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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by Hudsonrulez, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. DennisD

    DennisD Member

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    Thanks. Gonna take them up on the special. Do you have the five bag too?
     
  2. CheeseSandwich

    CheeseSandwich Well-Known Member

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    nope, just the 3
     
  3. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    [​IMG]
    Mystery image... :D
     
  4. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Looks like a fog manifold to me :haw::tup:
     
  5. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutation T-Dub,

    This is going to come as a surprise but, no! You'll have to guess again i'm afraid!!

    :ko:

    In fact it's a bad animation from an even wrost video and there's nothing to win so it's OKay if you'll pass but i thought that one was particularily easy, as a matter of fact...

    ;)
     
  6. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    I guess you just have "Fog" on my brain . . . :)
     
  7. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Well, there's as much fog beyond the right side of this snapshot (which we don't see):

    [​IMG]

    Now here's the simple truth...

    I couldn't get a proper video of the visible turbulence signs inside my glass tube so it seemed maybe an animated .GIF might do the job - but in the end the result wasn't what i was expecting and yet i posted it anyway, mainly because i like the level of contrast compared to this sample above.
     
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  8. onigiri1692

    onigiri1692 Well-Known Member

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  9. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations Onigiri1692,

    Merry early-Christmass! :D

    At the moment i can't resist the temptation to ask for a close-range video of this section:

    [​IMG]

    While in use, more specifically... :science:

    It should be possible to capture turbulent cannabic vapour movements by locating a powerful directive light-source behind your HerbalAire, outside the view-frame on the right side and at an angle of about 20 - 30 ° that makes the light-ray travel somewhat in parallel with the horizon towards the left side i would say. For directiveness i'd recommend to insert a flash-light inside some much longer tube in order to avoid the risk of direct line-of-sight illumination (relatively to camera lenses)...

    It should have a similar appearance:

    [​IMG]

    ...or better, hoppefully!!

    :peace:
     
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  10. YFZ

    YFZ Member

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    has someone confirmed the heater never gets close to 500f?
     
  11. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    I'll give you that I have yet to confirm it with a thermometer, but combustion should begin lower than that, and I've only had it happen once, I suspect due to a DC power source.
     
  12. YFZ

    YFZ Member

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    well i just thought if its more convection than conduction.....the heater could be hotter than combustion temps. Nor sure if anythings nearby the heater.
     
  13. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    There have been pics posted in this thread, and ezgo has them as well. What does it matter if "anything" is nearby?

    Ambiguous statement is ambiguous.
     
  14. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations OO,

    Here's all i've got:

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    The thick red wires connect to the 50 Watts metal-finish ceramic heater element inside the inner coaxial cavity of the heat-exchanging assembly. A thin red wire from the safety device feeds power into one of those thick red wires and hence i conclude this heater configuration is meant to turn off completely instead of igniting a fire - which remains to be confirmed by HerbalAire though...

    :peace:
     
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  15. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    Thank you very much for that picture.

    And thank you very much Egzoset for the conversation, I came to some interesting conclusions because of it.
     
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  16. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations OO,

    You're most welcome, too bad the manufacturer himself won't "volunteer" such information as i don't see much reason for HerbalAire to be so shy...

    :wave:
     
  17. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    imho, the HA may be a Jack of all trades, master of none, but for a first vape it rocked for so many reasons. Multimode, value, durability, extraction . . . I still have mine as backup just in case . . . :tup:
     
  18. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    we've been using ours by the bed, to run late night bags...does the trick pretty well, and I have to say watch out for highest temp vapor...that stuff is potent.
     
  19. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations T-Dub,

    It's even better than that: should my HerbalAire happen to die in my face i can just recycle its heat-exchanger by inserting it on top of a soldering iron! That wouldn't be a thermostatic vaporizer anymore but at least i do have a Plan-B already, in the HerbalAire itself... Oh, of course that would be lame as hell but having an alternative is always a good thing to have after all!!

    :peace:
     
  20. ictus

    ictus Well-Known Member

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    Picked up the HA 2.2 today and tried it using direct draw so far. I was really disappointed... Every hit gives me a mouth full of fine particulate. I know the directions say don't grind, but I already had ground material.

    This to me seems totally unusable as a direct draw cape without bubblers like above.

    Anybody else get this? And I don't mean a lil bit of dust... I'm spitting green shit in the sink and it tastes like a mouth full of pot.... Leaves.
     
  21. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    What's wrong with following directions?

    It can do ground just fine, you just have to add additional screens.

    This thread is a resource, not a place for you to bitch.

    Please read the thread first next time, before posting complaints about a fix that's been covered before.
     
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  22. ictus

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    Well I didn't come in to bitch, I simply asked if others had noticed so much particulate coming up with direct draw and no post filter. Forgive me for not reading this whole thread... I have been reading lots of threads lately and there is never enough time to read everything I wish I could. It was my impression that part of the reason forums are a resource is because of the questions and interactions. I did some searching but nothing obviously what I am talking about turned up.


    I just went ahead and used a quick water bottle based filter and it fixed the issue for me. But now I am having trouble changing the herb chamber without making a mess. I suppose once again you are going to flame me for mentioning my experience instead of at least linking me to an appropriate page within this thread, or some basic tips? Basically the white nozzle takes a bit of force to pull, and herb drops from that screen all over the place onto the unit.

    I am just skeptical about the "no grind" claims.
    Am I to be admonished for asking if the general consensus agrees with these manufacturer claims? Even if no grind is "required" won't you in theory get better efficiency with a grind?

    Also wish it was about twice as heavy. Anybody find a good way to weigh it down to stabilize things? The cord and tubing knock mine over.
     
  23. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    If I flame it's probably because you are putting the chamber in upside down.

    The no grind claim should have been covered before, but it's a simple concept. In normal vapes, there's only one heat inlet, and it allows the heat to flow around the plant. In the HA there are many holes which force the hot air through the material (in pulses), instead of allowing the air to gently, and continuously flow around the material.

    Did yours not come with a manual?
    Have you tried the search term "grind" when searching this thread.

    The amount of actives that are lost on the grinder would be considered less efficient.

    As far as the tipping over thing, I know what you mean, still haven't found a good way to fix it.
     
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  24. ictus

    ictus Well-Known Member

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    Mine has a manual. It says no grind ( in bold no less) but I never saw it mention pulsing air through the various holes. If that's true ( actually pulsing rather than evenly split between the holes) then news to me.

    I have a volcano that I am not totally happy with (lack of taste in vapor) but it evenly spreads the flow between 6 holes also. But even there I notice far better extraction with a thorough grind. Either way some experimentation is in order.


    Already I am more pleased with the vapor density and taste of the HA.

    What do you mean by inserting the chamber upside down? The manual doesn't specify a direction but I assumed it had to be with the screen down, otherwise what stops the material from getting I to the heating holes?
     
  25. nicelytoasted

    nicelytoasted Vaked Chemist

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    ictus:

    Welcome to HA land.

    I found that adding a fine mesh screen on top of the herb not only helps with scrubbing out some particulates, but also keeps the herb in the crucible when you change it out.

    The no grinding is for real, that flow design extracts better than any other vape, and no stirring is ever required. You can even compress large nugs into the crucible, and it will extract all the goodness out.

    As far as the tubing, I first upgraded from the stock, to some soft silicone rubber, which is a much better option. The bend radius also allows for much less stress on the HA itself, thus preventing knock overs. I have since eliminated all tubing and only go straight into my glass, which to me, is the best of the many vaping modes the HA has to offer.
     
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