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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by marcuss, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, this is what we can try and decide on together before release but sooner may be better to give Seb time to implement changes.
    Time to brainstorm crew!

    I forgot to photo the Sherlock body. Its pretty class actually can see it being quite popular not just for the Ti but for a lot of other vapes I reckon it will go really well with my vapcap. Photos to come another day (thursday may be a suitable "rainy day" lol, but I expect to show you all before then).

    Right, excitement over...back to boring life...;)
     
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  2. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    @Hogni

    Not sure an extension cable would be helpful as there would be a heavy connector in the middle.

    My High5 coil is very long and I leave a lot of it coiled up at the base of the controller.
    That thick cord has me worried.
     
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  3. LesPlenty

    LesPlenty Well-Known Member

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    Great idea @Hogni if the cable starts to play up, you simply replace that inexpensive extension chord, same as Ed`s TNT power supply.
     
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  4. Dubmonkey

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    Is the plug used in the DigiTi from out of the controller to the Herborizer unit miniXLR? Or some other kind of plug? Anyone know if would be possible to build a adaptor from the Herborizer cable to a dnail xlr plug set up? Would love a Herborizer Digti without the need to use the Herborizer controller.

    Edit: also wondering about voltage /wattage on the wire and Herborizer unit.
     
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  5. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Yep, pin config of the Digi would be interesting, @Alexis. Would be nice just to change the heating element for a complete Herbo Ti. But I don't believe in that.
     
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  6. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Please bear with me guys, hardly any sleep and super busy with bud rot, trim etc plus symptom demands. Just got my first meal been up since 7.30 am. Brooklyn Sunrise 3 jarring job too- 123 grams! 1 auto!:cool:

    So many thoughts on the digital, not clear enough yet though. It hits very hard though. I would say more so than the analogue. Initial heat up is super fast, like 3 mins. Barely time to grind. I dont think longer makes a difference once it sits stable.

    WhatvI was particularly interested in was the temp readings with usage variables.
    Dropped on a cold bowl, similar temp drop to FP. First hit, 14 degree (350-336), fairly qyickly, but always the heater kicks in quick and it starts climbing back up quick and is at 350 again before I even begin my exhale.

    Zero temp drop until inhaling. After a hit or 2 I think it is more like 10 degree drops, same fast re-climb.

    I hit it way too hard last night. It was dim lighting, tired, gone 9 pm. Always the worst time to test a new vape. I couldnt see and gauge clearly what I was taking in or exhaling initially.

    It came set at 350°C Seb said:
    "The temperature is set at 350°C, it is ideal for the vaporization of dry plants, but also for wax."

    It took me a whike to dial the Ti in for my allergies intially. I have to find that fine line wirh the temp, in line with load and draw technique. Same with the XL. I handle it very well as long as I dont go above setting 7, otherwise irritation steps up a big notch.

    So, when I borrowed the Ti last November, I used it 11 days straight very comfortably, I used it from 5 to 5.5 mostly, 5.7 max. 6 was always too much and made the difference, crossing that tolerance line.

    So 5 on analogue Ti is 190°C right? Seb sent my DigiTi on 350 F (176 C.) So quite below my comfortable analogue level. So I kept it at 350, but hit it long and hard as I do with my vapes in general, and in dim light.

    FC UFO bubbler too. Its dangerous, it effectively ups temps and can be overhit. Anyway after some loads I realised I was taking in much much larger hits than I thought. This vape is so smooth though it is deceptive and the airflow is fast so you can see thin vapor going in but you were taking in tons of it and in a short space of time as well you can really fill your lungs with a fast intake.

    The heater keeps up with a fast inhale as well on 350 Fahrenheit you can start with a really fast draw and get dense vapor production almost immediately and fill your lungs in 4 or 5 seconds.

    I discovered this today but last night I also was drawing much slower which would have meant a higher effective temperature. I definitely think it's possible that this is the more powerful heater which kicks in more instantly to maintain the set temperature.

    So I am consequently having trouble dialling the digi ti in for my allergies but this will obviously take a bit of time if I tried the other two models I have mentioned on a much higher temp and draw technique than I require it would cause problems and experiments would be temporarily slowed down.

    So I have a lot more bother so far than I did testing the Ti last Autumn. But I knew exactly what to do then- how to load, draw, temp etc. I ventured upma few times to check where that line is.

    So my DigiTi on 350/176 seems to be hotter/ more powerful than Dave's analogue on 5 (190) let alone 5.5.

    So need to do some figuring. I .REALLY didnt want to bring my allergies into this but it is impossible for me to sepsrate it.

    I will say- the bother is nothing like the FP, GS, EVO etc. I will have plenty more to say like I wanna share soon.
    I can say this is an excellent desktop. The vapor is incredibly smooth, deceiving. Short fast inhales give instant thick vapor. Long slow inhales work great too. Taste is very good, I think as good as the Showerhead. It is extremely pleasant anyway.

    My first load last night, I seemed to get a lot more out of it than usual. So many hits, big exhales too. And stronger effects than I expected.
    I LOVE the signature of the Ti. The effects are particularly deeply relaxing and penetrating. Colourful and interesting but so completely calm and relaxed.

    Incredibly easy to use as well loading and unloading bowls is a dream compared to the Elev8r and coil setup I have been enduring.

    Interestingly the first time I used the Elev8r in January was similarly late at night in the dim light and I over hit it massively and it completely wrecked my chest as bad as any vape ever. I was convinced I would never be able to tolerate it either but I have used it practically every day since until now.

    This short lead is pretty useless though. Need to be cramped so close. This will affect testing a little. I pesronally want at least an extra 3 feet.

    @lazylathe the cord isnt that bad actually. It has an easy comfortable feel to the Handling of it. And actually I kind of prefer the thicker robustness of it compared to my skinny tapeworm like enail coil.
    Gosh so tired guys I didn't plan this post but couldn't not share something will have to do it in bits and pieces as things become clearer. Not sure what else now?

    I tested the Sherlock ( pictures coming ) and it's a pretty smart way to vape actually, incredibly easy, direct and powerful. Very easy and comfortable to hold as well I can see people quite liking this one.

    I will def get you some pics of the connection. I see 5 pins.

    More later maybe?:wave:
     
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  7. LesPlenty

    LesPlenty Well-Known Member

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    So why the long wait for digital, it looks like a standard pid controller, same as FP?
     
  8. Alexis

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    It sounded like several technical manufacturing delays and nusiances a few times setting things back a few months each time.
    But...Sebastien freely admits he does not like to rush products to market under pressure from himself, he concentrates on simply developing the product fully first.
    Im sure there was more work involved than just attaching a different cord (not saying that is what you're saying btw).

    Getting his heater working just right would have been his focus. This vaoe gets me high! I trued 320 starting temp last night. My chest had just about recovered by the evening (Monday 350-380 reg bowl, Microbowl/Sherlock) (yesterday 350 max day time).

    320 was a much better experience. My chest was way happier. I have to conclude possibly...Seb stitched me up!:lol: Im sure I heard he used to use his Ti on setting 6 personally. And the XL on higher temps I need to avoid.

    Analogue 6 is just too hot for me. So his "ideal" temp is likeky not mine.
    Just the whole 350 ° /analogue dial correspondance throwing me.

    My 320 load- Im mostly a macrodoser, 0.15 to 0.3. So 0.3 ish fine grind Think Different- instant clouds, very very smooth but most of all WOW :o Honestly some of the best flavour I have ever had out of a vape. This year old cured plant has a really strong spicy tomato smell. The Ti brought that out more than ever before.

    It is the only vape I have hit, that experience, which I think matches the Elev8r for sensational flavour. If I didn't know better I would think the digital has improved in the flavour department. But possibly it has due to finer temp control. I can see very clearly, 190 C on Digital is not the same as 5 on analogue.

    But what the Digital does offer now, besides the fast heat up, is a consistent stable temperature with a range of 14° max during initial long hits. No calibration variation or inconsistency.

    Hey, I'm not trying to sell it over the analogue but I can see that these are some nice features. What I particularly appreciate as well is switching it on and seeing 3 minutes later you are at temperature and you know you were good to go whereas with the analogue I know a lot of people prefer to give it to a 10 to 15 minutes preheat. And it may be good enough to get going after 7 minutes for example but you can't be sure in your mind so the digital offers this kind of reassurance if that is important to some people.

    Still so busy folks with harvest demands and survival lol! (No joke though). Getting SO close. But need some more days and tomorrow is a rainy one. We will ride it out and hope to finish over the weekend. So far actual losses to damp is below 2%. You CAN control it but lots of hard work for best results.

    Very soon more time to give better pics and simple review. Feeling a lot better about it today. As with any vaporizer I cannot hit these higher temperatures which many of you typically like. I am sure those of you would really love this vaporizer at those higher temperatures to unleash its full potential hitting power which I am confident must be above the analogue and possibly more in line now with the Glass Symphony and Flowerpot if it was not already.

    We will have to wait for the true vaporists with full permit access come on board.:science:
    Thanks for bearing with me all.


    Edit- I forgot- the EFFECTS from that 0.3 load at 320- I just finished that load half hour ago, last night it wrecked me so hard I had to immediately lie down! Very strong vape for sure.
     
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  9. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Thanks @Alexis! Good luck for all your activities!

    As I said before I guess the fast uptemping is caused by the higher wattage of the new heater. Do you remember old/new wattage? If not please ask Seb for it. I mean to remember something like 35w?

    Flavourwise already the analogue one was better than the FP IMO. And yep, it's special signature of efx is a more sedating one than other desktops. That's the reason I called my Herbo Ti analogue "Der Sandmann" and use it on my bedside table for a "sleep well" hit.

    Still intersted in the xlr wiring of the Digi. But cause of the lower wattage the new heater wouldn't work with a "regular" enail controller I guess? But am no electrician so I don't know. Otherwise it'd be nice to upgrade the analogue to a digi just by changing the heater - maybe with an additional xlr adapter - if you already have a enail controller.
     
  10. Alexis

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    Sure, will get you pics soon. The wattage is 70 or something isnt it? I will try and find it when less tired. One mountain at a time. ;)

    A few I did take earlier:
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  11. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Is that the new Herborizer Sherlock? It looks fire and also works so I'm sure!
    But I reasonably fear it's nothing for me. It looks dam' breakable - too breakable for my hectical and careless handling :( One tip over and it's done.
    Pretty expensive I guess? But....GAS!..GAS!...GAS!! :drool:
    My gf will kill me.....
     
  12. rodders83

    rodders83 Contemplator of dual Mighty's

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    It all looks very expensive though its only what i give to street dealers if you are your own man its going to pay for itsself in months.

    Totally worth the outlay the guy fixed my XL twice and im proudly sucking on that as i type thanks to his hands free sherlock type mouthpeices. I can see me spending £500 here on this am i right? But you know if he keeps with the fantastico service i will save up starting now!

    Oh and i forgot to say @Alexis it was the power adapter that died on me not the injector which he refurbished on the first fix attempt until the whole setup inc plugs went in for diagnosis. It would give power but not enough to produce vapor and its nowhere near 20m to get 210c anymore.
     
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  13. Alexis

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    What did we tell you Rodders! Seb stands by his gear and treats us all as family practically. Thanks a lot for letting me know how that all turned out I was curious, and actually that is exactly what I envisaged from what you have told us so far, I knew he would fix you up for definite, and so true you feel much better about spending your cash knowing it comes with lifelong service at that are standard and with such a smile.

    What I like most about the Ti is simply and purely- the effects! Great, full penetrating and so deeply relaxing effects. I seem to get so much vapor from my herb, it keeps giving large draws at the lower temps (300-350). And Im actually quite surprised how much valye Im getting from my herb.

    You all know I love the Showerhead. But I actually feel I get stronger, fuller effects from the Ti without needing to rinse through material. The deep, long lasting stones Im getting have shown me what the Herborizer Ti is really all about- just great effects. This is its selling point. I cant venture near the super power temps either but this vape has a very strong but deeply relaxing and colourful high. But nicely balanced, not overly heavy and not at all lacking.

    The flavour is also much better than I remembered or noticed before. But my herb tastes better now compared to then so a slight factor but very good in the flavour department especially at those lower temps. You can really notice the fine characteristics.

    These are some of the strong points. There will perhaps be some practical constraints for some people, such as microdose one hit extractions without a bowl heat soak, and just the general finding that performance with the Ti has been better with a pre-heated bowl.

    I cant promise to reliably gauge @lazylathe how much this requirement/limmitation is nullified with the more powerful digital heater. I would really like to get you the Intel you deserve on this but I'm not sure if I'm capable of such objectivity at present but I will try when it seems reliably accomplishable.

    Cant wait for more recruits to come on board soon, roll on September (1st? 2nd?:hmm:)
     
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  14. buckhakeesah

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    Congrats on being #1 to try the new Herbo @Alexis! I'm still using my analog from time to time and it always surprises me when I switch things up. Happy to see you in good spirits and putting this thing to the test. I sort of like the smaller footprint of the analog version, so I don't think I'll be going digital anytime soon. I do like that sherlock though. What the price on that thing? Maybe if the mouthpiece was removeable, I would be interested. For me, it would double as a stand for the heater.
     
  15. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    @Alexis

    Once again no rush or any pressure from me!
    I need you to use your vaporizer however you want to!
    Enjoy it and relax with it and your bountiful harvest!
    In a few months time when you have a minute, test it out if you remember.

    Sounds like you are already loving it!
     
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  16. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Well the Sherlock was a last minute inclusion. We arranged the order, and when I paid the invoice the bubbler was out of stock. So Seb offered me the Sherlock at a discount but not sure exactly how much or what final retail price will be. I added a few extra bits which were also included in the second invoice.

    The Sherlock is definitely class. It works very well with my Vapcap too, but I can only guess at exact final price, I think Sebastien is still finalising these details but I would have to think > €50, and hopefully way less than €100, but your guess is as good as mine.

    I just got lucky, I would not have it if the bubbler hadn't sold out.
     
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  17. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    @Alexis does the Sherlock have the same ss base as the stand?
    I broke one stand while trying to dissamble it for cleaning. Such a tight fitting it even was too much pressure when using lube. But disassembling isn't really neccessary for cleaning the stand. But even for the Sherlock I guess?

    Take care. I can't see it right but it looks as the tube of the Sherlock is open to the bottom side. I fear reclaim of the Sherlock will pretty fast glue the glass part to the ss base. And iso is damaging silicone over time. So it shouldn't be recommanded to fill the lower part in contact with the o-ring with iso for dissolving reclaim for a longer time. There should be just a joint to the ss base beneath a closed bottom of the glass part so that reclaim gets no connection to the fitting.

    Also it would be very helpful for cleaning and replacement if there are stickable parts of the Sherlock at least the mp which probably breaks faster than hoped.

    Just my thoughts on the first view.
     
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  18. Alexis

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    I understand your concerns. Although tbh I never do long ISO soaks on my bubblers, just quick salt shake. Of course the Sherlock might be different and have some crevices. And I always soak my vapcap Orings in ISO much longer than my bubblers. Ive only ever had to replace one Oring I think in 2 years, I have plenty spares. The Orings on the Sherlock and stand must also be removable/replaceable?
    Sorry I dont have the pieces in view right now, laying down for a treatment and I did give everything its first soapy clean earlier. I believe the base is identical though, I mean no way would Seb design a new part so similar.
    Im not too worried about breaking it myself, Im generally pretty good like that but shouldnt tempt fate. I just ordered the Ddave vapcap water wand because my 18 mm Blackwood VonG doesnt seal fully with Jhooks. The Sherlock is great for smoothing out the Vapcap and is so easy and comfortable to hold and use. But I cant stand loose seals on these connections.
     
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  19. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge

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    I gotta chime in more often. My analog Ti is the most used vape around here. It fucking owns the studio and whoops my ass and everyone I show it to!
     
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  20. Alexis

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    @stickstones those are mighty testmonial words coming from you, and this assures me that I'm not such a puny lightweight and my judgement is not so far off thinking this vape hits pretty hard. And I think Im gonna have to tell Seb- He's got the wrong man to be sending early Digis to hehe!

    Some thoughts on the DigiTi. Seb assured me long ago that it will work just the same as far as "steam quality" goes. But I did wonder all along if the vape signature would be alteterd?

    I felt there was a good chance. And I was especially interested in watching exact temp shifts during hits and the reactivity and responsiveness of the heater.
    Temps drop up to 15 ° F depending on load stage/bowl heat etc, but it is fast and stsrts climbing right back up during the hit, back to temp just after end of inhalation.

    So temps drop fast initially as the heat is sucked through the load. The heater surely kicks in more and faster here than the amalogue (?), surely before temps begin rising, like an elastic band reaching the end of its stretch before heading back this way again with momentum.

    That's kind of what it looks and feels like watching the temp readings anyway. So this consistent, precise and meaured heater response will surely affect the signature on some way no? I actually feel that an adjustment of hitting technique may be required by some who are accustomed to the analogue. Just some musings anyway. Maybe one day @stickstones you might be able to run some temp probe tests on them both to see if anything interesting is revealed. I will keep a bag of popcorn on standby. ;)

    Now @Hogni good evening buddy. Some shots for you:
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    Came off easy as pie. No issue. Maybe not a problem for cleaning then? Just ISO wipe the top metal, or stand inverted above the Orings.
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    I think the bases are the same, I didn't want to fiddle with the stand though to make sure it's a bit deceiving looking at it through the glass but they must be the same.
    And this I believe is what you have been waiting for:
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    Only 4 pins sorry I clearly cant count- a sign of the times!:ugh:
     
  21. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    @Alexis Looks cool,congrats on your new toy :). I dont get it why it is not XLR-5 pin ,probably it can be used with an adapter or something like that with traditional e-nail plugs.
     
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  22. Alexis

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    A general FYI folks.

    Seb has now confirmed the fixed final price. The DigiTi wilo be available on the website in EARLY September. The bubbler package itself will be €529, so yes @rodders83 good guess bro that is just below £500 somewhere but then if you want to ger the stand as well you will be just about there.

    Sebastien's words:

    :)"I am waiting for the new glass joints to start marketing the DigiTi which will be available on the site in early September at a price of 529.00 euros (with the Bubbler body).


    I'm glad people appreciate the new "Sherlock" body, I also made another model similar to "Sherlock" but with a silicone hose instead of the glass suction tip".:rockon:

    So not long for those who have waited in this Digital age.
     
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  23. vapmanjoe

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    [​IMG]

    :freak:
     
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  24. LesPlenty

    LesPlenty Well-Known Member

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    I don`t know about waiting, I have to keep saving, AU$840 + freight costs +tax.
     
  25. fuby

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    Question, i hear in another topic that its possible to micro dose with the (digital) ti? I think it has something to do with e-nail (not sure what that is) Could someone explain me how the microdosing works? i like the vapeorizer but, i cant find anything about it. photos would be awesome!
     

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