Is vaping as good as we think/hope?

[lwien]

CBD strains still get you high. Just not the same euphoric high from THC.

Huh? Your response to my quote doesn't make any sense. To repeat, I said that there are a lot of medical users who do NOT like to get high and I said that in response to your quote of "we ALL like to get high". I also said that for those medical users who do not like to get high, that they search out CBD strains to "mitigate" that highness.

Now please tell me how your response above pertains to what I said. I'm confused.

 

[KennyPowers]

hear hear! and all the more absurd that cannabis is classified in the same group (schedule A) with heroin, cocaine, etc. (leaving it to other countries like Israel to do the research, since it's such a hassle for American researchers to jump through all the legal hoops).

cocaine is medicine too. doctors use it all the time in a solution called TAC, it's 10% cocaine.
It's unique because it's the only localized pain killer that restricts blood flow at the same time.

 

[Alex22887]

Don't forget ADHD patients who take Adderall. All it is a controlled dosage of Amphetamine without any adulterants (clean speed.)

 

[woolspinner]

Don't forget ADHD patients who take Adderall. All it is a controlled dosage of Amphetamine without any adulterants (clean speed.)

Which adds fuel to my argument that we need to declassify all illegal drugs and end the stupid "war". As usual with wars, they often are started to fulfill some group/individual's desires and the populace pays with their lives. Better to spend all the drug war money on education and treatment.

 

[CarolKing]

Various levels and combinations of cannabinoids, terpenoids and flavonoids provide many benefits to the human body, dilating blood vessels, stimulating bone growth, protecting damaged brain cells, killing certain kinds of cancer cells, preventing seizure, controlling muscle spasticity, killing viruses and bacteria to name a few. It is the combination of varying levels of cannabinoids, terpenoids and flavonoids that seem to make the most effective medicine for specific symptoms and dis-eases – the isolated components appear to be less effective but nonetheless still therapeutic.

 

[DrNick420]

I think the op's question should be framed most around the vaporizer and not whether vaporizing in and of itself is as good as wel think/hope


We're finally techniologically at the point where people can make and consume cannabis nearly any method of intake they like, including eating.

As far as the vaping question goes - i never gave it terribly much thought because A) there's no question it's better than inhaling combusting plant matter+paper+whatever else it in the way....

My biggest with vapes is if they have a safe and healthy design. for me that means absolutely no electronics in the air path, and i will almost never accept a non-fully glass path design unless it is tested and proven to be safe - not many companies did or can afford to do this. At the same time not all vape designers are equally skilled in terms of technical competence, so if it's a design which doesn't get tested by a company like CE or UL for electrical safety than i have to ask myself do I trust this person's electrical knowledge and competence.

If you don't have the resources to test the safety of a vape then your best bet is using safe materials, that is why I will buy a vape made of wood and uses glass with much less hesitation than something which involves a battery and electronics..

Don't forget ADHD patients who take Adderall. All it is a controlled dosage of Amphetamine without any adulterants (clean speed.)

Ask any teenager thru 30 year old if they knew someone who sold their adderall at school and got their perscription every time even though they never took one.

 

[stonedbob]

nothing bad get in to your lungs.

 

[DrNick420]

I just realized I made a point "A)" and then never made a point "B)". God I make the most stoner mistakes when i post here.... maybe I need to start posting sober and THEN medicating lmao.

 

[kellya86]

I just realized I made a point "A)" and then never made a point "B)". God I make the most stoner mistakes when i post here.... maybe I need to start posting sober and THEN medicating lmao.

I much prefer the mistake ridden, lengthy ramblings of a high fc'er.....

 

[VegNVape]

What does that mean? Anything that gets into your lungs that is not air is not good for your lungs.

Er . . . I'm not so sure that's strictly true.
The contents of my asthma inhaler gets deep into my lungs & it is definitely good for them

In fact, they would've been in a bad state without it.

And I would doubt that is the only exception.

 

[lwien]

The contents of my asthma inhaler gets deep into my lungs & it is definitely good for them

It's good for your lungs in that it treats your asthma symptoms but I doubt that ANY doctor would recommend the use of an inhaler if you did not have those symptoms. I don't know of ANY drug that doesn't have it's downsides, be it in pill form or in inhaler form.

Hell, in many parts of the world, the air that @steama refers to isn't that healthy to inhale either but adding anything else into that mixture just compounds the risks.

 

[VegNVape]

but I doubt that ANY doctor would recommend the use of an inhaler if you did not have those symptoms.

Well, obviously. That goes for the majority of drugs.

But @steama said that anything that gets into your lungs that is not air is not good for them, and that is not strictly true.

My inhaler is definitely good for my lungs, or they would not function correctly.

Have I ever experienced any negetaive effects from using my inhalers for my entire life thus far? No. They are in good shape and perform better now imo, than they did when I was younger. Thank you inhaler.

I stand by my original post.

Also, inhaling steam (not @steama!) is considered to be good for the lungs at various times & for various reasons.

And yes, I would personally consider many forms of poisonous air pollution to be potentially worse for my lungs and body than inhaling the vapor from our organic herbs.

But that's just me. You may (& probably will) disagree with me as usual.

 

[lwien]

But @steama said that anything that gets into your lungs that is not air is not good for them, and that is not strictly true.

I am sure that @steama was talking about healthy lungs rather than lungs that were compromised and needs outside help to function better.

But that's just me. You may (& probably will) disagree with me as usual.

As usual?

 

[lwien]

Are you saying you did not understand what I was meaning? That's funny because I was specifically referring to vapor, smoke and the like.

Understood, but it's also true for anything else that's introduced into your lungs other than clean air, unless of course, your lungs require outside measures to help them function better, eh?

 

[VegNVape]

Are you saying you did not understand what I was meaning? That's funny because I was specifically referring to vapor, smoke and the like.

Happy to clear things up for you.

Sorry, I have not been following this thread and when you said 'anything' I took it as exactly that. Anything.

Specifics are useful to help avoid such confusion.

For goodness sake, say what you mean man!

And is steam not a form of vapor?

but it's also true for anything else that's introduced into your lungs other than clean air, unless of course, your lungs require outside measures to help them function better, eh?

So, you are saying that it is only good to inhale things into your lungs that help them to function better, and anything that does not help them to function better is bad?

Sounds logical. But 100% true? I am still not totally convinced.

 

[VegNVape]

Ah, likewise my man.

Nothing like a little 1-2 with some FC brethren to liven up my touchscreen.

Always a pleasure @steama, & I appreciate your good spirit.

Blessings - that we all have good strong lungs

 

[lwien]

Sure, and there may even be trade-offs using needed pharmaceutical medication and inhalers even if one needs them does not mean they are risk free. Hell, just watch a big pharma drug commercial. I take medications that have side effects and I take them anyway because of what it means if I don't.

Yup, it's that whole risk/reward ratio thing that ALWAYS comes into play.

So, you are saying that it is only good to inhale things into your lungs that help them to function better, and anything that does not help them to function better is bad?

Ummm......I'm not sure if that's what I said. But then again........hmmmmm....

I guess what I meant was that if one doesn't need to inhale anything into their lungs to help them function better than anything other than clean air may tip the risk/reward scale more towards the risk, but............if one does need to inhale something into their lungs to help them function better, than the scale may very well tip into the reward area.

 

[VegNVape]

anything other than clean air may tip the risk/reward scale more towards the risk.

Yeah, I can certainly see that potential.

As usual?

Yep. I'm a bit of a soft touch, and get my little feewings hurt far too easily I'm afraid.

Sorry if I come across as a dick or an airy fairy hippy.

But thanks for the discussion, it is an interesting topic.

 

[jojo monkey]

To answer the question in the title:

Fuck yes!

if one does need to inhale something into their lungs to help them function better, than the scale may very well tip into the reward area.

I started writing a bunch about how drugs are a reward for the mind and how it can be bad if that becomes the only reward, but I like how you say it better.

You guys ever hear about the drunk island monkeys?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2011/apr/26/1

Some monkeys like to party more than others..they are just wired that way. I think it is interesting that the addiction rates mirrors humans.

If you don't have the resources to test the safety of a vape then your best bet is using safe materials, that is why I will buy a vape made of wood and uses glass with much less hesitation than something which involves a battery and electronics..

Which vape do you use?

 

[max]

Which vape do you use?

This section -Vaporization Discussion - is not intended for discussion of specific vaporizers (and labeled accordingly- Vapor related but not model specific), and vape specific posts will be removed, or the thread will be closed and archived.

 

[syrupy]

Without question, vaping is better than combustion and its horrible by-products. That said, vaping is so new, that there could be long-term repercussions to vaporizing that we can't know yet.

 

[psychonaut]

I haven't had any issues yet from vaporizing ecig liquids for the past 7 years (propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and countless natural and artificial flavorings.) That's not to say that something won't come up.

Certainly not as good as clean air. That is an interesting baseline as most people live in areas where the air's not exactly clean or healthy, and it varies from one major metropolis to another. I'd think breathing in vapor from my crafty in the mountains would be healthier than breathing in city smog, vaporizer or not.

 

[herbivore21]

ETA: oh, I absolutely use it recreationally. It feels good, it relaxes me. However, I am interested in the potential health benefits as well. It curbs anxiety, at times helps me focus. I think meditation training can do that too, so I guess I am choosing medication because it is effective and fun. I read a study recently indicating that it could heal the part of my brain that may be getting damaged by other meds. In all these cases I cannot quote research, some may be anecdotal (maybe not the brain stuff). I know my migraines have been virtually nonexistent since I started vaping daily.

It can actually heal parts of your brain that are damaged through the long term experience of stress, anxiety and/or depression. Check out the literature on hippocampal neurogenesis from CBD!

Of course, for all the good that we know and love and keep finding out about cannabis, I do find that vaping flowers and some kinds of concentrates can be very harsh on the throat. I can also get some difficulty breathing from time to time if I vape a lot of flowers.

I really do look forward to a time when more sophisticated vaporizers get us more efficient results with less heat. I am sure it is only a matter of time!

 

[MoltenTiger]

@herbivore21 I will have to look into hippocampal neurogenesis from CBD, it sounds too impressive to not want to learn about.

From what I have read, the only positively associated negative medical risk seems to be gum health. And I feel like vaporizing must surely be a marked improvement, again over combustion.

As it is though, it is such an amazing plant, and plants are really amazing.
I think the thing with cannabis, is that it is basically the most common medium that can expose the level plant chemicals can interact with us, whilst still in raw form.
There are of course many examples, but nowadays it's so often commercialised. Even fruit/veg from supermarkets revolves entirely around 'produce'.

Remembering back, I was actually mind blown the first time I took a proper look at some 'weed'.
Propaganda is made to materialise the whole concept, and perpetuate the consumer mentality, perhaps.

https://examine.com/supplements/marijuana/

I found this site the other day^
It is a fantastic database.

 

[syrupy]

One thing that came to mind reading this thread, is confirmation bias. Because FCers are pro-cannabis by definition, we have an interest in seeing this herb in a positive light. A lot of the studies I looked at were inconclusive or contradictory. Guess we're all left to draw our own conclusions...