i smoked from 1968 to 2000 - mostly joints and later, a nice glass pipe-ish thingy (basically a glass tube with a pipe screen). Then, in 2000, on a whim, i bought some flat bottom vials. That changed everything. Since then, it's been glass vape only - no metal pipe screen needed - and since 2009, computer temperature control. how can a joint compare to that? well, for me, it can't.