SilentJ
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Hex-Nail (HN-01) - RIP
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Elemen0py
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Having some experience with cabinetry and joinery, I was initially skeptical of the HN-01 when the first images of assembled enclosures were released. This was purely based on the slap-dash joinery of the wooden enclosures. That's why I'd expressed interest in fabricating my own.
With all the photos of the internals that have been released since then, I'm so fucking glad I never invested in one of these things. It baffles me how little mechanical sympathy has gone into the construction of these units. It genuinely seems as though the manufacturer had no respect for the product or intention of accounting for any sort of longevity of use. A cursory glance at some basic Youtube tutorials could have provided the know-how to assemble these units correctly and adequately.
These were obviously technically proficient people trying to establish a respected brand... I just don't get it.
Yea I agree on all parts @Elemen0py. It really doesn't make sense why they would put out these products like this when they've clearly shown they can do better.
Hollabackatcha
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Done.
Likes2vape
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That first picture is ridiculous just goes to show they never had any intention of keeping Hex-Nail a viable company. I am amazed every time I see the inside of one of these. I just can’t believe what a couple of scammers they were.
Baron23
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FFS that woman went nuts with the glue gun! sigh
YabbaDABBAdo
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https://m.imgur.com/gallery/MvxgYN0
Here’s a couple shots of the inside HN-01 from when I replaced my own sd card they sent me. Since everything has fallen apart I’m very interested in a rebuild of either unit I have both, and they are still working..... but kind of sketchy sometimes I notice my coil will start creaking and popping like it’s heating up just sitting idle and no sign on temp fluctuations on the 02, but with the 01 I will have a ramp in temperature for approximately 20sec for no reason at all just sitting idle. So I can say both units work but not how they did when I first got them.
Also I removed most of the hot glue mess myself......maybe that’s why it’s not working properly
On another note has anyone actually checked the temps of the nail surface temp and coil temp with a thermocouple to the so called “algorithm” they made up??because I have come to think about it and when you run any nail on standard light on any nail profile then switch to standard medium heavy or eternal, or for any nail and nail profile but the temps stay the same with the coil yet every time you change the nail setting ie light,medium,heavy the nail temps fluctuate and vary in such dramatic swings it makes no sense. There’s no way that just switching from those settings can change the surface temp that much.
Just makes me think how accurate everything really is and how much thought went into this with such shoty work
And how much is total BULL
Here’s a couple shots of the inside HN-01 from when I replaced my own sd card they sent me. Since everything has fallen apart I’m very interested in a rebuild of either unit I have both, and they are still working..... but kind of sketchy sometimes I notice my coil will start creaking and popping like it’s heating up just sitting idle and no sign on temp fluctuations on the 02, but with the 01 I will have a ramp in temperature for approximately 20sec for no reason at all just sitting idle. So I can say both units work but not how they did when I first got them.
Also I removed most of the hot glue mess myself......maybe that’s why it’s not working properly
On another note has anyone actually checked the temps of the nail surface temp and coil temp with a thermocouple to the so called “algorithm” they made up??because I have come to think about it and when you run any nail on standard light on any nail profile then switch to standard medium heavy or eternal, or for any nail and nail profile but the temps stay the same with the coil yet every time you change the nail setting ie light,medium,heavy the nail temps fluctuate and vary in such dramatic swings it makes no sense. There’s no way that just switching from those settings can change the surface temp that much.
Just makes me think how accurate everything really is and how much thought went into this with such shoty work
And how much is total BULL
antiburn
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I think they got a prototype slapped together, and then called it good and kept putting them together like that with whatever junk they could find.
My first HN-01 was a nice Bloodwood. I loved its color contrasts at the corners, where you could see the ends of the boards next to the tops. But it had a small paper thin split in the wood on the left next to the display, which eventually opened up more into a larger crack. They never responded to my emails about that.. , but they did several months later when the touchscreen when out on the display. The display's mounting also failed shortly after the touchscreen failed, and the bottom of the LCD fell in about 1/4". I can't even imaging how bad that unit must have looked inside, it was ordered near the end of the pre-sale. I wonder if they resold it later to the person who said there's has a crack?
I was eventually able to get a Padauk replacement from them that they offered me. And FWIW the internals don't look quite as bad as those other pics. It is still mostly hot glue holding things together, but it has a couple of small stand offs from the display to the pi and then from the pi to the back to hold things up. So at least no doll parts and there wasn't a big layer of electrical tape over it all either. Getting to the SD was pretty easy, and it only had a little glue on it so I just pulled it out without any trouble. All the glue was still on the card, but it was on scotch tape and peeled off with it. I still need to copy my card this weekend (Thanks for your post about it @JigMelon), but as it is, even with a backup it will probably still have its recent problems with the occasional hanging on startup and the temp display and graph freezing up often now..
My first HN-01 was a nice Bloodwood. I loved its color contrasts at the corners, where you could see the ends of the boards next to the tops. But it had a small paper thin split in the wood on the left next to the display, which eventually opened up more into a larger crack. They never responded to my emails about that.. , but they did several months later when the touchscreen when out on the display. The display's mounting also failed shortly after the touchscreen failed, and the bottom of the LCD fell in about 1/4". I can't even imaging how bad that unit must have looked inside, it was ordered near the end of the pre-sale. I wonder if they resold it later to the person who said there's has a crack?
I was eventually able to get a Padauk replacement from them that they offered me. And FWIW the internals don't look quite as bad as those other pics. It is still mostly hot glue holding things together, but it has a couple of small stand offs from the display to the pi and then from the pi to the back to hold things up. So at least no doll parts and there wasn't a big layer of electrical tape over it all either. Getting to the SD was pretty easy, and it only had a little glue on it so I just pulled it out without any trouble. All the glue was still on the card, but it was on scotch tape and peeled off with it. I still need to copy my card this weekend (Thanks for your post about it @JigMelon), but as it is, even with a backup it will probably still have its recent problems with the occasional hanging on startup and the temp display and graph freezing up often now..
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antiburn
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I didn't see this when I started my post, but this is the same way my current unit was built.
The random temp spike has always been something they have done. It's weird and random it will normally run within just a couple degrees, but sometimes I walk up to it and it's 25 over and going for no reason. Both my HN-01's did that.
And I don't think there was an actual algorithm for the nail temp display. It was always just different offsets. And they were known to be very wrong long ago in the thread. They were going to fix it "very soon" in the new software for a long time before they disappeared.
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PoopMachine
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When the assembly person is more interested in posting pictures of her dabbing then building units, what do you expect? It never made any sense to me the long build times other than I think they went long periods without really doing shit except smoking the profits.
That or the Dollar Store ran out of doll house furniture.
I even bought a piece of glass from them I didnt really need or want just to help them pay the rent because I felt bad for them. No telling how many of those "heartbreaking situations" were a bunch of made up shit.
alittledabwilldoya'
Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
Was it the Liquid Glass Arts Hourglass recycler?
Samson
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I live in Chicago and have an HN-01 unit that I suspect is bricked. I have barely used the unit and haven't had a chance to tinker with it.
@Hollabackatcha do you still need a unit? Depending on where you are in Chicago I could possibly meet you someplace tomorrow or this week.
@Hollabackatcha do you still need a unit? Depending on where you are in Chicago I could possibly meet you someplace tomorrow or this week.
scalescliffs
cashed
I’m so pleased my stoned ‘dollhouse table legs’ caught on
I'm the one in Chicago, actually. I believe @Hollabackatcha already has someone sending him a unit; if that's the case I can pick up your unit and have a go at it. Shoot me a PM. I'm north of the city but got a car.
Hollabackatcha
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I already have a unit on the way. Thanks for the reach out though. Hopefully we can get this going. What I can glean from the SD card is that these units will be containing a range of boards RPI 2, RPI 3 B and RPI B+. So we will see what we got when i get my hands on it. I will be going B+ for the 5G wifi support.
pxl_jockey
Just a dude
Kinda funny, and very pleasing, to see this thread’s resurgence at the hands of FC and the positive energy and momentum going forward after it’s abrupt demise. I’ve no doubt that you guys will realise the promised potential for Skynet & Red Queen owners, it’s very cool to witness the collective brain trust in action.
I’m excited about following future developments of a device (that isn’t a hexnail) to be self-built (or at least not by Ava and her magic glue gun) with the proprietary FC Genius Support in the FC Talisman thread.
I’m excited about following future developments of a device (that isn’t a hexnail) to be self-built (or at least not by Ava and her magic glue gun) with the proprietary FC Genius Support in the FC Talisman thread.
scalescliffs
cashed
At this rate, I’ll build another HN02 before my stolen property is returned. I have the HN01 software if it is needed still.
lolol @pxl_jockey all we need is a tshirt with the FC logo and then we're gonna take over Apple.
@scalescliffs I got your PM and I'll see what I can do once I have a HN-01 parts list and diagram.
Hey everyone, got another quick update, posting here since this specific update is relevant to official units. @Samson and I are in talks, so hopefully I'll have a wiring diagram up within a week, unless @Hollabackatcha gets around to it first. Here's a new, cleaner diagram for the HN-02, at least for the parts in my official unit:
https://easyeda.com/editor#id=|1502c8036b6942e4987d4e7b5ac65749
@scalescliffs I got your PM and I'll see what I can do once I have a HN-01 parts list and diagram.
Hey everyone, got another quick update, posting here since this specific update is relevant to official units. @Samson and I are in talks, so hopefully I'll have a wiring diagram up within a week, unless @Hollabackatcha gets around to it first. Here's a new, cleaner diagram for the HN-02, at least for the parts in my official unit:
https://easyeda.com/editor#id=|1502c8036b6942e4987d4e7b5ac65749
Hogni
Honi soit qui mal y pense
I really have no clue about technical things. But did I understand right that the SW is just made straight for the used components you can't change bc of that w/o changing the SW?
Regarding the parts, again, I've no clue, but after reading about all the mess and sloppiness of Ava the question comes to me do they have used good components in a good pairing and are these up to date or is there room for improvement or a technical update?
Regarding the parts, again, I've no clue, but after reading about all the mess and sloppiness of Ava the question comes to me do they have used good components in a good pairing and are these up to date or is there room for improvement or a technical update?
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You can definitely change the hardware, and you could spoof the readout of the components that gets sent to/from hexnaild, so it is possible to do it without changing the software. You can also make the adjustments in the circuit, instead. Most of the software works on other SBCs, as well. All of that stuff is possible, but for now I'm working with the (functionally) same parts so I don't have to worry about that being a potential issue to debug.
I have a parts list along with a diagram for those parts in the other thread, and I'll let you know how it goes when it's built (hopefully Thursday)
scalescliffs
cashed
Are we finding that there really isn’t any secret sauce? Just simple offsets? I always had sort of suspected that but now that people are into the software it should be apparent.
Unless someone decompiled the hexnaild binary, we have no idea what's going on in regard to their algorithms for anything that doesn't rely strictly on the thermocouple and SSR. The parts themselves don't need hexnaild to operate; interfaces for these components within linux are well documented. When I say that the same hardware would be necessary to have the same effects, I'm strictly speaking of when used with the hexnaild software. Without that, it isn't much different from the other nails.