Help! Wheezing caused by Vaping?

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by mnd99, Oct 25, 2016.

  1. mnd99

    mnd99 Well-Known Member

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    Hello FC,

    My brother wanted to register here and ask this but he couldn't get his confirmation email. Pakalolo tried a lot to help him get setup but oh well. So I turned him to vaporizing about a year ago but now he has issues.

    I have been vaping every single day for the last 9 months or so. I'm wheezing now. When I breathe in and breathe out, I can hear this whistling wheezing coming out of nose. Is vaping ultimnately harmful for you? I don't vape dry. I like milking the tube as they say. So I thought having water filtered vaporization is going to be better for lungs and that's why I have been doing it that way. What should I do? Should I smoke? Should I find other methods to use the medicine? I have noticed lately no matter what vape and strain I use, I'm wheezing. My health is ultimately more important but I'm also taking the medicine for my health. It was supposed to help me and not cause harm to my body. I'm kinda at a loss here as to what to do. Should I quit?


    Any of you guys been in these shoes before and know what's the next step?
     
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  2. TheVaporist

    TheVaporist Man is a universe within himself

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    Hello!
    Is your brother drinking enough water?
    If was in the same situation when I weren't properly hydrated.

    Vapor, even though water, dehydrate your aerial path, mucus etc... To counteract this, drink a lot of water, you can even fill your water piece with warm water, which moisturize the vapor.
    Yogourt and tea are good too, but not in the water piece :D

    Edit: smoking isn't better in any way, vaporization is way less harmful than smoking.
    Don't need to say that smoke taste like shit and coat your lung with tar ;)
     
  3. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    Most of us aren't doctors. Maybe bro needs to go into the doctor and see what's up. There is a lot of prejudice in the medical community regarding cannabis. I'm afraid if you were upfront with your use the doctor would automatically blame vaporizing cannbais. If you have issues smoking would make things way worse.

    Try a T break for a few days and see how you feel. Maybe you are vaporizing cannabis too much? All in moderation. What about the cannbais you are using? We never know how our fav flower is grown? I worry about bad chemicals used in the growing process.

    Using concentrates are hard on my lungs.

    I would go into the doctor and see what he says regarding the wheezing. Don't fess up right away about the cannabis unless you felt comfortable with that.
    Good luck.
     
  4. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    Is he overweight?

    I don't believe for a second that smoking would fix it, no.
     
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  5. VegNVape

    VegNVape BBC Computer 32K Company Rep

    I believe I may know that of which you speak . . . . :myday:
    • What vapes does he use?
    • Sessioning will most likely make it worse.
    • Was he already asthmatic at all? If so, does he have access to an inhaler? If he does, he will probably find that using it will provide instant relief.
    • Get a BIG HITTING vaporizer that can kill a load in one or two draws, and this will help with my final point, which is . . . .
    • The less time spent sucking on hot air, the better! :2c:
    PeaceÑLove.
    :peace:
     
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  6. Xelatsok

    Xelatsok vapes tobacco modding the vapes

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    I bet he uses convective vape, likely butane.
    +1
     
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  7. BeardedCrow

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    I don't believe the hype that vaping is super safe, we actually haven't done extensive testing on it or know what long term effects it can have, because it's new. Everything is mostly educated guesses.

    I've been vaping for years and cough and wheeze too, and I known it's from vaping. Smoking is better on my throat than vaping, but vaping is better on my lungs.
     
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  8. mnd99

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    Thanks for trying to help everyone. My brother is on the low functioning end of the autistic spectrum but he is a completely different person under the herb. It's like magic really. He gets transformed and he gets to be somebody else for a little while and this is why he has been doing it every single day.

    This is a good point. He doesn't drink water after every hit. He usually takes water after a session. He said after the wheezing started, he intuitively started taking water after every hit for the past few weeks but the wheezing is still there. I was searching the forum and somebody said having a few drops of lime or lemon juice and soothe the lungs. Anyone ever heard of this one?

    It's a legal state and he always tries to ask the people at the shop to give him strains that are properly cured with no chemicals. He is very health conscious. He might be taking too much. As far as I know, he has a morning session and a night session but I have never seen like indulging. He is always functional and that's the reason why he takes the herbs. He says it makes him "normal"

    He is 5'8 and 130 lbs.



    • The ones I gifted him. His daily driver is an E-nano that I gifted him last year. He also has a Mighty which he only got recently and he uses a whip to connect to water. I think he may have tried Mighty dry once or twice
    • He is a sessioning kinda guy. i know there is a morning session and a night session.

    • Never asthmatic. Never had an inhaler.

    • What do you recommend? Evo? His birthday is coming up and maybe I should get him something.

    • So he needs to cut his time with sessions. He needs like a One hit wonder. Sublimator?
    So you are saying because he uses every day and has a morning and night session, he has hyperaccelerated his wheezing in only 9 months. I see what you are saying. Ultimately we are putting things in our lungs and maybe they are supposed to be there. Who knows!
     
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  9. VegNVape

    VegNVape BBC Computer 32K Company Rep

    You said it bro! Sublimator & Evo were exactly what I was thinking when I wrote the post.

    Specifically the Sub pretty much resolved my issues several years ago . . . .

    You're a good brother! :tup:

    :peace:
     
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  10. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    That's interesting you feel that way, the higher temperature smoke always irritated my throat, I just had a flashback to water tool combustion days; I haven't felt that hot burning throat feeling in so long I used to get from a big snap.

    I agree 100% about it being an educated guess, to be fair though I can't think of much of anything humans do that has truly been tested "long term."

    That being said I have much more faith in vaporizing dry herbs than I do concentrates; even though I dabble I'm overall not a fan of isolated or refining nature but I'm guilty of their convenience.
     
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  11. BeardedCrow

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    It's safe in moderation, imo.

    I've cut down on vaping, and my throat is much better.
    Also I avoid solvent made concentrate if possible. Rosin and live extracts seem to be better, on paper anyways.
     
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  12. MinnBobber

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    X2 to water that is warm or hot, experiment, as it gives the vapor moisture which is drastically needed.

    X2 drink water before vaping (most important) and during.
     
  13. herbivore21

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    For cutting down how long your sessions take, use concentrates. This is the biggest time saving change you can make to your routine.

    However when sensitivities are at play like this, you need to focus on either thoroughly dewaxed concentrates (winterized solvent extracts that are properly purged by legitimate extract artists will be great here, but remember the golden rule - no COA/lab results, no buy!) or even solventless extracts, like rosin which contains more of the wax fraction and full melt hashes which have this and the rest of the non-resin fraction of the resin glands. The reason the solventless ones will still help is that they retain more terpenes and give you much more of an effect from less material being vaporized than even most solvent extracts. However, well dewaxed solvent extracts will be easier on the lungs to inhale but won't have such a full effect that feels just as broad as the effect of your flower, but concentrated.

    Solventless extracts cost a lot of money depending where you live, but almost anyone can make their own rosin! Check out that thread in the concentrates section here!

    Solvent based extracts should not be made at home by most people, and many retail solvent based extracts are not made or tested so scrupulously and need to be avoided. This is the main barrier to concentrates for most people (since most of what is affordable to the masses is solvent based!). This is no problem though since people who know mmj processing like myself and others around here are always happy to help you to know the difference between something good for your needs or something that is probably best avoided :)

    If you continue consuming flowers alone, you may find depending on your current vape that a more efficient flower vape may help. But I find after having owned and/or extensively used many of the high end vapes (Evo, Sublimator, Mighty, Grasshopper, Crafty, Volcano, Plenty and more) that if I use only flowers I am vaping day-in day-out and experience more throat discomfort and coughing, whereas concentrates use is very occasional to get the same required results with less total vapor inhaled and less of the respiratory irritation etc that comes with more inhalation of stuff that isn't air.

    YMMV but definitely consider concentrates to cut down on time spent vaping and also on total vapor inhaled to get the desired effects if you haven't before :2c:
     
  14. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    I don't agree that one huge draw is easier on the lungs than a few smaller ones making up a session.
    I can tell you this my lungs have never begged for mercy from a Volcano bag like a big dab, ever.
     
  15. herbivore21

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    Man if the OP is looking to stay at the same overall level of usage and just minimize the time spent vaping, the stress on their airways and the amount of overall vapor consumed (which from my reading of the OP is what seems to be the solution) - then small dabs are what we are talking about and big dabs are irrelevant to the discussion.

    If you're vaping .1g-.2g of flower in a flower vape, what I am suggesting is that if you squish that .1 flower and dab the resulting ~.02-.04g of rosin, you will inhale less vapor (and so have less stress on your respiratory tract) to get more effect. That is the kind of dose I am talking about above.

    Also remember there are many ways to consume a small amount of oil slowly. Using a vapexnail at very low temp allows you to consume your dab in several, or even many small draws (best of both worlds!) over a small 'session' if you so choose. Still, a small-medium .02-.04g dab on an enail is not by any stretch going to provide 'one huge draw' - more like one small to medium draw rather than prolonged huffing on the same .1-.2g bowl of flowers for 5-15 minutes depending on the vape :2c:

    I am not suggesting large dabs, because that would greatly increase the user's tolerance and as you say, could even exacerbate rather than resolve the OP's problem. Still, I think small dabs are a definite avenue to explore to resolve a number of their stated issues.

    I agree with you in that I do not suggest getting a harder hitting, high restriction vape like the Sublimator if you are already getting wheezing/respiratory restriction when breathing - it requires you to inhale very hard and this is going to push your lungs harder. However, the sublimator would work on a purely time saving basis where you are looking to spend less time vaping flower to get the same effect. :peace:
     
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  16. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    I was just speaking kind of in general, but I totally see what you're saying. That's a different perspective and method, I've never met anyone that dabbed like that but I would like to try it.

    I'm thinking a big question though, is how much is the OP's brother really medicating? OP says morning and night session, to me that doesn't sound like many sessions, so I wonder what else is going on? Two sessions a day seems minimal to be so wheezy.
     
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  17. herbivore21

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    The term 'session' is ambiguous.

    It could be meant as vaping one bowl in a 'session' style vape, or it could mean sitting down to vape many bowls in two long 'sessions'.

    For example: Consider the vaporist who works a job where they can't vape at work, but will vape heavily before and after work at home. They might smoke in two sessions per day, but still be heavy users on a total-consumption-per-day measure.

    On the other hand, two bowls in a session vape could conceivably be pretty small consumption. One or Two very small dabs per day could conceivably replace this version of 'two sessions'. That's an almost negligible amount of time spent vaping in that case. Still, I doubt that low of an amount of usage is likely to cause wheezing etc nor take significant time to consume, so I'm guessing that the previous example is more likely.
     
  18. Xelatsok

    Xelatsok vapes tobacco modding the vapes

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    Edibles?
     
  19. mnd99

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    E-nano seems like an efficient vape but I think because of the smaller bowl sizes, he is doing multiple hits during a session. It sounds like the overwhelming solution is to go to concentrates and cut down the time of vaping. It's not going to be an easy transition and being health conscious as he is, I'm sure he will spend weeks or months trying to learn as much as he can before even trying it for the first time.

    Evo might be a good investment because he could still go back on the old faithful flowers and get a footing into the concentrate world.

    Thanks for all the comments. All the suggestions are being implemented. Instead of cold water, now warm water is being used. Drinking water before and during and after hits. Few drops of lime juice or lemon juice in the water ( found this on the forum from a post few years ago ) Drastic reduction in sessioning. Maybe invest in a double vape ( flowers and concentrates ) like the Evo and also take baby steps into concentrates. I think that sums up all that we have learned so far.
     
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  20. Xelatsok

    Xelatsok vapes tobacco modding the vapes

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    I recommend to try VapCap also, it was most easy on my lungs before I broke it. Take non-glass one though.
     
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  21. TheVaporist

    TheVaporist Man is a universe within himself

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    I second that , it's amazing how smooth it is. Definitely the easiest with my lungs , on par with my Aromed.
    Damn sweet beauty !
     
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  22. Reliable ShotZ

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    edibles are the only healthy way for your airways, vaping is a lot more harmful for your lungs than you think.
     
  23. Squiby

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    Three things came together to create a vapor that is completely non irritating to my throat and lungs. No wheezing, no sore throat.

    First, I discovered the Vapcap. I have several now and they have become the ONLY vapes I use. All others sit quietly ignored in a closet. It is a tiny cigarette sized, super efficient, beautifully designed modular vaporizer. Choose a Titanium tipped model for durability and endless choices for modular customization. This unit creates the smoothest non irritating vapor of any I've tried. Simple, beautiful, efficient.

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    Second, I discovered the mouthpull technique from @natural farmer. Instead of sucking vapor directly into your lungs as you toke, puff on it like a cigarette. Pull the vapor first into your mouth like you are sucking on the straw from a thick milkshake. Keep the carb covered as you mouth fills with vapor. Then at the end of your draw either lift/finger the carb or simply open your mouth to bring in fresh air as you inhale the vapor.

    This cuts down on lung irritation to a great degree and smoothes out and cools the vapor. Very nice!

    And finally, this takes it over the top. I add a degummed hemp fiber filter to my bowl. I just wind a bit of fiber round and round between my thumb and index finger to form a flat disk. It will stop any tiny particles from being inhaled and it keeps your vape airpath very clean for a long long time.

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    I am a severe asthmatic and these have refined my sessions to the degree that I experience absolutely zero irritation or wheezing. I highly recommend this to anyone with chest congestion or has sensitive lungs.
     
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  24. herbivore21

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    It seems to me you might have the wrong part of the website to be posting in then? I am one who has no illusions about vaping being 100% safe - but edibles are just not useful for my medical needs.

    I need medical relief from distressing symptoms ASAP when they appear, not several hours later! I also don't need the anxiety and overwhelming psychoactivity that any noteworthy amount of delta-11 THC (what you get when THC goes through the acid pit that is your stomach!) causes me.

    Vaping has obvious benefits medically speaking (speed of delivery, elimination of PAH's vs smoking, more comfortable psychoactivity due to no THC decomposing in the gut and becoming Delta-11 THC etc) and yes, there can be downsides (especially in the case of those who huff on flowers all day, everyday at high temps through convection or high-restriction vaporizers - that's gonna involve some serious congestion, throat/lung irritation and headaches and will make for a less productive user IME!). However medicine is about treating the symptoms with a measure that may or may not have unwanted side effects - the important thing is that on balance, you are improving your health more than detracting from it and the side effects are tolerable/do not exacerbate your condition. This is why I suggest that vaping small amounts of safe, quality concentrate is preferable to large amounts of flower. Less stuff that isn't oxygen going into your lungs for the same effect!

    If you are a recreational user, that's a different discussion of course, it'll help to use moderation to avoid any issues with throat and lungs but I have learned that moderating your vapor intake does not necessarily mean moderating your dosage :2c:
     
  25. OldNewbie

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    I think another advantage is titration. It is easier to take the amount needed by vaping (Or, smoking.) than by eating because of the speed of the feedback. With edibles, either one is very experienced with replicable product or takes the risk of over or under medicating.
     
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