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Help! Wheezing caused by Vaping?

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by mnd99, Oct 25, 2016.

  1. guipesa

    guipesa Member

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    I've had vapes convection arizer extreme, solo, volcano, crafty all of them cause irritation of the throat or lung, I'm going to try conduction (pax2), I think hot air and particles is guilty of it, compare an heater aire (convection), Radiator oil (conduction) that more dry the environment.
     
  2. Squiby

    Squiby Well-Known Member

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    Hot air can be cooled using a mouthful technique and you can avoid inhaling fine particles by using a debunked hemp fiber filter.

    Very effective and highly recommended. Good luck!

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/help-wheezing-caused-by-vaping.23008/#post-1041170
     
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  3. hillbill

    hillbill Active Member

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    I use half loads in my flowermates which are conduction. Less herb in contact with hot oven surfaces mean more gentile hits. I tamp the load down, screen on top and tamp again. Use something for a spacer and put mouthpiece on. I would expect most conduction vapes to behave likewise. This was a big help. If baskets or tanks are available for your vape you may want to try that also as I found them helpful and handy. Herb likes to be tightly packed for conduction to work better and a fine grind.l
     
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  4. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead Beware of Pizza

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    I read this fairly often about the Volcano being harsh. Personally I think it's because the bag has almost no draw resistance so you are literally breathing in a whole lung full of vapor. This is different than a direct draw device where some breath is used to draw and generate the vapor, so you aren't getting as much in one pull.

    I also think when many say harsh, they really mean dry. Vapor is 500 degrees cooler than smoke, so the heat is far less intense compared to the old bong rip throat burn. Personally I think smoke and vapor benefits from water filtration for maximum comfort.

    All vapor is ultimately hot air regardless of convection vs conduction heating method so I don't think that's it.
     
  5. guipesa

    guipesa Member

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    I think that in a convection vaporizer it is necessary to suck up a lot more air than of conduction. It is true that the smoke is hotter and more humid, with respect to the vapor it is dry if it is hot since the humidity is relative. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll tell you how to do with pax 2. And forgiving my English I'm a beginner.
     
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  6. idtpx

    idtpx Member

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    It seems nobody mentioned things like

    weaker immune system
    bacteria in air path
    properly grown and stored weed without pathogens
    low temperature vaping (185C )

    with combustion you don't need to care so much about purity since fire kills almost everything.


    I clean my Volcano after ~ 30 sessions every 2 - 3 days (including new bag) and it helps very much with respiratory issues including wheezing but you also need weed with minimum pathogens to really see the difference.

    Things like water filtration or cloth filtration could only reduce amount of bad things you inhale if your air path is not perfectly clean
     
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  7. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead Beware of Pizza

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    Damn new bag every 2 days, impressive! I do find they get tainted to a strain relatively quick, but can't be bothered wrestling with poor fitting oven bags that often. Are using the S&B bags? They align better to the filling chamber but are a bit small without it being super long which tends to topple over, IME.
     
  8. idtpx

    idtpx Member

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    I use heat resistant oven bags for $1 per 3 meters and reuse them (turning inside out) for additional few days.
    Bathing every solid valve part in 99% Isopropyl alcohol which I also reuse

    This maintenance costs me 10 - 15 minutes of time while watching youtube video. I can immediately feel positive difference after the full cleaning.

    btw I used to do exact opposite of this for many years (like trying to use one bag for as long as possible). Now I regret it.
     
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  9. strictly vapor

    strictly vapor Well-Known Member

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    I was doing half loads in the mighty and had the same experience: less conduction more convection. This became my go to method as I found it to be much smoother.
     
  10. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead Beware of Pizza

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    Very interesting about reversing the bag, guess its not too sticky since you change so frequently too,
     
  11. muunch

    muunch Munchlax uses Rest!

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    I haven't tried my MFLB to test conduction vs convection, but my cough is mostly gone. I was worried that vapor irritation was a cause, rather than a symptom but I'm at like 70% now.

    The sticky brick was definitely much smoother for me while taking big hits than my other vapes but I don't know what variable that is due to. I'm interested in knowing if the h20 from the butane burning off affects anything.

    I'll also note that mine wasn't due to particle irritation, so the hemp fiber didn't help.
     
  12. idtpx

    idtpx Member

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    It is not ideal because older reversed bag does not taste the same like completely new bag (you are touching it many times with your hands before reversing). If you reverse the bag early enough (after few days) it is barely noticeable and reversing still provides its benefit.
     
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  13. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead Beware of Pizza

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    Never used a brick but thats what many say, the water vapor from the butane.
     
  14. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    There a lot of great info here. I'm going to start adding hemp fiber to my vapcap. I've never tried concentrates. But pretty much no matter what vapes or methods I've tried I do start wheezing at some point. I deal with it by taking a vacation until the wheezing clears up. It takes a while, once I start vaping, before the wheezing starts again.
     
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  15. hillbill

    hillbill Active Member

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    A smaller load with a conduction unit will result in a bit weaker and noticeably more gentile pull. Less herb in contact with hot chamber and other heated herb. I do well with a half load tapped down and screened. I also use a spacer which is usually some small nut or whatever. Really makes nice use of the herb that way also.
     
  16. yogoshio

    yogoshio Annoying Libertarian

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    For my experience, vaping has drastically improved my asthma. I am able to take fuller and deeper breaths since I started vaping.

    The THC acts as en expectorant, so it will aid in mucus extraction.

    In fact, when I vape I cough less but it actually works (ie, removing gunk) as opposed to just lungs being pissed at me. I sometimes end up wheezing indirectly not because of irritation but rather mucus evacuation.
     
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  17. hillbill

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    I wheeze very little now. Tolerated it for years due to nicotine addiction. Not cumbusting herb keeps coughing up gunk away. I seldom smoke herb because it all tastes like an ashtray or burn barrel. Pulling vapor into the mouth and then inhaling it is very helpful.
     
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  18. idtpx

    idtpx Member

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    You are right.
    Your mucus should have water like consistency and breathing should be very easy like you are breathing mountain air while your lungs feel perfectly clear.

    From my experience If your mucus is even slightly sticky or you have stuffy nose it means you are inhaling too much bacteria and should clean your vaporizer completely or use different herb
     
  19. hillbill

    hillbill Active Member

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    A person who has asthma may not ever feel what you think breathing mountain air is like. Bacteria really has nothing to do with this. Prolonged inhaling of extremely dry and warm air is the relevant factor. Changing herb will be useless unless you want an excuse to buy more mota!
     
  20. idtpx

    idtpx Member

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    I'm talking about healthy person with no asthma. Any doctor should confirm that is ideal to clean whole air path after every session to prevent bacteria growth.
     

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