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Linking MMJ to Rx opiates and illicit drug use?

Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by Caligula, May 13, 2014.

  1. Caligula

    Caligula *results not typical.

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    So a local MMJ dispensary near me started getting a new(ish) "edible" called Actabliss. The good news, I read, is that this stuff is super strong in the CBD department. In fact it has a 2:1 CBD/THC ratio, which is quite good. Also good is that it comes in a concentrated syrup, which mixes well with basically anything you want to mix it in.



    Sounds awesome, right?




    Sure.




    Now here's the thing. I keep reading the description of this product on the MMJ club's IG page, and I see its only available in grape flavor? The fuck is that about? I hate grape... but then again if Im mixing it into something, I can probably mask the flavor and I'm not drinking it for the flavor to begin with anyway.





    ...and that's when I get to the picture of the product (not the actual IG post I saw):







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    Now check this out:

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    Now, the first picture you see up top is of the stuff this MMJ dispensary is selling, ACTABLISS.

    The second (bottom) picture is of a brand name controlled narcotic cough syrup (grape flavored, go figure) called ACTAVIS.

    Now, it gets worse...

    This revelation brought up a recent memory of something my wife said. Not to go too far into detail, but she is in the healthcare side of the pharmacy industry. In any case, she had been telling me (late last year) about how she had seen a demand for this Codeine cough syrup spike and inquired about it. She was told that this is a "thing" now in clubs called "lean" or "leanin". Basically, they mix this Rx syrup ("sizzurp" or WTF ever) with sprite or what not and call it lean, leen, leanin, etc... google it, Im sure theres a crap ton of info. Anyway, as you may guess, it has a LITTLE bit of traction in the rap scene. Long story short, a lot of pharmacies only carry the generic version now, which doesnt taste the same and demand dropped.

    Aaaaaaaand that now brings me to this atrocity, taken from the ActaBLISS Instagram account:

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    I fucking lost it when I saw that. You can see the actual IG post here (Note the last comment. Dead IG post at that point, but still. ):

    http://iconosquare.com/p/715741140652565769_1204188752#/detail/715741140652565769_1204188752

    Being in my 30s and mostly white, I had to google who this doucher "RiFF" was:



    I played about 10 seconds of that and felt like burning my monitor and buying a new one.

    In any case, it comes full circle with that. BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

    A new product (competition for Actabliss) named... sigh... GREEN LEAN just came out here as well. Same shit, gape flavored syrup but instead of copying labeling from a big pharma narcotic, they just put the fucking slang term for mixing that shit into soda IN THE NAME ITSELF.

    How long before the media and anti-MMJ people catch wind of this? When they do, thats not going to be good for ANYONE. How long have we been trying to dodge the stigma of MJ being a "gateway drug"? Fucking hell, man.

    But I'm sure these companies don't care because they will have milked that cow dry by then.

    And when this concern was brought up on the IG accounts of said companies? People are banned, called trolls and/or are completely lied to. In fact the Actabliss rep on IG told one poster that they in "no way" insinuate their product is related to a big pharma drug or illegal drug use. When confronted with the post of that RiFF asshat ON THEIR OWN IG FEED from a few weeks earlier, the rep states that its "just the artists unique way of repping the product for their label colab and shouldn't be taken seriously". Further questions were asked but went unanswered and the person asking was subsequently blocked (wasn't me).

    The Actabliss IG account can be accessed here even if you dont have an account with IG:

    http://iconosquare.com/actabliss

    Anyway, yea... so what do you think about that?
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  2. FLskwat

    FLskwat VAPOLITICS!

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    I just had an opiate lecture side effect vomiting session...beurk!

    Nice investigation @Caligula!
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  3. Caligula

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    Thank you sir. This is highly irresponsible of these companies and we all should be upset about this seeing as it has the potential to really throw a wrench into things for the MJ community.
  4. DieHard

    DieHard Vertical transportation specialist.

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    That video was so bad I almost couldn't hit "LIKE". ;)
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  5. thesoloman

    thesoloman Well-Known Member

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    the first picture wasn't showing[​IMG]
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  6. equatorgringo

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    This is pretty sad.
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  7. Caligula

    Caligula *results not typical.

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    Thank you @thesoloman

    Still shows for me but maybe its just in my cache.


    Edit: Wait, your in Temecula? Lol you can try this stuff yourself, the MMJ place delivers there.
  8. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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  9. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    You can buy robitussin with codeine over the counter in canada.
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  10. Buildozer

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    I honestly can care less about that syzurp style marketing... Do you think this can really hurt anything?? Things around here are still gonna move forward IMO.. Besides, BHO(and etc.) is Literally the DOPE form of weed, and people were even getting fucking blown up trying to make it.. If that didn't stop the movement, then how can this IMO.. Let em' po' up that drank.. big deal. :peace:
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  11. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    U can buy Acefine here lol.. cofeine, codeine,paracetamol... just dissolve in warm water, then put the the cup in cold water.. codeine floats on top.. ::puke::
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    after looking into it more, it appears to me to just be a glycerine or similar extract, with some "interesting" marketing to cause a stir
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  13. equatorgringo

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    It's fucking childish and insulting is what it is, especially the way that promethazine is advertised via the rap world. Why would you want that crap replicated and hyped up even more in a movement (legalizing MJ) that is begging to be taken seriously and has a real shot at it? In my opinion it should not be allowed to be sold in that packaging or advertised as a sizzurp replica. Kinda lame and immature.

    Have you read the news? Seen the stories and coverage on this stuff? Want that attention on the movement? Please don't tell me you believe it can help.
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  14. Puffers

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    @Caligula did they already take down your post on their IG page? I see their response to you but that's all....

    Censorship :mad:
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  15. Caligula

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    They have been deleting stuff left and right.
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  16. Jared

    Jared Cannabis Enthusiast

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    I hate riff raff. I have no idea how he ever got more than 5 fans. Also this is ridiculous. I think it's awesome that they have it in this form but they shouldn't be marketing it as lean. I've seen something similar in dispensaries around here but it was called something pretty classy and was purely medical-oriented.
  17. Quetzalcoatl

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    Promethazine is an antihistamine which works very well for nausea. I have a bottle of promethazine pills on my desk. It's the codeine which is the main thing in syrup that causes you to stop coughing.

    Codeine doesn't float on top ;) Paracetamol is soluble in water around 12.6mg/ml, so hardly soluble. You just filter it and throw away the goop, but that doesn't do anything for the caffeine so you end up getting horrible jitters from the caffeine by the time you get enough codeine in you.


    Anyways yeah this is kinda stupid but hey I'm voting with my dollar by not buying it :razz:
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  18. Abysmal Vapor

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    .With all my respect ... i've done the Acefine shit.. it works.. I got so effected once it almost stopped my breathing.. Codeine feels like you have the weight of the world on your shoulders and u need to lie and die in peace... It's the warm water and the cooling that help the separation... check with erowid if you like ;) And what about DXM ? Here you can buy cough syryp for 1 $ which contains 2 doses of DXM which trips hard enough as acid.. IMO.. Cough syryps were never meant to aid cough.. they are just the best selling product of pharmacy, that's why they keep changing just the dope contained ,maybe customers get bored of codeine,mophine.. etc :D
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  19. Quetzalcoatl

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    Only reason I say codeine doesn't float on top is because opiates are very soluble in water, paracetamol is not, hence why it precipitates out and you can (and should) filter it out. You don't need to add warm water, cold water works fine.

    I'd check Erowid but user-submitted reports don't hold much weight against scientific facts, IMO.

    DXM is a dissociative drug. Not the same as acid but close, they're both "hallucinogens" but acid is considered a psychedelic.

    Opiates are incredibly good at suppressing coughs, if you have chronic dry coughs you get it prescribed. DXM metabolizes in part into an opioid as well though.

    Believe me, I've done enough opiates to put a cancer ward to shame... Only one I haven't tired that's available in the US is oxymorphone, and I guess tapentadol but that's rarely prescribed.

    Just because they're fun doesn't mean they don't work for what they're supposed to be used for :|

    And I agree with @Jared, why not just provide decent tincture? Because it doesn't sell as well and doesn't make people feel as badass as "sizzurp."
  20. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    :) .. Wasn't saying DXM is Acid.. just pointing out it has as dramatic effects.I've never get to manage my cough with any syryp , mint tee works better, also there is tons of other herbs.. So that's why i came to conclusion it is not for cough.. It might help someone though ... :)
    Codeine might not float on top.. but paracetamol sinks and it still separetes itself from the other stuff and can be discarded via spoon..It is importnat not to powder the pills, but to crush them in big pieces :) Anyway.. enough discussion on how to extract codeine from pills :D..
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  21. grokit

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    I'm on a tylenol #3 daily and if I want to take more I will suffer gi issues.
    I wish I could get the codeine buffered with aspirin instead, because I think the cause of these gi issues is the tylenol, not the codeine. The good part is the tylenol is like a built-in narcotic limiter, and with mmj I can get by with just one a day and even skip it sometimes. I eat it (or just aspirin) with a flexeril before dinner so I can (usually) feel its effects, even with my tolerance. If I didn't have mmj I would be doomed.
    I also end up on robutissin dac if I get a cold because I can never knock it out of my chest. I guess that means I have copd, no surprise there as I had childhood asthma. Anyways the dac version rocks, the ac (also with codeine) version is crap and tastes like it as well. I think of the dac as nyquil and ac as dayquil.
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  22. Caligula

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    @grokit My mother had an issue with the APAP (acetamenophin or however you spell it) in her vicodin, so she ended up getting an Rx for vicoprofen. Ever consider that?
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    grokit power cosmic

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    Vicodin/vicoprofen is synthetic, which gives me even more gi problems. I can handle name brand vicodin because of its coating, but I prefer real the real codeine that's in the tylenol #3 /robitussin. I have no issues with aspirin, even when I add one to the #3's which I don't do very often. But if I try to add a plain tylenol it does stir up my issues so I don't do that. I'm thinking about looking into #4's if the symptoms get worse, we'll find out this summer I suppose. That's when my health hit the fan last year, exerting myself in the sun seems to be a big trigger for cramps/nausea. I got a taste of it today but I'm pacing myself.
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    Hannibal Buress went to a Riff Raff concert once. (6:58)

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    Fucking pickle juice. LMAO!

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