tad-bit smaller? :suspicious: Anything bigger, like 0.5g, then it's no fun to puff on the same bowl of toasted, tasteless flowers for too many puffs / minutes to completely vape up / extract from your bowl, more strain on the mod / battery with longer sessions. Better to enjoy two quarter gram sessions back-to-back than a single half G load on a device like this, IMO. Gotta optimize the airflow on those little flower holder / pod things too.

    And I think you should focus on optimizing your modpod for flower vaping, primarily. If by chance or luck, or with very slight modification, or with a separate customized pod, your device will also work great with concentrates (or a flower / bho shatter sandwich), then that's great. :nod: But I wouldn't try to compromise or trade-off good flower vaping performance to make it work a little better with oils. The little flower pods might leak oil in this proto-type, but no need to worry about that at this stage

    The mouthpiece cap is a great idea too! I hate getting lint on my drip tips and mouthpieces when I pocket my mods with RTAs. I've looked around but haven't found an easy, elegant solution to this yet.


    Big watts life! I was thinking the same thing. The form factor of the mod pod looks like it would pair well with some compact single cell 18650 mods like the eleaf pico, or even better, a steel evic primo mini SE :drool:

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    Requiring that much power puts it at the outer limits of a single cell mod. You can use some of those batteries with a higher CDR, but those cells have much less battery life (mah) too, so less sessions per charge. :(

    What is the resistance of the coils you used in the prototype Daniel? Then we can get an idea of the amp load required for your atty, as it currently is. I know this could be changed, but I figure you'll decide on a default coil setup to ship this out when it's ready, and hopefully this will be able to be powered on most single 18650 mods with higher capacity, 2500-3000mah batteries that don't do the super high amp draw rates? :)
     
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  18. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    That being said, and despite me sounding alarmist at times, they do vape at 70W on LG HG2's and al. in the Tubo thread... But they also have to swap their cells often and don't mind the low battery life apparently.

    It's clearly pushing the limit, surely not good for the cells, but not in a dangerous way, at least on mods having "weak cell" detection features.
     
  19. danald2000

    danald2000 Well-Known Member

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    When will the early reviewers start getting units?

    Any updates on the timeline when these will be available to the public?

    New ideas on price?
     
  20. Hippie

    Hippie Well-Known Member

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    Wow

    Like the airflow design and size of the unit.

    Would like to see more of the deck (hoping we can use SS mesh coils)
     
  21. supershredderdan

    supershredderdan Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Sup donkey, always bringing the great posts. airpath is currently top down through the body and enters the bottom chamber right next to the coils. There are a few issues with heat transfer the way we have it now so the next prototype will have a much thinner outer body and bottom up airflow with tubes directing the air directly to the coil. This build deck and heatsink are off the shelf, not our design as our postless deck needs some connectivity tweaks

    Thats the idea. we will most likely ship with dual SS coils built in, but as Ive always said, the heating element is the personality of the vape, so different users will appreciate different set ups. I'd assume a ceramic donut would be best for flavor chasers, single coils for people wanting great battery life or compact mods, and dual coils for high performance.


    Noted, but with full convection any load size works pretty well. I took a vapcap M pack (probably .1 or so) and dumped it into the pod just to see how the same load compared across the two pieces. ModPod got me about 3 large hits whereas the vapcap got me 4 medium hits so similar efficiency and slightly better extraction. Next herb pod is going with a different intake hole design to further improve heat distribution. Currently there are some small hotspot issues but less so than most glass stem set ups ive used. Next revision will have less graduation in the base and have a larger center floor to distribute heat to the outer perimeter of the load first.


    for sure, concentrate use at the moment is mainly direct vaporization on the coils. Should improve in tandem with our modifications for flower though, as directed airflow improves vapor production on concentrate coils ( see Matt from DT's demo of his new RDA or the directed airflow bubbler) Will probably look into a convection pod with Ti or SS mesh as a future piece for hercules style load and go.


    glad to hear the positive feedback on this, the Miracle S did a similar cap but I wanted to take this design a bit further and use the cap to add to the iconic-ness (???) of the device. Also really helps keeping the odor away when knocking around in your pocket.

    these dual SS coils flux from .28 to .3 so most of the time it runs at 4.6-5V. Hoping some of our changes for heat transfer efficiency will make it easier to get a large hit with less power. On my rx2/3 I'm getting around 7 bowls out of one charge, or 30-40 hits from 2 18650s

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  22. Other Side

    Other Side In the clouds

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    Patiently waiting. :wave:
     
  23. supershredderdan

    supershredderdan Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Been working on a full website and material for investors, check out this demo for concentrate, concentrate + low temp flower, then a high temp sesh for full extraction in 2 hits

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  24. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    This ones gonna really shake things up!
     
  25. vapen00b

    vapen00b various on-demand full convection units

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    @supershredderdan Great Job. Count me in and please add me to your list, if there was one! :)
    Keep the vids coming :tup:
     
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