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Master Wu's Green Dragon Tincture w/ ABV

Discussion in 'Cooking with Cannabis' started by pseudox, Oct 8, 2014.

  1. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    I have made green dragon tincture with high grade weed following Master Wu's method. I just tried it with ABV, so I thought I would post it here. As its a week day, I have not tested it yet but will post a trip report maybe Saturday.

    Note:This uses Everclear 190 and heat, so it is very flammable. Please use caution and don't get the Everclear around the heating element. USE THIS RECIPE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

    ABV Alcohol Tincture

    ITEMS NEEDED
    - ABV (I use 6.3g)
    - Everclear (190 proof is the best, if you have trouble finding it locally google wine chateau online store)
    - Mason jar
    - Candy thermometer
    - Large pot
    - Funnel
    - 4 oz glass dropper bottle( may need bigger for larger amount of ABV)
    - Muslin bag


    1) Take a Mason Jar, remove lid, and fill with ABV ( I used 6.3 grams.)
    2) Pour enough Everclear 190 proof to cover the ABV.
    3) Put candy thermometer in mason jar.
    4) Fill Pot with 1 to 2 inches of water and put mason jar in middle.
    5) Turn on stove and get the thermometer to reach 170 degrees F. Make sure to turn on the stove fan if you have one.
    6) Once it reaches ~170 degrees F turn on a timer or use a clock for 20 minutes.
    7) Watch the thermometer so it doesn't go above 174 degrees F, stir with thermometer every 5-8 minutes.
    8) After 20 minutes turn off stove, put on oven mitts, and take mason jar out of pot.
    9) Put away thermometer and let mason jar sit for 10 minutes or until cool.
    10) Put dropper bottle with top off in sink, put funnel in top of dropper bottle.
    11) Put muslin bag over top of mason jar and slowly empty mason jar into muslin bag into funnel.
    12) Make sure and squeeze all the liquid into the funnel.
    13) Now you have ABV tincture. Since everyone is different, start with 1 dropper full and go from there. It will take 45 minutes to an hour to kick in and lasts for a couple hours for me. I like to mix it with Orange Juice. Enjoy!
     
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  2. Snappo

    Snappo Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!" Accessory Maker

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    I would suggest starting with no more than 1/2 dropper full, wait 45-90 minutes, and add from there, if needed. Tinctures can be tricky and potency will vary greatly from batch-to-batch. ABV tincture can be very potent - proceed with caution.
     
  3. Breathemetal

    Breathemetal Well-Known Member

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    This is a nice guide.
    Ill be following this when i make mine. Going to go a bit stronger though. 10g abv.
     
  4. fft

    fft Well-Known Member

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    I'm very interested to hear how the taste testing turns out, @pseudox. Keep us posted.

    I've tried ethanol tinctures a few times and have never been happy with the results. I've gone down two paths: the highly concentrated version a la Master Wu and a less concentrated version for sipping.

    For the Master Wu version I'd like to use ABV and have it be concentrated enough to make candy with or at least concentrated enough to administer a few drops sublingually. Of course the taste is always awful and I've never achieved the same effect that I get with butter/oil.

    I've also been curious about making a "sipping" tincture. I've only tried once, putting ABV in barrel proof bourbon and letting it sit. The taste was awful as one might predict.

    The one I want to make someday with fresh weed is something like this from an article a few years back in Popular Science of all places.
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    These guys use good mezcal which say goes well with the cannabis flavor. I've never seen any recipe like that anywhere else since. They use a cream whipper with nitrous under pressure to make the extraction happen instantly.

    Anyway, would be interested to hear of others' success with alcohol tinctures, especially with ABV.
     
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  5. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    Ive made green dragon by adding mid grade weed to a bottle of Everclear 151 and letting it sit for 2 weeks. I mixed 2 to 3 shots in a orange juice and frozen strawberries. It would definitely make you extremely drunk also compared to the high only feeling from Master Wu's method. I have also made vodka with a blend of high grade weed a few years back. I even made a graphic of it. [​IMG]
    It had good flavor but it takes a lot more for an effect.
     
  6. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    Update: I was doing about 5 droppers full of this recipe with high grade bud, so I did the same with this ABV recipe. Gets you nice and toasty. The only real difference is that its much more a body high with the ABV then high grade.
     
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  7. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    Here is a picture of what the setup looks like it.

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  8. Biznatch

    Biznatch Member

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    That is WAAAAAY too little bud for a bottle. Regular green dragon is 3.5g:2oz ratio of bud:alcohol. I typically do 1:1, then cook longer until the alcohol reduces by half (usually 1-2 hours @ 170F). That's with good bud too. If using ABV (which i would NOT do for a tincture, bleh. Save it for butter/cooking), I would double the ratio of bud to alcohol. When making butter I usually do like 2-3 ounces ABV to 1-2 sticks of butter and get crazy potent cookies. The butter even comes out green afterwards, which surprises me every time since the ABV is all brown.
     
  9. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    That sounds like some real potent ABV butter. I'm not a daily vaper, more of a weekend warrior type, so It would take me a very long time to build that much up. I invested in an Arizer Solo, which is awesome. I also have a PVHES stem coming in the mail, so I can prepack my stock and the PHVES stem. If I get in the habit of that, im sure I can build up some more ABV. I know a lot of people who toss their ABV. I, on the other hand, think its pretty useful. The above tincture recipe has some good results. If someone wants to be extra stealth, I also suggest maybe investing in a dropper bottle that has some kind of retail labeling on it like http://amzn.com/B000W0G62E
     
  10. Biznatch

    Biznatch Member

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    That ABV is usually saved up over 6+ months. No need to rush with the ABV, it's not going to go bad. I just use the regular 2oz amber jars with dropper. Got a 12 pack for like 10$ from amazon. No sense faking the label, once you open it you just smell alcohol/weed.

    I use the solo as my main vape as well, and all of those ounces of ABV came from it. Did you get the turbo or turbo shorty? If so you'll never use the regular stem again. I just ordered a new solo (my M1A is over 3 years old, now it's my backup), and didn't even bother unpacking the stems. Turbo shorty or turbo GONG are the only stems I use now.
     
  11. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    Ive got the "PVHES Straight Turbo w/tube" coming, cant wait to see what all the hype is about.
     
  12. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    I'm trying a cold method right now. I don't like the taste that comes out when you heat the AVB for the extraction. A big glass jar full of AVB barely topped with pure alcohol, so it's very concentrated. It have been sitting something like 3 days for now, it's not time to strain already. I just took 20g's of it with a sauce spoon and mixed it with some home made fruit smoothie into a tasty punch.

    Sounds like it should be very strong based on what you guys are saying. I can't wait to feel the hit !
     
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  13. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    If you do the cold method, you may want to wait 2 weeks before its ready. That was what I used to do when I used the cold method with Bud. I would also shake the jar every day to improve absorption.
     
  14. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    I was thinking about putting the jar on top of my PC tower to keep it warmer, and still let it sit a long time. In my experiences, warm extractions gives off a more sleepy buzz. Do you feel the difference ?

    After you strain, do you toss the herbs ? I use a small handheld press puree to get more juice of it but there is still some stuff in there, I think I'm going to save the impregnated AVB in some other jar.
     
  15. killick

    killick But I like it!

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    The first time I made this was with 4 grams of finely ground herb, and Everclear 97% to about an inch overtop. I used a smaller diameter jar, and just kept it low simmer for an hour. I couldn't really take it straight from the dropper as it burned, so started putting droppers into juice and tea.

    Time to try another batch tho - picked up another bottle of High Test Everclear (is 151 really strong enough to make tinc?) so may get started with some cold stuff now, and try the cold method. I have time, and the stove is gas, so don't wanna use it to cook anything with potential to blow up :)
     
  16. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    If its ABV I would toss it, not much you can do after using it twice. If its fresh herb, you can save and dry it on wax paper for an hour or so, you can still smoke or vape it but it does crackle a bit.

    The Higher the alcohol percentage, the better the end yield. I use 190 proof that I buy online, you can PM me if you need a link.
     
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  17. killick

    killick But I like it!

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    I was wondering about the 151 proof/75% comment, which I should have quoted. Oopsie) - after drinking a bazillion gallons back in the day I know it works, but is it high enough alcohol content to allow for a full extraction?

    I just picked up a couple of bottles of 190 proof/95% Everclear, plus a couple of litres of 99% ISO, so we are good... time to put it to work! :)
     
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2015
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  18. sickmanfraud

    sickmanfraud Well-Known Member

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    I have been making tinctures monthly for over 2 years now.

    I use the recipe found on GC by PsychadelicSam. The results are very impressive.

    The only reason I am commenting now is that no one mentioned the danger of reducing alcohol with an open flame.
     
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  19. Chezgreendream

    Chezgreendream First the flavor, then the buZzz settles in....

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    Can you post Where that recipe is? I searched for it but didnt find any results.
     
  20. Snappo

    Snappo Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!" Accessory Maker

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    5 droppers full, or 5 drops??? If it's "droppers full" and the effects are ok, then the tincture is waaaay too weak. If it's 5 drops from the dropper then it's a very good potency. If someone were to take 5 "droppers full" of good potency tinc, that could be VERY VERY bad! Be careful my friends ...tinc is nothing to play with. Know what you're doing ...and make sure that your advice is accurate!
     
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  21. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    So important to have accurate info regarding anything that you take orally. Taking too much can be a terrible experience and lasts for several hours.

    If it's something you haven't used before try it out slowly. A little at a time.
     
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  22. Beezleb

    Beezleb Well-Known Member

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    Here is what I recommend and its not dangerous, at least not yet hehe.

    Take atleast 4x times than you would be smoking. About 3/4 to 1/2 of dried crumbled product put into a mason jar. Matters not if you use big or small mouth jars.

    Got get 1 fifth of everclear or similar grain alcohol. The highest percentage the better.
    Turn oven on at 220f degrees and preheat.
    Evenly put material in a baking dish evenly and low spread on the middle rack.
    bake for no more and no less 20 minutes. That is right 20 minutes.
    Then take out of oven put into mason jar to fill 1/2 way to 3/4
    Put in mason jar no more than 3/4 ways full and fill with alcohol
    let sit in refrigerator or dark spot for 20 to 30 minutes (refrigerator just makes it taste smoother)
    after 20-30 minutes (the longer the soak it will make it green, you want it golden in color, to much green upset your stomach with chlorophyll.)
    Use painter cloth, cheese cloth what have to strain
    squeeze the shit out of the material to get every last drop as if it owes you money and talked about your momma, you know the momma you like.
    Then take a shot glass
    fill 1/4 of shot glass
    fill rest with soda or what have you
    wait about 30 to 45 minutes
    thank Beezleb.
    Editing in, beware, if you use high quality stuff, this amount will be more than enough for most people. If you have a high tolerance, a full shot will put you in twilight zone so be careful and respect it until you do it once.

    If you want to see if their is any value of re running your mix run your fingers through it, if it feels oily then run again, if it just feels tingly and sorta dry from the alcohol its done for the most part is my view.

    Enjoy and be safe, now I will back to memory but as I stopped by I thought I would add what I found best.
     
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  23. Beezleb

    Beezleb Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I just realized that was about abv. My bad. Same thing but go 3/4 way up of jar and do not use oven.

    Original swamp water is what I enjoy.
    1 fifth of everlclear or similar
    Mason jar 3/4 way full of abv, the lighter vaped the better.
    Fill Mason jar with alcohol.
    Shake the shit out of it like it owes you money. (you want the material not to be overly ground or you will get sludge, if you do, its nasty but it wont hurt you.) I recommend leaving it just as the vaporizer left it, if some bigger pieces just run your fingers through it before putting in far to break any larger than most pieced but shouldn't be an issue.
    wait 20-30 minutes, put in dark place or refrigerator.
    after 20- 30 minutes strain via paint strainer or cheesecloth or what have you.
    squeeze it like it owes you money and insulted your favorite kids thing that keeps him quiet and happy.
    Mix about 1/2 a shot and mix with soda or what you will.
    after about 30-45 minutes
    thank Beezleb.

    Most people will find it repulsive but they will ask for it when they visit. I love it...

    Editing in:

    If I was going to mix it I would try 3/4 green dragon and 1/4 swamp water. Swamp water and put some people to sleep. Keep mind their are varying factors. I do not overly vape my material as to keep for effective reuse. I generically think this would be the sweet spot.
     
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  24. pseudox

    pseudox Well-Known Member

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    Beezleb,
    Thanks for this recipe, Ive done something similar, although I didnt decarb the herb first and I used 150 proof everclear and let it sit for 2 weeks or more. The recipe I adapted from Master Wu allows for faster and more complete cannabinoid extraction. Ive found by doing a "cold" extraction, there is more alcohol with the product. This can be good as a recreational aspect, but with my recipe above there is a tiny albeit more concentrated amount of alcohol in the end amount. With my recipe, I don't have any "drunk" effects and only a high medicated feeling. Ive found with cooking herb into products such as butter, you always have to eat something and its harder to dose. With my method in the OP, Its much easier to titrate your own dosage.
     
  25. Beezleb

    Beezleb Well-Known Member

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    If alcohol is an issue. You could add your dose to say some hot tea or coffee and let the alcohol evap out. While I have not tried this myself I know people who do this. If you cannot have alcohol I would look for another source but if its just to avoid the effects of the alcohol this should be just as effective.

    Generally the wait for doing it like you did is a month and people often go for 6 months. Just make sure you keep it dark. I do not like the high chlorophyll aspect of it as it can upset ones stomach.

    Just another way to skin a rabbit. Its all good.
     
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