Magical Butter

Discussion in 'Cooking with Cannabis' started by mmenzie, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. stressed

    stressed Well-Known Member

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    i'd recommend the oven. i've read about decarbing in the MB and will continue to decarb in the oven.

    i love the machine. enjoy! :)
     
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  2. momofthegoons

    momofthegoons vapor accessory addict

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    Because there is a warm up and cool down during the 'decarb cycle' on the machine, the machine does not fully decarb the herb. Most users prefer the oven method.

    There are varying opinions on the MBU thread as to how long you need to run the oil. Running for two days of 8 hours seems a bit excessive to me and I've never done it. I do let the oil rest over night, however, so that filtering is much easier.

    Don't throw your sludge out! You can make capsules or a variety of other products from it.
     
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  3. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    @MrNaturalAZ has the method of decarbing in the machine for 1 hour at 220 in the coconut oil. I personally have been using that method with success.

    I also wait for the coconut oil to settle, so the sludge goes go the bottom and I don't strain. I have my coconut oil run through a 4 hour process time. So it's a total of 5 hours including the decarbing time.

    I notice on the MB website they suggest decarbing in the oven still.
     
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  4. rickross

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    I ended up reading through the entire thread and I found the thread where someone on Grasscity had performed testing and found the sweet spot to be 240f @ 40 minutes for max potency, so I placed it in a turkey bag and did just that.

    I then let it cool outside the oven, and placed it in the mb2e for 4 hours @ 160, which seems to be what a lot of people recommend.

    There seems to be two schools, and I find the problem is that people don't make the differentiation.

    1. Those that want to keep the flavour as the finished cooked product is important to them, those are the ones that don't decarb in the oven and run it through the mb2e @ 160 like a million times over 3 days with resting periods.

    2. Those of us that just want to get high as Fuck with an edible and could care less about the delicate balance in the flavor and it seems that is where the 40 minutes @ 240 in t oven and 4 hours @ 160 mb2e come in to play.

    I could be wrong, I'm no expert, but through discussion forums, and a ton of reading what the herb gurus seem to say, this is what I was able to conclude.

    In terms of the sludge, I simplify, no straining and I just put everything in the cookie dough, why chance it. The herb grinds so fine, I can't event detect it.

    This should be nice sticky for newbs (like me) somewhere.
     
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  5. stressed

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    that's an interesting conclusion. i'll have to do some reading from those who want good tasting food's perspective. i am definitely in the i just want to get high and the taste be damned camp.

    i only eat oil in capsules. i know the exact dose each time. putting it in food makes no sense for me. i've eaten plenty of baked goods etc with cannabis. as long as i have capsules full of oil, i'll never go back to eating food with some cannabis in it.
     
  6. rickross

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    You make a lot of sense, I don't know why I haven't considered capsules, I love the idea of them being exact.

    I can imagine it's a lot of work to fill them all in, I wouldn't know where to start. Is there a kit I need to buy, is this available at a Rite-Aid type Pharmacy? Is there a good tutorial I can follow?

    When I make a batch of cookies, I can do approximately 40 per half cup of oil, so what would that translate in capsules?
     
  7. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    There are kits a person can buy to fill capsules with oil. Try looking online - check Amazon. You need to make sure you use the right capsules that won't degrade with the coconut oil.
     
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  8. ReggieB

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    Does cooking time also count towards decarbing?
     
  9. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    You decarb in the MB with the coconut oil (or butter) at 220 degrees for one hour then start your extraction of cannabis goodies into the oil or your butter. I like to process mine for 4 hours. Add your lecithin when you start to process your product. For me it's a total if 5 hours. You may go less time. It's up to you how long.
     
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  10. ReggieB

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    @CarolKing I understand the process, I am asking if the cooking period also decarbs the goodies further?
     
  11. psychonaut

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    It can decarb further, but with most baked goods, the temperatures inside never reach that high for extended periods of time. I think a brownie is finished when the internal temperature reaches about 190F. You can then wonder what about the outside of the brownie, I think where the temperatures may get too high you'll see some THC>CBN conversion. This might explain why the corner brownies in the pan seemed to make me more sleepy feeling. This is all anecdotal.
     
  12. Tehmongoose

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    The easiest place to get 00 gel capsules is a nutrition store. I got 750 for 9-10 at lindberg nutrition..
     
  13. MrNaturalAZ

    MrNaturalAZ Tree hugging dirt worshipper

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    Unintentional Experiment

    Ran a batch last night, using my usual recipe and method (Coconut oil to "min" line, 1oz of plant matter, one hour at 220, add 2tbsp lecithin, two hours at 160) but started later than I probably should have. I decided to go to bed while it was still running, fully intending to get up when it was finished to at least decant most of the oil off the top.

    Well, it finished, and I heard it beep, but at that point I usually wait about a half hour for the oil to cool a bit and the plant matter to settle to the bottom for easy decanting. When I next woke up it was several hours later and I figured by then the oil had at least started to solidify again, so I figured it shouldn't hurt anything to sit there overnight and I went back to sleep.

    This morning I decided the best course of action would be to run another one hour cycle (at 160) to re-melt the coconut oil and stir things up again (in case the long standing without stirring caused uneven extraction/distribution). When that's done (it's running as I type this) I'll do my usual 30-minute wait and then decant. It will be interesting to learn if the extended steeping affects the potency.

    OH! Beeping! I'll report back with results later.
     
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  14. trichome_renaissance

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    I've pretty much played out the same exact scenario before and found the results to be comparable. YMMV
     
  15. MrNaturalAZ

    MrNaturalAZ Tree hugging dirt worshipper

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    OK... the result of my "unintentional experiment" is that neither the overnight "rest" nor the additional hour at 160 had any significant effect on potency. The same (measured) dosage seems to give me more-or-less similar effect as it usually does, tho I have to say it doesn't feel exactly the same. Nor would I expect it to, since it was a different (and new-to-me) strain than I've used before. That and, of course, there's always at least a little variability in edible experience, depending on what you've recently eaten or will eat.

    Anyway, subject to change as I get a bit more experience with this batch, I'd say probably no difference in potency of the final product. Which suggests that my hour in-machine decarb plus two-hour infusion is already giving me all I can get out of what I'm putting into it.
     
  16. IAmKrazy2

    IAmKrazy2 Darth Vapor

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    Planning on making my first ever batch of Rick Simpson or MBO using my magical butter. 151 proof is the strongest grain alcohol availble in Michigan.

    To my understanding you decarb herb 250 degrees 60mins (i am using quality trim not sure how much to use) add grain alcohol to machine and i was planning on running the machine 8hrs instead of 4 because why not? Strain to saucepan for slow boil.

    Anything i am missing? Any tips i should know? Want something very potent to drip under in mouth for sleep or pain.

    Thanks!
     
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  17. momofthegoons

    momofthegoons vapor accessory addict

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    I'm calling in the person I always ask tincture questions from... @killick . It's time his methodology comes to this thread. ;) :science:

    Personally, I like to use 150 proof Everclear rather than 151. There's less sugar and it seems to extract a little 'cleaner.' It's available, of all places, at Walmart.

    Krazy, are you a member of the Magical Butter Users United group on Facebook? It's a closed group but they take in pretty much everyone. Tons of info there on different methodologies for tincture, etc. And Magical Butter is involved with the thread.
     
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  18. killick

    killick But I like it!

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    Thanks for the vote of confidence mom! I mostly get lucky, but you can help luck work for you :)

    I decarb less. I wrap herb in foil, set the oven for 260, and when it preheats turn it to 240 and decarb for 30 min or so. I treat every hour in the MB as 1/4 decarb (a role of thumb I started using last year to prevent over de

    To run alcohol in the MB you don't need a long run. The longer you run the more alcohol will evap. I decarb, toss everything in, and run for an hour at lowest heat. Filter through a coffee filter.

    Now comes evap stage. Pour your alcohol into a pan. Put that pan into a larger pan full of kettle hot water. The alcohol will evap fairly quickly - stop when you are at the consistency you like. My Engineer math says 100 grams into 4 cups means you have 25 grams equiv per cup. You can get that to 100 grams in a cup if you'd like, but just know how strong it can be. If you overdo it and it gets too thick and sticky for you, you can add a spoon or two of coconut oil and it will be much easier to handle.

    That's the quick version while I am flat on back and about to clean up the 355 gram run I did the other day. Feel free to fire any Qs you might have and I'll be happy to try help :)

    Edit - Save your herb - the next step is to soak your leftover herb in yet more alcohol, for a week or so with the occasional agitation. You will get more plant waxes and such on the second run, but they are harmless for ingesting, but don't vape them (thats a guess. Maybe it's great? You can tell us if you'd like?). Use tequila or rum, filter, and mix like you usually would.

    My lab has gotten a bit more elaborate. I use the MB for washing, then use an industrial restaurant grease filter cone, filter into the Green Oil Machine, and reclaim most of the Everclear. Depending on what your end goal is (feco, dabs, tinc) will tell you how to prep, wash and reclaim.
    A buddy of mine (Navy, from way back, haven't seen him in years, but we stay connected on FB) once did a wash, saved his herb on a baking tray to dry out, and once it was dry... he vaped some before doing another wash. According to him it was quite intense, and he's done it since. I haven't tried... Anyone else?

    Edit - made lots of edits above. 1/2 was done on phone, part on ipad, and part on PC. If it doesn't make sense go vape something and come back and reread it. Or post a question for clarification ;)
     
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  19. IAmKrazy2

    IAmKrazy2 Darth Vapor

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    Thank you for the detailed response. First question If i ran the MB longer, and more alcohol evaperated wouldn't that be a good thing? It will ensure strength and just start the evaporation process for me. I was planing on 8hrs. Talk me out of it if there is a reason i shouldn't. I was even considering just running it 16hrs and skipping the non stick pan but i am worried this wouldn't make is strong enough.

    I have also heard evaporating in a rice cooker. I was planning on using an electric skillet on low with non stick pan but if you think the water method is better for any reason please let me know.

    @momofthegoons. I didn't get 151 Rum, i hate rum! Gin and whiskey please. Just 151 Grain Alcohol for this experiment. It was much more expensive then i remember. Almost 20 dollars for a liter. Maybe i should have gone to Walmart.

    Is saving the product really worth it considering price of the grain alcohol? I have been too lazy to save ABV for years and i vape a ton! Should provably start again for use in MB.

    Edit. I was going to decarb in covered casserole dishes in the oven. Should i use tinfoil instead?

    Thanks! Planning on doing it tonight or tomorrow night.
     
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  20. killick

    killick But I like it!

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    You really don't want it to evaporate in the MB. You'll take the lid off and find the remaining herb baked onto the sides of the machine. If you want to do something longer give it an hour in the MB, pour in another jar, and let it sit for a week. Then give it another hour in the machine, filter til clear.

    And *then* you can evap to your hearts content ;)

    Edit - for evaping - don't get too elaborate. Floating one dish in a larger pan of hot water is plenty aggressive. The more area exposed to air the faster it will evap. Also it creates a sort-of 'air pocket', so adding a little fan drawing away from the herb will also evap. Doing both at the same time is overkill. Just watch before it evaps into superglue/activated FECO, unless thats your goal.

    Edit - just realized you are using 151. That shouldn't evap from the mb as quickly. But still, the alcohol is still doing the job. Your evap will take longer as you are getting rid of water. The alcohol will leave quickly... When you get to the stage where it's oil and water your oil will be gummy and sticky. I'm assuming you will be eating/drinking this? You will likely get the most mileage out of it by not fully evaping everything off. Try evap the liquid by 20% or so, and see how that works. You can always reduce more, but why use more alcohol reconstituting? You can also use coconut oil to reconstitute if you go too far... Good luck, and take notes to share with the rest of the class :)
     
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  21. crazferret

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    My MB2e arrived last week. I spent time reading this thread and others to get a feel for how to break in the machine. I've settled on @MrNaturalAZ approach and make some infused coconut oil. About to head home and give it a go. Any additional suggestions are welcome.

    Also, I've no experience with infused coconut oil. What are your suggestions for the best ways to use it? More of an on the fly thing rather than subbing it for butter in recipes.

    How long does it usually take to feel the effects? Obviously, there are numerous factors involved. Looking for more of a ball park to determine how strong my oil may/may not be.

    Thanks all!

    **Update** Started the first hour at 220 then realized I didn't get the coconut oil in liquid form first. It was room temperature when I added it to the MB2e. Hoping that doesn't come back to bite me.
     
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  22. IAmKrazy2

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    It is easy to put some coconut oil in tea. I like to pour all my oil into icecube trays first too. Little icecubes of oil.
     
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  23. IAmKrazy2

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    Decarbed around 40 minutes at 250 degrees in covered casserole dishes. Didn't measure the material but i filled it about as much as you can and still get the lid on afterwards. Quality trim and small buds. Probably at least 4 ounces.

    Decided to hit the 4 hour buttton. I could end it early if i want right? Set to 160 degrees.

    Think i will pour the product into a glass Pyrex container and put boiling water from tea kettle around it per suggestion in another pan. Any reason i shouldn't use the Pyrex?

    Has anyone tried the finished product on wounds or skin sores? Just wondering.

    Again, looking for something that is very high potency that could be put in a dropper bottle and used to manage pain and sleep mostly.

    Does the finished product provide a different experience than coconut oil edible extraction? Or is it the same "high". Thanks
     
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  24. crazferret

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    Finished. Everything looked good. I waited about 45 minutes after the cycle was complete so everything could cool down. Filtered through the bag into a Pyrex, scraped the pulp out and squeezed it through the filter as well. The yield was about 16oz of infused oil.

    I picked up a box of four, 4oz, freezer safe Ball storage jars. Looks like their primary use is for storing homemade baby food. Seemed like a good idea to split the oil in case I need to share or portion. Filled each one almost to the top and made sure the lid was tight. Jars are in a dark spot in my closet. Do these really need to be refrigerated? I've heard different reports.

    Pulp was added to hot water in a shaker cup. Twist on the top and shake like a madman. I have it in my refrigerator separating now to (hopefully) produce a bit more oil. Any other suggestions here? I know some use the pulp/sludge/leftover. What are you using it for?

    After pouring off my oil into the jars, I had just a bit left. I'd say about 3/4 Tbsp that contained just a bit or residue. Well, somebody has to be the Guinea pig. I swallow it like a kid taking cough medicine. Flavor isn't bad. It's my first time doing this, so I want to have an idea of what timeline to expect.

    Full disclosure - I use my vaporizer multiple times a day, every day. Tolerance is pretty high. Also, the ounce I used to infuse my oil was a combination of shake and leftover from approximately eight different types of herb. I'm under the impression most (if not all) is indica, but there may be some sativa or hybrids mixed in. I would have liked to use one type or herb for testing purposes, but why the heck would I turn down a 'highlight reel' bag?

    15 mins later - I'm walking around, cleaning up and get a quick mental buzz. Almost like a one and done mental haze. Nothing super crazy, just the oil letting me know that it has some kick.

    1 hour later - I feel it. Very good buzz. I am certainly functional, but quite mellow. The best part is pain relief. Yesterday, I was diagnosed with piriformis syndrome, where a muscle in my lower back/buttocks is irritated and, in turn, irritates my sciatic nerve. It has been quite painful and I was only prescribed predisone, nothing for pain. While gathering supplies this morning, there were about a dozen times where I had to stop walking and try to stretch the muscle because it hurt so badly. Not to mention my constant limp. Right now, I feel nothing. Pain is currently on the back burner and it has to be the oil working it's magic.

    Three hours later - I am medicated, but certainly not baked. This certainly gives me an idea regarding potency. Heading to the Mighty for a puff, then reading up on recipes and great uses for the sludge.

    Looking forward to continuing with the experiment. How long do effects typically last for you all? I've had brownies and cookies in the past, but coconut oil seems like a different beast.
     
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  25. IAmKrazy2

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    I am still slow evaperating on the stove top and currently have reduced over half the volume in a half hour. Pyrex dish floating in pan of water on stove. It is thickening up slightly but still pretty thin.

    Edit. Stove fan is on too.

    Edit again. Reduced approx 80% by volume.
     
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