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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by marcuss, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. ssrrosey

    ssrrosey Member

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    So first post on here, just made an account. I've been eyeing a herbo Ti for quite some time. Currently have 2 hoppers and was considering upgrading one of them to a Ti through a trade. Has anyone done a comparison of the two? Thoughts on the Ti? (it'll take a while to read through this thread)
     
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  2. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Comparison of what? Herbo Ti and hopper? Or Herbo Ti analog and digital?
    The Herb Ti is much more tasty, smoother and cooler (maybe also more effective) than the hopper.

    What thoughts on the Ti? There are a lot on it...

    Please try to ask more accurate questions ;)
     
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  3. Carlos8400

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    That's like asking to compare a Rolls Royce and a tuk tuk!

    Other than fitting in your pocket there isn't a single thing the Hopper does better than the Ti.

    Most importantly, i have had 2 Ti for a year, have had them on for hours at a time and have never had a problem. I haven't been able to keep a hopper working more than 3 weeks.
    The Ti is also made by a nice guy who knows what customer service is.
     
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  4. biohacker

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    What about heating up in 5 seconds? :brow:

    I really hope this thread doesn't turn into comparing a glass connoisseur level flagship desktop vape to an inferior bug ridden beta battery operated POS. :2c::)
     
  5. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    No, Pal, you are right but the hopper is really no POS it's just not fully developed!
     
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  6. biohacker

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    Apologies, I should of added that it was just like, my opinion man! :D
     
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  7. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    We speak about again when you'll buy 4 new hoppers - sorry, POS - in a few months! :evil:
     
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  8. biohacker

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    I'd be more than willing to accept any wagers on whether that will happen, but I can't just take your money! :lol: I actually just bought one a month or two ago, and quickly realized that my time and fun with the GH was OVER. Did not like the flavours I was experiencing nor uneven ABV... and the airflow was worse than the sv3! (didn't try the PFE though!). Anyways, back to that glass connoisseur flagship desktop! I personally think that the new beefed up heater digi version will be worth at least trying!

    Really wish Sebastien would get a proper Canadian distributor! Are there any US retailers?
     
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  9. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    I don't believe that the Digi will increase performance a lot - but who knows. At least it's getting kinda expensive. And seriously the Herb already IS a connoisseur flagship.
     
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  10. biohacker

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    One of the common complaints i've seen recurring is that the herbo does best (or at least for some people's preferences) with a heat soak. Perhaps this beefed up heater will make that a non-issue for those people? I dunno, just a thought... there must be a good reason for the change no?
     
  11. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Maybe, i think it's more a question of marketing and competition bc everone is crying for digital controllers, here, at Sublimator and everywhere else.
     
  12. Alexis

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    Good day friends. :wave: Steam done now but a rough start today, these damn winter viruses are a real bitch to stay on top of.

    @MrMonss and @Joaon thank you both for your useful and accurate insights on the digital.
    Joaon, you are spot on about the calibration advantage for consistency between different units. And yes the heater is identical appearance and shape, although internally it will be somewhat different, so it COULD have a new vape signature, for all we can be sure.

    I just wonder one thing Joaon, did you use exactly the same power outlet for both of your Ti's?
    When I visisted my friend to try, we vaped in his pool cabin, and he discovered that the power was not being supplied to the XL, or Ti properly, we had to raise temps a lot. The XL was completely useless no matter what, the Ti still performed but not as well.

    Just curious on that, I have no doubt that there will be variation to different units performance.

    @MrMonss very nice summary also of the many unavoidable variables in every day vaping, which can make it a less important to have pin point replicable temps etc.


    I would hope the performance will be similar, but there should be some practical advantages, like a faster heat up surely, and the benefit of knowing when temp is reached. Maybe some others too. I will surely ask Sebastien some more details on this soon, he has no doubt tested and is able to compare.

    I had another thought today- the GS funnel bowl will fit the XL injector. The injector is too close to the screen, but I took the screen out and the EQ basket drops in below. This should allow for microdosing with the XL.

    Im not sure if it will be worth the hassle though. A pain to load/unload I imagine. Thought I should give it a go before I list my Symphony, i got 2 funnel bowls so could keep one. Except won't be needed at all with Ti soon.

    This would have been right up @lazylathe 's street a few years ago. But with your current line up now Lazy, the XL is surely, officially (in the words of @bleak :bowdown: ) -"obsolete" now?!

    No point even trying for you I would think.
     
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  13. lazylathe

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    @Alexis

    I ran my XL a few weeks ago and was quite disappointed in the results. Heat up and heat soak time are quite long for it to be really effective. My other vapes blow it out of the water with ease and deliver what i am looking for.
    The new Ti was a lot better and way more effective, just hated having to have everything toasty hot to perform optimally.
    When the new digital version comes out i may have to try that!

    @biohacker My OG Grasshopper is still pounding away with ZERO RMA's. Still taste awesome and gives huge clouds in the WT but less dense on exhale as always.
    It does not stand up to my other vapes but it has a place! Love the heat up time but not the batteries! LOL!
     
  14. Carlos8400

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    I agree, i don't really see the point of the digi other than making OCD people happy...
     
  15. Alexis

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    Carlos, you're only saying that because you know you could never justify a 3rd Ti!;)
     
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  16. Carlos8400

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    You just watch! I will daisy chain all of them in a tri-bowl bong!
    Go out with a smile!

    But seriously, how precise does vaping have to be?
    I know some will say: "I can only tolerate vapor that is at precisely 289.7f, a single degree more and i get pneumonia, a single degree less and i will only extract 83.2% of the terpenes and that is just not good enough."

    For the vast majority of us, putting a dial on 5 or slightly above or below is more than enough!

    Would baking a cake work better at 400f than it would on Gas Mark 6? I think not...
    It's all about knowing your oven, not how fancy it is!
     
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  17. buckhakeesah

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    I agree with @Carlos8400 , because I jumped on the first gen Ti and I don't want to spend more on the digitTi. :brow: Was hoping it was somehow accomplished without the need of a new heater but I think i'm good with my rotary dial. I've lived with my nano, its spinning dial and I was happy with results, I'm sure life will be just fine without a digi temp readout.
     
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  18. ssrrosey

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    Okay so backstory, I live in a dorm so having a large setup is impractical (at one point I was considering a GS). Herbo ti seems pretty contained and powerful. After using my hoppers for a year+ I can't go back to a long session style, I love the speed and efficiency of convection. I actually really like the flavor of my hoppers too, particularly on medium-low heat. Imo the on demand nature of the GH is fantastic, in fact that's why I sold my EQ to get my second GH, the heat soaking was a hassle. From what I understand the herbo would be kinda like a desktop hopper, except it should have better flavor and best of all not the shitty RMA's.

    Essentially I was wondering if this would fit my needs (contained, fast, efficient, tasty, and somewhat the aesthetic). There seem to be very few reviews of the herbo ti's online, at least that I could find. If I wait for a digital herbo it should significantly lower the heat soak time because of the notably larger heater, correct? What is the heat soak time currently, 5-10 min? How fragile is the setup as in how risky to leave out on a desk (the vape itself, not the bubbler, I have some nice glass for it already)?

    @biohacker don't worry not trying to start another hopper thread, lol, you got quite the rep a while back over on the reddit sub! (that said I think most of your points are pretty fair) IMO great device, WHEN working. Shit customer service, and shit reliability, essentially a beta device. I think the company is on the verge of going under right now. That's part of the reason I want to divest from hopper labs right now and upgrade to something else like potentially the herbo.

    @Carlos8400 What makes you say its a rolls royce vs tuk tuk (had to look that one up). I always have enjoyed the hopper quite a bit, from vapor quality/taste to aesthetic and efficiency. Completely understand the herbo should be a step up but what aspect is so markedly better that you compare a royce to rickshaw.

    Sorry for poor formatting and everything, I need to poke around this forum and learn how to quote etc.

    Rereading this it seems like a post just promoting the hopper. Although I do really love my hoppers (again, WHEN functioning) I am getting extremely fed up with RMA's (14) and poor customer service which is why I am looking to upgrade at least one.
     
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  19. invertedisdead

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    Damn you guys are SAINTS to put up with HL like that, I was over my Hopper after the first RMA. I feel like anybody can come out with a portable vape that works really good for one bowl. I never had a fleet of them though, mine could have been bad from the start. After following them for 4 years it was hard to keep much interest in the team.
     
  20. Carlos8400

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    The ti is many things but fast it is not.
    You can count a good 8-12 minutes to warm up and then a good 10 minutes to cool down before you can pack things up. Not sure what dorm life is like nowadays, but the Ti is definitely not something you can quickly hide if someone comes around the corner. It is also very fragile.

    Hopper wise, i just never had much luck, both of mine broke fast, had harsh vapor, poor battery life, average flavor.
     
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  21. Alexis

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    @ssrrosey hi, and welcome. I will try and add something useful, but I have a very irregular way of looking at things and am somewhat handicapped in my ability to see and think clearly.
    Firstly, I don't think I would say the Ti is "very fragile." It is breakable for sure, having glass parts.

    But so are very many top desktops which can be far more fragile.
    I am going to buy the Ti again and fragility is very low down on my list of concerns.
    The glass part that houses the injector is the only part of the heater that is really breakable.

    And it isn't so prone to harm, as the vape is so easy to use and place down safely.
    Even if it did break, the cost to replace is nothing compared to what it might cost you to fix a lot of other vapes. Try breaking the Oddessey glass vaporizer- $700 replacement heater!

    The VHW I have craved since ever, but that IS a very fragile vape. Glass cover breakage is a strong likelihood at some point, and well over £100 to replace at best.
    I think if I broke it once, Im not sure I would dare replace it.
    The VHW is also quite prone to some sort of heater failiure and warranty of home repair.

    The Ti SHOULD go on for years and years no drop in performance. If there was ever an issue, Sebastien will fix for free. @Carlos8400 is dead right, best customer service you could ever ask for, and always with a smile.:)

    Jusy some examples anyway. The stand however, that Herborizer sells- to me, that is he aeakest point of the vape. I'm not keen personally to spend €40 on it. I don't have any problems with breaking things, like glass. Just never happens, but I could see me having an accident with the glass stand some day.

    I may just use a small bubbler as a heater stand.
    So the fragility is not such a great concern for me. As long as you have some sort of sturdy, suitable stand (Im sure owners use little bowls, cups, candle holders, ashtrays etc), then the Ti takes up very little room, small footprint. Both the Flowerpot and Symphony take a lot more space/accomodation and stick out way more, not easily concealable or transportable at a moment's notice. So the Ti suits you not too badly in this regard, compared to a lot of other desktops.

    I think it could easily be kept on on a neat little corner somewhere, and not even stick out at all, as long as you put your bubbler out of sight. Your glass bong is obviously the real candidate to break, but that will apply to any vape.
    The Ti can also be disconnected from the power supply in a second and moved out of sight- just be sure you keep safety in mind and have it set safely in it's stand/holder to cool down.

    Regarding the new heater and possible performance differences, nobody here actually knows anything about it yet, we are only guessing.
    So we have no idea how it might affect heat up, need for heat soaking etc.

    The Ti will work without a heat soak, in 5 minutes warm up it is very operable. I also think that it probably doesn't need long at all for the bowl to reach max temp either.

    Many users just switch their Ti on and leave it on all day/evening. It is perfectly suitable to leave running as long as you want, with safety in mind.

    However, if you are inable to leave it running and would be using it from cold multiple times per day, then it may not suit you for it's lack of "on demand".

    Hopefully we will get some more insight on the new heater at some point. Think I have run out of thoughts now, still waking up. Maybe more to add later. :wave:
     
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  22. Carlos8400

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    Reading Alexis' post i realize i was probably too concise...

    Although the Ti is made of good quality glass (i dropped the bowl at least twice and it always survived) and i am happy to keep mine out 24/7 i don't think i would be comfortable leaving it in plain sight in a dorm.
    In the end it is glass, and there are just too many things that can happen.
    The flip side of that is that although it can break, the bowl and the injector can both be replaced for 40 euros which is pretty cheap compared to other vapes.
    Saying that, i have taken mine to friends many times in a cheap camera bag and it was fine.

    Heat up time to me is 8-12 minutes depending on demanded temp. On 5 it takes a bit longer than it does on 7 (the controller is a power controller, not a thermostat). Yes you will get some vapor after 5 minutes, but to get the full in your face effect, 15 minutes minimum is what i do.

    I started by turning it on when i wanted to use it, but after a few months i just left it on most of the day, after a year, it still chugs along just fine.

    In use, the Ti is really a nice vape. It is easy to load and unload as long as you pay attention to the hot bits, it doesn't get dirty too fast (putting at least 2gr a day through mine i clean it once every 3 to 4 weeks). It goes anywhere from smooth cool vapor on 4.5 to harsh smoke like vapor that will nuke your brain on 7.5. Either way, you will get great flavour.
    It can handle small loads, but where it really shines are the packed bowls. It only takes 3 to 4 hits on 6 to nuke a full load.

    Design wise, IMO it is the best there is. The full setup is really nice and minimalist, it doesn't look like a science experiment or a big lump of plastic. It's super classy, and unlike Alexis, i think the stand really looks great and completes the look really well (although i agree 40 euro is steep for a stand)

    Really, the only negative i would give it, is that it is a massive enabler.
    If you have a lot of weed, you will vape a lot of weed, just because the Ti does not care whatsoever what you throw at it. It will just vape along and blow your mind, without ever needing a break.
    I have actually stopped using mine just because of that, i completely lost track of my consumption, endless supply and Ti are a dangerous combo...
    It is now reserved to special occasions and week ends, otherwise i just get carried away. The Dynavaps are now my daily drivers, just because of the self limiting design.

    I have had two GH, still have a mighty, an IQ, a bunch of vapcaps, a Vapman, and used quite a few other vapes, and the Ti is the only one that really made me lose control like that. In the beginning, switching from combustion i diminished my consumption quite a bit, but once i got used to vaping and to the Ti it just grew and grew and grew, to the poitn were i was at 3+gr a day without really trying.
    There is something about these desktop vapes that can really push you to consume, so be careful with that.

    It is hard work to go through an once with a Vapman or a hopper, it is barely a challenge with the Ti.
     
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  23. Alexis

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    @Carlos8400 that was a really interesting read for me thanks for sharing all that. I have been curious how you were currently fitting it in and usage preference- temp, bubbler(?), steam roller etc..

    I hope you can find a way to enjoy it more regularly without consumption rocketing, maybe the microbowl is worth a shot.
    I agree about how easy it is to vape through herb so fast, because it is so smooth and easy, and it does extract fully and quite quick too. This is one of the concerns I have myself- I need to moderate my usage because I may not get a restock until potentially September 2019, so I TRY to linit myself to half a gram a day, I could have a little more, but I share it with my mum, we work so hard to make it each summer so I feel bad for just- ploughing!

    With good fortune, this year will be a success, and if it looks on the cards I shall relax and allow myself a freer quota.

    Still, I did manage to moderate my Ti usage. What I basically want, is to be able to spend minimal time and effort to vape my dose. The Ti is perfect for this, as long as well pre-heated, interesting what you say about pre-heating.. I just assumed it might be ready faster but I always leave it plenty of time myself.

    From what @Joaon was saying, different heaters can vary in power or heat calibration. So it makes sense that some may not require such a long heat soak.

    With that in mind, @ssrrosey I think it makes sense to assume that the digital version with accurate calibration, and more power, SHOULD theoretically heat up quicker and be fully heat soaked. To me anyway, so you could see this, if true as an benefit.

    Okay have to get back to some Lemon Think Different, it ain't bad you know! So uplifting and energizing and clean.

    Oh yes, Carlos, I agree the stand is smart and convenient. I just see myself knocking it onto the floor one day. Saying that, I might just pick it up after all, we'll see.
     
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    I think fast extraction definitely enables one to plow through material, I know with a session vape, after 10 minutes I'm bored, whether I got as high as I wanted to or not. With these heavy hitting desktops... you never get bored!
     
  25. Carlos8400

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    For the moment it is hidden during the week and it comes out on Friday. I still use it 95% of the time dry with the steam roller.
    I really love that vape, and i'm still glad i got it, because it was the vape that made it possible for me to stop combusting. It is just too easy and convenient for it's own good.

    Back when i smoked with bongs, i don't think i could have gone higher than 2gr a day, just because my throat, lungs, etc would not have handled it.
    With the Ti it's not a problem anymore, you can really vape 5gr a day, and wake up feeling "ok"

    I admit i have always struggled with addiction/compulsion, so it might just be me, but i think it is a fair warning. The Ti took me to a place where all i wanted to do when i was home was use it, and all i wanted to do when i was out was go home and use it. More than wanting to get stoned, i wanted to get "Ti stoned".

    "This one goes to 11!"
     
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