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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by marcuss, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. Zow237

    Zow237 Well-Known Member

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    So I've been using the herbo for herbs over my fp. The main reasons, 1. Don't need to use a lollicap. 2. Longer sessions without scorching the load at all. 3. The visuals of the herbs being vaped.
    The only reason I would use fp over herbo is for flavor. The flavor on the fp is amazing for much longer while the herbo is one hit of flavor and some hints of a metallic ti taste. I love using it dry in my wt very smooth vapor compared the fp. There is much more heat being brought through on the fp I think. The density of the clouds and the milking of my wt is just amazing. It may not be as thick but it's def as dense as the fp on exhale. Micro dosing is so awesome and efficient with this device. As long as I can keep the glass from breaking then this thing is going to be my go to for flowers :) but I need to do some side by side testing. I just like that I can just dial in on the same number and get the same results. The fps results very in heat soaks and what temp I do that at. Herbo give same results every single time :). I need to get myself a j hook for this :) I used the concentrates addition and it just was to wasteful so I do not recommend it at all. I have been just doing my trates on fp and herbs with herbo :). All in all this is a fantastic vaporizer :cool:
     
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  2. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    That's awsome man that you are enjoying it so much. :)
    What temp and process are you favouring? Pre heat 15 mins on 6 on top of empty bowl, then drop in load and hit?
    I have noticed that even on setting 5 like that, when I drop in the load vapor is rising from the herb just sitting in the bowl.
    Glad it is working out for you bro!
     
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  3. Zow237

    Zow237 Well-Known Member

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    I have been preheating at 7.5 for mayb 10-15 mins. Idk how long it take for the ti to get where it needs to be. Instant white walls and I play with the heater length from the herb as well. Haven't combusted once
     
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  4. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    Awesome write-up and it mimics what i am seeing as well!
    Try concentrates on the herbo, just go low! I use around 4 on the dial and it is very good!
     
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  5. Zow237

    Zow237 Well-Known Member

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    This I'll try later. Seems like it'd work better because at mayb 7 it was burning my trates and couldn't get enough vapor from it because it was to hot. It would just burn up sizzle and fall or splatter on the glass
     
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  6. Carlos8400

    Carlos8400 Well-Known Member

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    The soon to be released user manual recommends setting the Ti between 4 and 6 for flower and between 3 and 5 for concentrates.

    Here are the air temps for flower:

    1 - 90°c / 194°f
    2 - 100°c / 212°f
    3 - 130°c / 266°f
    4 - 160°c / 320°f
    5 - 190°c / 374°f
    6 - 220°c / 428°f
    7 - 250°c / 482°f
    8 - 280°c / 536°f
    9 - 290°C / 554°f
    10 - 300°c / 572°f

    And the resistance temps for concentrates:

    1 - 170°c / 338°f
    2 - 190°c / 374°f
    3 - 250°c / 482°f
    4 - 300°c / 572°f
    5 - 330°c / 626°f
    6 - 380°c / 716°f
    7 - 410°c / 770°f
    8 - 440°c / 824°f
    9 - 470°C / 878°f
    10 - 500°c / 932°f

    FYI, after using the Ti anywhere from 4 to 7 for flower i have settled on 5, right in the middle of the recommended range. So it would make sens that 4 would be a good place to start from when using concentrates.
    Just remember that when using a lower setting you need to allow more time to preheat.
     
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  7. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Great info, Carlos!

    Does anybody know whether and when the new heater stand will be available?
     
  8. Pustupillo

    Pustupillo Vaporizing > Smoking

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    I see that the new stand is available on the Herbo website under accessories. 39€ :o

    im more interested in a smaler bowl, any news about it?
     
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  9. Doktor Dub

    Doktor Dub Well-Known Member

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    Thats a very confident price for the stand.... i second the interest in a smaller bowl...

    Have a nice day!
     
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  10. Zow237

    Zow237 Well-Known Member

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    How long do I preheat for?
     
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  11. Carlos8400

    Carlos8400 Well-Known Member

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    I don't really know, it depends....

    From my observations on 6 you can get away with around 5 minutes. On 5 i like to give it a good 10 minutes.
    You can also nuke it on 10 for 2 or 3 minutes and then go back down to the desired temp if you want to speed things up, but its hard to be consistent that way.
    I usually gauge by touch (for flower, i never tried the concentrate setup) i let it warm up on the bowl, when the side of the bowl is so hot i cannot grab it, i know it is good to go. I usually give it a quick pinch or two, at handle height.

    In a perfect situation, ie no time constraint, you might as well give it a full 15 minutes, just so you get a complete heat soak of everything, and the temperature really equalizes. Doing that you will really be able to spot the finer differences between temps. This will also give you the most consistent AVB from bowl to bowl.

    Edit: also, your ambient temperature will somewhat influence things...
     
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  12. Pustupillo

    Pustupillo Vaporizing > Smoking

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    15 on 6 is THE WAY TO GO :rockon:

    Today i upgraded to a 500ml EHLE with precooler... My herbo ti works soo good with it, HUGE milky cloud with little material as always. And with a big bong like this i also get a really cooled vapor, no irritation at all on my throat.. @Alexis you might try a BIG bong like this one for your sensityve lungs etc!
     
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  13. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Don't know why you are using it at so high temp... I think clouds are already so thick at 4.5 and taste is oustanding for most hits, it's normal the taste is spent so quickly at 6 !

    1-6 for flowers and 5-10 for concentrates (not using the enail option) seems right for me.

    My morning session today was a good Ti bowl on the top of my dry orbiter with a long glass stem inserted to smooth the vapor well!
     
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  14. Pustupillo

    Pustupillo Vaporizing > Smoking

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    I go with temp 6 cause I want a fast extraction, sedative effect, and I wanna be properly stoned lol. cause I Vape only 0.1 twice a day and I need a strong effect. At 6 my herb becomes dark brown in 5 seconds
     
  15. Zow237

    Zow237 Well-Known Member

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    This is def why I choose to go so high as well :) never combusts
     
  16. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    Just tried the heat soak method...
    Who unleashed the beast within the Herborizer Ti?

    I am on temp 5.5 with a nice heat soak, burnt my fingers on the bowl since it is always cool the way i used to use it...LOL!
    With the heat soak in can go slightly lower in temp and finish a load in one hit!
    Now it's a keeper!!

    When using it hotter and taking numerous hits i found the flavor suffered a lot!
    It was great the first hit but the rest were all meh...
    Now i can drop in 0,1g and get two solid, flavorful hits with two smaller hits with a few stirs in between.
    Almost no air gap between first and second hits without clearing the can.
    ABV is a nice tan color and very even.

    High temps are where it's at! The first hit can be insane if you load enough to fill your lungs...
    As @Pustupillo and @Zow237 We all seem to want instant whitewall and smack to the head effects!
    Just like the good old days, except cleaner and healthier!
     
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  17. Zow237

    Zow237 Well-Known Member

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    It's funny that you say this. I literally did the same thing and had such a flavorful session. Def hit the sweet spot. Heat soaks rock!
     
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  18. Carlos8400

    Carlos8400 Well-Known Member

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    It's almost as if the instructions were right! Who would have thought!
     
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  19. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    I never received instructions with mine... just a single sheet of paper with both Herborizer Ti models pictured.
    I remember reading a while ago they were making them.
    Can they be downloaded from someplace??
     
  20. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    For clarification, heat soak means let sit the heater in the (full?/empty?) bowl how long before drawing?
    Or am I totally wrong?
     
  21. Carlos8400

    Carlos8400 Well-Known Member

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    @lazylathe: yeah, i know, i was joking... At the time i got mine instructions didn't exist yet either. Last i heard they were about to be sent to print. Not sure when they will be released. Or if they will be available online.

    @Hogni : I think the term "heat soak" is used differently by people.

    Some people seem to be using it as meaning "leave the injector on the packed bowl a few seconds before taking your first draw". This definitely helps get thicker vapor from the first draw. ie, heat soaking the material you are about to vape. (this is mentioned in the instructions)

    Other people, me including, mean letting the entire setup reach temperature. ie give it enough time for thermal equilibrium to be reached. Meaning the resistance itself, the bowl, and all the glass in contact with a heat source has reached the hottest temperature it can with the amount of power selected.
    This to me takes around 15 minutes and is the best way to use the Ti.
    It is best to do this on an empty bowl as your herbs will be nuked by the time 15 minutes have passed.

    The manual also mentions not leaving the Injector on a packed bowl for too long as it can degrade your herbs too.
     
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  22. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Thank you, Sir!
    The last way I would go. Not very interested in conduction and lost of flavours.
    But what did @lazylathe mean?
     
  23. proteus

    proteus New Member

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  24. Vapelife13

    Vapelife13 Cloud chaser

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    I use the Ti with a heat soak on temp 6 on an empty bowl for 15 minutes. And then 0,15 in one hit.
    I use it like that for about 2 weeks, before i used it without heat soak but i needed always 0,25 per bowl to get the same effects and never get the direct white walling. So for me as a one hitter with a heat soak it is the most efficient way to use and with one hit the flavor is nice.
     
  25. Carlos8400

    Carlos8400 Well-Known Member

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    I just had an idea.

    Imagine this design:

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    But with a 18.8mm joint rather than bowl!

    Thoughts?
    I don't even know if it is possible to have a joint taper into a thin downstem.
     
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