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Mason Jar BHO Method?

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by CheeseSandwich, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Bon Dog

    Bon Dog Well-Known Member

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  2. z9

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    Thanks, but I've read that. I was hoping for some experiences and thoughts from users here on FC.
  3. Bon Dog

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    I havent tried it yet. i will boing a test run in a week or 2 with some shawg/mids then polish the crap out of it. but remove some b4 polishing and test the results
  4. smokum

    smokum The Guy Your Mother Warned You About

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    My only concerns with this method are:

    - The integrity of the mason jar glass with extreme cold of butane, as well as the semi final purging glass jar & lid while being exposed to the warm water bath.

    - In the beginning, when filling the jar with butane, is the use of the metal on metal lid. It scares the bejesus out of me of a possible source of spark/heat with the two metals rubbing to tighten/release the lid (whether only slight pressure is applied or not).

    - The integrity of the material on the inside of the mason jar lid that's there to seal it, as well as the alloys of the lid parts themselves using butane as a solvent.

    - The semi final stage of 'scraping' out the dish (that was used to purge with the loose glass lid). Looks to be a bitch of a process and why I moved to spraying directly onto an oil-slick pad.

    Paranoia ? Perhaps..... but man, better safe (or as safe as you possibly can), than sorry in my book.

    Just my musings and :2c:
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  5. Trever

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    Leave the lid part out no reason for pressurizing butane in there =X. Why i like this method is its easier for me to do small/larger quantities and have them sit. We got a cooler set up with about 10 pounds of dry ice we submerge everything in and let the butane sit with the material for up to 10 minutes without a bubble from the tane. Then just zip tie our lab filter on the top and let drain onto the slick pad. Its nice smelling all the propellants leave the jar before your material even touches it as well big reason why ive been against tube blasting is the propellants possibly leaving poisons behind in the product.
  6. z9

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    Isn't propane used as a propellant in the most commonly used butane brands. Colibri and vector come to mind. Isn't propane a decent solvent in its own right?

    I'm starting to see less of a reason to use this method now... If I wanted to, I could soak the flower in the extraction tube and achieve the same results. No?
  7. Buildozer

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    iv'e been doing this jar method lately and getting good results... also the winterization seems really worth it... i tried it yesterday, and its still freezing, but i'm very impressed so far.. i have been freezing the jar and butane for 30 mins before extraction... also the nugs for ten mins or so, just because.. i'm able to soak it for a pretty good while if i want... i like this method better than blasting it.. but i'm not sure its better or not.. i find it easy though..

    i want to try a method DOUG mentioned somewhere, about blasting into a dish of warm everclear.. i guess it keeps the bho from solidifying so you can purge out the butane better since its not trapped in oil and since alcohol has a higher evap temp.. and then once the butane stops bubbling out, you can winterize after... if i remember right? something like that

    kinda similar.. here's a cool video i watched the other day
  8. z9

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    ^^^^ So are you saying pour a small amount of grain alcohol in the dish before you start blasting into the extraction tube?
  9. Buildozer

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    that's what i understood from DOUG's post.. i believe he has tried it... i'm going off a hazy memory, but it makes sense to me..

    edit: i'm pretty sure i saw it in a winterization thread
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  10. Trever

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    No because the extraction tube uses pressure/solvent to remove the goodies correct?? I dont see anyway of blasting into a tube and pressurizing it. Using the 2 jar methon you use one to blast into while your herb is in another jar pre dried/frozen then conjoin the two. If done at extreme cold "dry ice" helps with this ive found only 3 filters are needed and its complete shatter no wax 100% see through. The key sense its much more gentler because your not using pressure just the butane as a solvent you let it sit. Ive compared yields and i can achieve around 2-5% more with less wax this way. Plus you can get some extremely large jars making larger runs a breeze ;)
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  11. Colt Bolt

    Colt Bolt New Member

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    First try with the mason jar soak method, vacuum purged over 110F for 12hrs. It was a cold extraction, being around 25F out side at the time the butane barely boiled off at all, also having frozen bud and butane it took longer to extract the oils. Had two smaller mason jars totalling 20.6 grams LostCoastOG soaking for 40minutes yielded 3.1 grams after purging was complete. second extract was wimpy, maybe a gram....which now that i think of it is damn near 20%...that's what i was shooting for. This is some SUPER HEADY shit!
    It's starting to warm up, above freezing at night so i will have to be cautious with timing my extractions
  12. Buildozer

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    this is kinda weird to explain so ill try my best.. the other day a friend used a big glass blast tube for at least an oz of girl scout cookies trim.. instead of blasting from the cone and draining from the big end he filtered the coned tip and blasted into a cold jar and dumped the liquid trough the extractor tube upside down.. and capped for pressure.. it was interesting because the liquid goes through the tube in one section and saturates everything nice... and at the bottom it ended up clogging w/ some liquid butane so we had to filter the big opening and flip it and dump it that way.. it made good oil.. maybe he'll join and post a vid of it and you guys can see what you think about it... nothing too special but i feel its better.. i like that way best so far.. its hard to explain but watching it looked like it worked better IMO.. like the best of both worlds.. blasting and soak.. apparently it was my idea when i was drunk.. but i have no memory of it.. haa.. as far as i know he came up w/ it ha. i think this way takes less butane than a wash would and i think it works better than a blast does.. it only took 2 cans to get over 2g's from trim. considering how much space the trim took up im impressed w/ that yield from 2 cans based on past runs.. sorry if this is hard to follow.. there may be no benifit to it but i feel there is.. pretty subjective though i guess..
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    Interesting, I like the ingenuity. I can't help but wonder though how anything but gravity is moving the liquid through the tube. By releasing butane to atmosphere and dumping it in the butane is effectively at atmospheric pressure. Unless you are isolating the chamber AND either changing the temperature or pressure through external methods the chamber will remain at atmospheric pressure. For example a mason jar sealed in a vacuum, if you open the jar and the seal pops, then close it again the pressure in the jar is the same as the atmosphere you equalized it too moments ago. Maybe you could use a low pressure air pump (bike pump maybe?) to facilitate movement of the solvent through the tube.
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  14. Buildozer

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    ya i don't know that there is anything special about it really.. it is just gravity but the top was capped for as much of the time as possible, to keep pressure.. but when i was watching it i liked what i saw better.. its hard to explain because it's not backed w/ science.. but w/ that same amount of butane w/ the jar method we couldn't fit all the herb into the jar w/ it.. and blasting it seems like there would be more air pockets(leftbeinds?), rather than butane just flooding down through the tube at once?? not sure i don't blast it a lot. also since it ended up clogging we had to flip it and dump the left over butane puddle through it agian.. it worked out cool.. not sure really if its any better, but it was interesting when i saw it and apparently i came up w/ it ha.. i think i was probably saying something else and it got understood as that? hah because it was all new to me.

    i like that bike pump idea.. thanks for the input
  15. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    I do only cold ethanol quick wash 30 sec on frozen bud and i get see trough ambers :).. Second wash gives a more waxy but still see trough compound..Here pure ethanol 95% is 5 $ for a 0.8 L bottle :) . 100ml goes for less than a 1 $ . So i don't even mess with the expensive "purified" "near zero contaminants" butane.. although this mason jar method seems to be good for larger amounts.. still don't worth the $ where i live :). So if ethanol is expensive.. than just do 1 was quick wash.. and add olive oil or butter to the leftovers after the prior extraction.. It makes damn good extraction for edibles.. ;) (proceed like you would with normal fatt extraction, what i do is heat the substance for 10 minutes while avoiding boiling, than adding some water and boil it for another 10, than strain and put the remaining liquid in the freezer till fat saturates from water.. then get rid of the water and u get something to get stoned ;).
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  16. thebreadsticks

    thebreadsticks New Member

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    This is the method I use, and in my mind it makes the most sense. The bud has more contact with the butane, and it purges faster than blowing 5000 bubbles onto the pan. Get yourself a 2 dollar can of pasta sauce and you have a perfect BHO rig.
  17. SSVUN~YAH

    SSVUN~YAH Hey hey hey bhombs away!

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    Why isn't it called everclear shatter?!
  18. z9

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    Because butane is still being used as the solvent, the everclear is only used for purging and winterization. You can make shatter with everclear as your solvent... I'd call that everclear shatter; although quick wash alcohol is probably more accurate.
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  19. SSVUN~YAH

    SSVUN~YAH Hey hey hey bhombs away!

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    Word! I was just meaning everclear being used and not absolute.;) I am wanting to do a quick wash alcohol run. Do you know of, or have a good recipe by chance? I have everclear and the filters, screens, dishes, etc. Just need a good recipe to go off of, ya know?
  20. Buildozer

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    i like the way bong rip does it.
  21. Bouldorado

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    So regarding the jar method. You really need insulate or cool the jar and let it soak longer. The way it was done in the video will definitely return a lower yield (compared to running that same amount through a tube). Tubes allow the pressure of the butane to help extract more actives; not so with the jar, hence the need for a longer soak. I suggest reading this guide, written by one of the first people to publicize the jar method, who actually knows what he's talking about, since he's an organic chemist by training.
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  22. SSVUN~YAH

    SSVUN~YAH Hey hey hey bhombs away!

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    I agree Buildozer! I saw that post and going that route wish he had exact amounts of liquid and herbs stated. Thanks Bouldorado and Buildozer!
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  23. dannkk

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    When you first extract with butane you have what is called a concrete oil. After you winterize and remove the waxes, you have an absolute oil. Do not use Absolute Vodka...:tup:
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  24. Trever

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    Wow 30 minute soak times crazy. I compared a few runs same source material first 4 runs i did at 45 second soaks and the other 4 runs "all first runs" at 5 minutes % increased maybe 2-3.5% so i might have to rethink my soak times......
  25. z9

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    People have reported doing multiple hour butane soaks using a thermos instead of a jar. I've yet to try this method with fresh material. Works great to extract the remainder from once ran bud in an extraction tube.
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