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Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Aimless Ryan, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. Fat Freddy

    Fat Freddy FUCK CANCER TOO !

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    CDC Guidelines Urge Doctors Not to Test for Marijuana
    March 18, 2016
    By Pat Anson, Editor7

    One of the less publicized provisions in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s opioid prescribing guidelines is a recommendation that doctors stop urine drug testing of patients for tetrahyrdocannabinol (THC), the psychoactive ingredient that causes the “high” for some marijuana users. The guidelines also discourage doctors from dropping patients if marijuana is detected.

    Urine drug screens are conducted almost routinely by pain management physicians and other opioid prescribers for a variety of drugs, both legal and illegal.

    Some doctors use a positive result for THC as an excuse to discharge patients from their practices, even in states where medical marijuana is legal.

    While the CDC guidelines encourage physicians to conduct urine drug tests before starting opioid therapy and at least annually afterwards, they draw the line at THC.

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    Clinicians should not test for substances for which results would not affect patient management or for which implications for patient management are unclear. For example, experts noted that there might be uncertainty about the clinical implications of a positive urine drug test for tetrahyrdocannabinol (THC).” the guidelines state.

    "Clinicians should not dismiss patients from care based on a urine drug test result because this could constitute patient abandonment and could have adverse consequences for patient safety, potentially including the patient obtaining opioids from alternative sources and the clinician missing opportunities to facilitate treatment for substance use disorder."

    As Pain News Network has reported, “point-of care” (POC) urine drug tests, the kind widely used in doctor’s offices, frequently giving false positive or false negative results for drugs like marijuana, oxycodone and methadone. One study found that 21% of POC tests for marijuana produced a false positive result. The test was also wrong 21% of the time when marijuana is not detected in a urine sample.

    Not mentioned in the CDC guidelines is evidence that opioid overdose rates declined by nearly 25 percent in states where medical marijuana was legalized.

    "We applaud the CDC's reasoned approach to the use of urine testing and its drawbacks when used on pain patients," said Ellen Komp, Deputy Director of California NORML. "Considering that opioid overdose deaths are significantly lower in states with medical marijuana programs, we are sorry the agency apparently didn't read the letter Elizabeth Warren recently sent to its chief calling for marijuana legalization as a means of dealing with the problem of opiate overdose."

    That letter by Sen. Warren encouraged the CDC to adopt the guidelines and its restrictive approach to opioids “as soon as possible,” but also encouraged the agency to further study the impact legalization of medical and recreational marijuana could have on opioid overdose deaths.

    The annual cost of drug testing in pain management is estimated at $2 billion per year. While POC tests are relatively cheap, more expensive laboratory testing can cost thousands of dollars and is often not covered by insurance.
     
  2. Aimless Ryan

    Aimless Ryan Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion

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    Assuming everything in that article is true/legit, it told me one very important thing I already knew but have been lied to about repeatedly, because doctors lie more than cops: There is no law making them drug test or exclude "qualified" patients from getting the help they need.

    Also, thank you very much for sharing it.

    EDIT: "Drug test" = test for THC.
     
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  3. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Hmmmm, just thinking out loud, but since CBD is a THC antagonist, would using CBD oil, or vaping CDB isolate crystals speed up cleansing of thc? Probably not, but i'm using it during my break and pretty sure they only test for THC metabolites, not CBD?
     
  4. Aimless Ryan

    Aimless Ryan Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion

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    I just got back from my pain clinic appointment. Looks like I'm most likely going to get the help I need. Finally.

    I still don't know what my piss had to say, but it may not matter. I was accompanied by a medical-professional friend, who knew how to handle everything and said I "performed" well (regarding my behavior and whatnot). What I mean by "performed" is that I was calm and said what they needed to hear. We actually volunteered information about my cannabis use.
     
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  5. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    the older people I know who get pain medication can use their cannabis for one month and then stop for a month for a check up( every two months) ... random pee tests not knowing if they will pee test or not... they can go three visits with no tests and get tested on the fourth visit.. testers say they are testing for correct medication levels but if that were it why ad in for narcotics too? I'm, like- 74 year old guy needing to be piss tested+ The Fuck?
     
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  6. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Just tested myself, failed after 26 days cannabis free. I think it takes me about 45 days or so, and i'm 6'3 185lbs with low body fat. My girl is 19 days clean, and passed and shes quit thin. The difference is our usage patterns, she was at .1g per night, and I was about 1.5g from morning until night.

    I'm just thinking I should wait until I self test clean, then freeze some urine? On the day of testing thaw out to room temp, and use that since they don't watch me in the bathroom? How could that not work?
     
  7. steama

    steama Well-Known Member

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  8. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Urine goes bad but not sure if freezing it would negate that or not, my amateur opinion is that it should totally work in theory unless the cold/time does something to urine I'm unaware of.

    I've also always heard that CBD will spark a positive test. Not informed enough though.

    Glad you are getting the help @Aimless Ryan , next time if you are worried load up on creatine in the days before the test. Standard flushing works for dip stip tests but lab tests, they test for vitamins, buoyancy, creatinine content (metabolized creatine). And load on B vitamins.

    And then flush accordingly. Your urine should pass a lab test but YMMV. It's because you are basically pissing out straight water but they can't tell because of the excess vitamins/creatinine. YMMV but I've known people with success with this.

    For example: lets say your body breaks down THC at 60 milligrams per hour into your bladder waiting to be disposed (arbitrary numbers) and lets say that the test comes up positive at 60 milligrams. After an hour and you piss once, that piss is going to have 60 milligrams of THC.

    Now if you are flushing, that first piss after the hour will be dirty (60 mg), but every subsequent piss will be emptying your bladder faster than your body can leech THC into it. Say now instead of an hour you have to piss again in a half hour because of all the water, now your piss is only at 30 mg, etc, etc. Working out is actually horrible to do right before a test because it causes more to leech from fat into bloodstream. If it's up in your fat and not in your piss, thats ok! If you keep pissing your bladder can never have enough THC in it to come up positive.

    And that's why you load up on the extra stuff too because if you have extra amounts it will leech into your urine to an acceptable level and appear that you aren't flushing. Hope that makes sense I am not a scientist :lol:

    Edit: @steama nice article, great minds !
     
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  9. steama

    steama Well-Known Member

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    The answer is synthetic urine. Check this out. Sorry if you already have because I posted it earlier. :peace:

    http://www.thewhizzinator.com/ :cool:
     
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  10. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    I certainly hope not! I've been using CBD isolate crystals and oil here and there, and read that unless you use it alot, it shouldn't be an issue. But fuck, thanks for reminding me because I better smarten up, because who really knows what's in the oil. My testing won't be for a while still anyway.

    I don't think i'd want to use urine that isn't mine! lol But i've read that freezing your own clean works perfectly. Since I have time, i'm okay anyway, but might be good to have in your deep freeze "just in case"! :lol:
     
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  11. steama

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    Beware of urine specimen containers with a thermometer strip. They know what the temperature should be when you take the test. I can't remember the last test that did not have a thermo strip. Just sayin', better safe than sorry.

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  12. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    :o I've never seen those before! Then again my urine testing is usually for other things!

    Thanks for the heads up!!!
     
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  13. steama

    steama Well-Known Member

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    I would say go by the boy scout motto >>> be prepared

    :peace:
     
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  14. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    I'm taking your advice Steama!!!!

    So weird, never even been in a position like this before.
     
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  15. jay87

    jay87 Well-Known Member

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    If you are truly desperate and know that you'll fail... I've heard very good things about the Whizzinator.

    It's the complete fake genitalia + synthetic urine + heating pad solution for people who plan to substitute their urine.


    NSFW:

    Never used it, heard many good things, and if I was totally desperate this is probably what I'd try.

    It also makes me laugh :rofl:

    Edit: I see @steama already beat me to it!
     
  16. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    So I didn't research much into these synthetic urine things, because i'd never use it, but I assume they have them for different genders and ages? I mean, how realistic can they be?
     
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  17. steama

    steama Well-Known Member

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    I do not believe you have to worry too much about gender or age testing in a drug screen, remember these people what to bust you while spending as little as possible. What you do have to worry about is 'water clear' urine which may flag your test as deliberately diluted, or cold piss from a jar in your pocket can also flag your urine specimen as tampered with. Knowledge is your friend my friend.
     
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  18. Madcap79

    Madcap79 Jack of all trades, master of none.

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    In my personal experience.......pissing close to 'clear' in color hasn't raised any flags. DOT testing......Carry on. That's the last I'll say.
     
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  19. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    I'm not sure the pain clinic wants to bust me, and the doctors office will be testing a lot more than just cannabis, full CBC, hormones etc. So yeah i guess the kind of testing matters.
     
  20. steama

    steama Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I would say that is more than a simple drug screen test fo sho. ;)
     
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  21. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Oh if you are subbing you most definitely need to heat the urine up, if it's too cold that's grounds for a failure/inconclusive. Even standard dips have the temp strip fme. If you have urine and no access to a microwave (lol) stop at McDonald's or Tim Hortons for you :lol: and run it under hot water then stash. A pill bottle heated and stashed properly will maintain temp. If strapping to leg get heat packs and gum bands.

    I got a leg strap from Quik Fix and use that. Much less intrusive than a whizzinator. I never had to actually use the piss though from it. I used Quik fix a few times tho for dip tests and no issues at all.

    Funny enough my friend is subbing now from another friend and they always meet at bar. I though alcohol would fuck it up but he's done this for at least a year nonissue. He's safety guy not sure what kind of test.

    @biohacker better safe than sorry! I was looking at CBD oils awhile back (personal use) and they all had disclaimer it would cause positive THC test but maybe that's not across board.
     
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  22. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    You guys are awesome, thanks! I don't trust the CBD oil I have, even though it's from the same place that has 20:1 and 1:1, this one has no cannabis except the CBD extract, but I feel such intense effects that it does concern me, so i'm just using it to help me in the initial stages of withdrawal (which are started to hit hard at the 27 day mark), but I have so much time that I will just drop the CBD oil after another few days.

    Even if I test positive it's not the end of the world for me, this break is more voluntary than forced, but it's still motivation to abstain, as I wanna get back to my baseline anyway. It's more of a personal challenge, but at the same time I don't want to raise any red flags with my medical team, as i'm technically not a legal patient at the moment (surprise surprise my psychiatrist doesn't support cannabis, just poisons without any regard for side effects!). My family doctor is incredible and hates pharma and supports cannabis, which is amazing, but it's the specialists that don't, so his hands are tied. I'm expecting the pain clinic to prescribe me cannabis instead of more toxic shit. My family doctor has said that with cannabis scripts up, pharma painkillers have plummeted.
     
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  23. CalyxSmokr

    CalyxSmokr Well-Known Member

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    I don't have inside knowledge but I would not trust even cbd isolates to not set off a thc urine test. I am sure preparations exist that are 100% thc free but I suspect many are synthetic.
    I have used synthetic urine 4 times and works great. They are serious about the temp though. I had to give a second sample last time because I thought having it in my crotch would bring it to body temp. NOT SO.
    Use the attached handwarmer. Too hot or too cold is a no go.
     
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  24. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    I've been using the 99%+ pure CBD isolate crystals, but i'm now worried enough to just stop the CBD altogether, it's probably even holding back my detox. I feel high constantly, and not in a good way either, and it's getting old.
     
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  25. herbivore21

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    Man honestly, you've got nothing to worry about. Especially if it was shipped across state lines, that stuff did not have THC. I know of no demonstrable means by which CBD crystals of that purity could end up giving you a positive THC reading in a urine test after inhalation.

    A lot of people who I've heard voice concerns about THC showing up in tests after consuming CBD are concerned about misunderstood claims from scientific literature that led some people to think that your stomach acid can somehow isomerize CBD into THC. If this were true, then you could conceivably end up with THC byproducts in your urine showing up in tests.

    Of course, this was never shown in vivo and so remains unsupported by evidence. There is no evidence to suggest that CBD has ever been isomerized to THC in a human, nor any animals' stomach.

    What do you mean by feeling 'high' btw? I've never felt any sense of being high from CBD without terps myself. From my understanding of your own medical scenario man, CBD sounds like just what you need!
     
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