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Loto Labs Lux (formerly Evoke)

Discussion in 'Upcoming and Unreleased Portable Vaporizers' started by SameOldTim, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. Teenthontik

    Teenthontik Babylon Is Burning

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    What a load of crapitalist doublespeak yuppie bollox....................highly entertaining thread never the less!
    I would be so pissed if I recieved this and it only did concentrates..............its like forcing you to drink vodka when you only want to drink beer!!
    A roll of Baco-foil and a lighter only costs £2. The most efficient way of doing concentrates is to chase it imho.

    Peace love and SHITTING

    Over and out TOT
     
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  2. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    These guys are the original, fuck up, Keystone cops. What complete and utter BS.

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  3. Razor

    Razor Well-Known Member

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    Sonofabitch!
     
  4. Krazy

    Krazy Well-Known Member

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  5. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    ok, more communication from Loto Labs today.

    First, my unit has shipped and should be here Monday. I'm going to take my time testing this one as there are so many variables that have been in play and I wish to be fair to everyone concerned.

    Second, there has been a clarification from support on the temp sensor issue:

    Soooooo . . . there is definitely some confusion with the wording in the two different e-mails I have received. Also, I use Android products not Apple so I am a little miffed about that aspect.

    My only ace in the hole is that when the campaign started they offered a loose leaf version and a SEPARATE oil/wax version, so I ordered one of each. This means I will be receiving a second unit that will not have this firmware issue and I will be able to compare.

    Yes, I know, they got me twice. The second unit was $99 since the early bird units were gone. I think my first unit is #15 and the second one is around #40.

    I will keep you guys updated as news comes in . . . if you believe in a god, pray for me . . . :peace:
     
  6. Krazy

    Krazy Well-Known Member

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    Thanks t-dub.
     
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  7. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Hi @t-dub how did you know about your order n°, please?
    I'm in the same case, I ordered 1 early bird(79$) and another at 99$ since they wasn't supposed to do both concentrates and dry herbs.... this is seems crazy now but, in 2014, it wasn't. The Cera was avalaible in 2 versions also... and it was considered like a "must"!
     
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  8. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Well they told me in an e-mail that my first unit is in the first 15 units sold. If you go on indiegogo under campaigns and view details you can see your order ID. Mine says 40 and was placed 6/12/14 so I assumed I was near the last of the first 15 units. My second order has an ID of 1463, placed 8/5/14, sooooooooo, its hard to extrapolate exactly which # that will be, I may not be getting it for a while.

    Mail is a day late . . . I've noticed that USPS has been off a day since the Super Bowl, everything I am getting is a day late now.
     
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  9. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    I thought I would be in the first 15 :hmm:

    I ordered a "Early Bird Evoke (Loose Leaf)" on June 11, 2014 for $79 USD.

    If they're going by order date, I should've been contacted along with the first 15. But they haven't communicated anything to me this year yet. I'm guessing that it's the "loose leaf" part that made them decide to skip me over. They could have at least reached out and told me :disgust:.
     
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  10. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    My first order was a loose leaf version also. What is your order ID# on indiegogo?

    Interestingly enough Neeraj just called me on the phone. We had a nice chat, he seems like a cool guy. He is sending me a prepaid FedEx label so I can send my unit back to have the firmware updated. Just to clarify, you do NOT need an iPhone to do this, you need a Macintosh computer running MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite) or higher that has Blue Tooth capability.
     
  11. Jill NYC

    Jill NYC Portable Collector

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    Wow @grokit . I assumed they would have notified all of the “loose leaf” backers already, at the very least the early bird ones, that they weren’t producing them. That’s pretty terrible professionalism. I feel for you!
     
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  12. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    I wouldn't have known that I was indeed in the first 15 if @t-dub hadn't posted. Because his reported order date was June 12, and mine was on June 11. I assume we're going by indiegogo "contribution" date.

    My indiegogo order ID is 37.

    :myday:
     
  13. Razor

    Razor Well-Known Member

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    If you ordered off indiegogo, you can find out your number by asking him there or emailing him. I did this a while back and found out I was number 450.
     
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  14. Krazy

    Krazy Well-Known Member

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    I'm 1409 so no earlybird here.

    At this point I'm viewing it as a buy in to watch the worlds most horrific never ending train wreck. Anyone remember Jason Stathams character in the bad comedy Spy?
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3079380/?ref_=tt_ch


    Rick Ford : Nothing kills me. I'm immune to 179 different types of poison. I know because I ingested them all at once when I was deep undercover in an underground poison-ingesting crime ring.


    Rick Ford : You really think you're ready for the field? I once used defibrillators on myself. I put shards of glass in my fuckin' eye. I've jumped from a high-rise building using only a raincoat as a parachute and broke both legs upon landing; I still had to pretend I was in a fucking Cirque du Soleil show! I've swallowed enough microchips and shit them back out again to make a computer. This arm has been ripped off completely and re-attached with *this* fuckin' arm.

    Susan Cooper : I don't know that that's possible... I mean medically...

    Rick Ford : During the threat of an assassination attempt, I appeared convincingly in front of congress as Barack Obama.

    Susan Cooper : In black-face? That's not appropriate.

    Rick Ford : I watched the woman I love get tossed from a plane and hit by another plane mid-air. I drove a car off a freeway on top of a train while it was on fire. Not the car, *I* was on fire.
     
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  15. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    ok . . . unit received. First pics and observations while charging the battery.

    First look with supplied charger.

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    Second pic is the unit with the supplied capsules and susceptors. Looks like the susceptor needs another piece to hold it properly in place within the capsule.

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    A closer look at the capsule and susceptor setup. The materials are definitely magnetic, which they need to be, but I am interested in why the susceptor has this "woven" texture. I can only assume it is to enhance surface area and vaping performance from the energy coming in and going out.

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    Here is the induction coil looking a little off centered after shipping. It quickly righted itself after playing with the vape for a few minutes.

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    This is an inside shot of the case and innards. As you can see, this unit is mainly made of metal. If its cast aluminum or a zinc alloy, I can not tell at this point, but because of the induction coil it cannot be magnetic. HOWEVER this unit is BEEFY in weight. The battery cover itself weighs in at about 74 grams and the whole unit comes in at a heavy 308 grams with battery. The wood panels seem real as they smell like wood but its hard to confirm. If they are real wood they are very small and thin which goes against one of the reasons I supported this project in the first place, but, this thing will be robust against incidental damage for sure. If dropped, the mouthpiece and battery cover may disconnect because they are attached by magnets.

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    Here is a detailed shot of the basic guts, not a lot to see here since I won't be disassembling THIS unit.

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    So that's it so far, the battery is charging and I am going to hit this bitch and then send it back to Neeraj to get the firmware updated. I will give a first hit impression maybe later . . . :peace:
     
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  16. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Thanks for the pics @t-dub ! Why do you need to send it back for upgrade? Do you know if we'll have to send our units back also (I hope not since I'm in Europe)?

    Just checked my orders n° on IG and they are both early bird in fact, first one is n°44 and second is n°274... so I can expect to get one (or two if shipped together) soon.

    Don't understand why it's so difficult to get it to work with flowers, the combo Pipes induction heater+vapcap works so well! Maybe the Lux will be usable as an induction heater for the Vapcap....
     
  17. Razor

    Razor Well-Known Member

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    Probably would've worked better with flower if they made the glass body metal instead. Then they could have heated up the metal chamber instead of the metal inside.
     
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  18. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Because the first 15 sent out have a feature that shuts the vape down when the inside reaches 50 C. The temp sensor is on the circuit board. This has been fixed so it will not be an issue moving forward. Loto Labs did not intend for this feature to be on the units. If I had access to a Mac computer running the proper version of MacOs I could do it myself, but alas I do not.

    Notes to self:

    I was correct in assuming the "woven" texture of the susceptor was for increased efficiency in heat transfer BUT it also is shaped like this so it can be a wick. Please note that the flared end of the tube the susceptor goes in MUST be on the BOTTOM of the glass capsule, see pic below. This is also for wicking purposes. The idea is you smear your concentrate on the susceptor or if you can handle it with your hands put it kabob style on there then load the capsule and let it rip. Of course with heat your concentrate will migrate to the bottom of the glass capsule and that is where the flared end of the tube comes in as it helps the wicking process. The capsule has the ability to hold a lot of medicine.

    I was correct about the body composition it was confirmed to me that it is a zinc alloy.

    You must power the unit for a bit before hitting so things have time to come up to temperature.

    After my experiments I checked the charge level on the battery and it was lower than I expected. I believe the power consumption on this device is up there so extra batteries may be advised.
    The capsule actually touches the coil physically so I'm not sure if a metal capsule is a good idea.

    This is the proper configuration of the susceptor and tube in the glass capsule:

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  19. Razor

    Razor Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I meant a metal capsule instead of the whole metal rod inside all together. The design of the vape would probably need to be changed for it anyways. I'm not sure what they were testing all these years to all of a sudden decide herb wasnt working after they were already supposed to be ready to ship.
     
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  20. SameOldTim

    SameOldTim Previously Known as 'ThermoCoreTim' Manufacturer

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    It's YUGE!

    Couple questions, is that the battery they included?

    Any way to clean the inside when it inevitably leaks?

    Is the rivit is supposed to be in the capsule?

    Is the metal body consistent thickness? The picture looking into the coil looks like the body has a lot of variance.

    Can you tell if there's any RF leak? Like does it make interference sounds on a radio or cellphone?

    Last, can you tell if the induction coil is cooled in any way, like a fan or air pump pushing air through the coil?

    Cheers!
     
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  21. nosmoking

    nosmoking Fogmonger

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    It looks like a neatly packaged skelator without the glass capsule. I am not sure what they are thinking or what they have tested in regards to the capsules but they are going to allow concentrate into the induction coils and all over that white material! What is the white material by the way? Is the induction coil surrounded by plastic or is it ceramic at least?
     
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  22. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Yes.
    Not sure it will smear the inside, but if it does, yes, very cleanable.
    I have no idea what you are asking, please reapply.

    Never measured it but it looks like a zinc alloy casting which would mean the metal would be evenly distributed.

    I'm assuming its PTFE or Delrin. I have no way of knowing at this point.
     
  23. Krazy

    Krazy Well-Known Member

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    Concentrate only: %$#^ it!!!!
    Thin wood veneer: %$#^ it!!!!
    Hefty construction: I like that actually. A lot.
    Firmware issues: Ain't no big thang to me.
     
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  24. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    It did not interfere with my cell phone at all. I did not have an AM radio on at the time however.
    There is no such cooling solution in place.
     
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  25. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Hi @t-dub no vape use report? did you tested it?

    Will get one (or maybe both since I'm in EU they might decide to send me both units together) next week or more cause shipping delays but I'm very low in concentrates for now ... I have to work on rosin or a bho run but I don't get a lot of time, ahhh! if they were some dispensaries around like for you US guys!

    I'll try to vape flowers only and keep my last dabs for Lux testing but it might be difficult since the QQ taste so good!
     
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