Healthy Rips FIERCE

Here is what I've read:
"A study from the University of Chicago in June of 1989 found that any THC inhaled into the lungs is absorbed into the bloodstream almost instantaneously. So in other words the time that it takes you to inhale deeply and then exhale is more than enough to get the chemical into your body. Holding your breath only actually deprives your brain of oxygen, making you feel light-headed and this lack of oxygen is what many confuse for the effects of getting higher. "

 

Im debating even going for another one...if this turns into a fiasco like the 3 previous units (Digi Volcano, Terra, Grasshopper) I think im going to stay with my Mighty cause staying at 380°F 3 dosing capsules at the 7:30 second session timer left it at less than half life (when plugged baxk in was restoring/flashing 3 bars)

Me and a fellow FC member were going to Record our Skype to show were both doing the same thing) cause in his 3 capsules he was only restoring/flashing 2 bars and said it went up to 3 bars within 10 minutes as mine took 14 minutes under the approximate ~90 minute charge to go back to full while he counted 33:53 so 34 mins from a bit under 1 bar to full. I don't like the smell of the situation (play on words to the actual smell =p)

If you read in my original message I stated that is was not to "Get me higher...on the exhale, sometimes I get a distinct terpy taste"

I said that as to not have this dispute spread like the cancer it is to each and every thread on EVERY Vaporization Forum and I don't think anyone's wrong or right here, its just a tread devoted to the Fierce Vaporization Unit.

 

Pro tip: If you hit the up button at the end of your draw the temp updates and you can see how much you cooled the heater down. Like a poor man's Mighty.

 

Hi! Here is the partial email that we sent to this client (personal information removed):
"We completely understand your concern. We have had thousands of our FURY and FURY 2 units out in our client's hands for 18 months plus, and have had less than a 1% defect rate. Our FIERCE is a brand new release that is an elaboration and improvement on our reliable FURY 2 platform. Although we have tested our FIERCE extensively for several months - we did not run into the issue you are describing. Once we have your defective unit back - we will be able to determine exactly what caused the defect. This will help us determine whether there is an underlying issue or simply an assembly error. Either way - we will take whatever measures needed to correct this issue - no worries."

We are confident that our FIERCE will be known to be as reliable as our FURY and FURY 2. If you have an issue with your FIERCE, no worries! Simply contact us right away: healthyrips@gmail.com - we always take care of our clients .

We are here for you!
Healthy Rips Team
https://www.healthyrips.com

 

First off, IMO under one percent is outstanding. Pretty clear evidence you know what you're doing with those products. Workmanship errors alone (not including component failure) can easily exceed that. Kudos to the assembly/test/QC folks.

For sure the whole thing hinges on RCAs (Root Cause Analysis of each failure) so that information can be 'fed back' into the manufacturing process. Not just exactly what went wrong, but why. I have some considerable experience in such exercises from a misspent youth. Specific details are critical if you want to drive the return numbers down to fit that curve. "In service failures" can be the hairiest of all, especially infant failures like these. Washing machines, cars, vapes even people follow this rule. Under normal conditions if an individual unit survives the first bit of life, it's probably good for the long haul. For sure the average one is. The curve plot shows a sharp drop in failures, followed by a fairly flat area and only rising again in aging.

That is if a newborn survives the first few years he can expect to live a normal lifetime. A car that finally gets all the bugs/defects from the factory sorted out will probably go 100,000 miles and so on.

For sure the HR folks know this well and have the traditional defense in place (or so it seems) so this is more a bit of rambling on the topic for those interested in how such things play out. Rest assured, many otherwise good companies 'went down' because a single product failed too often........some of those companies even had the poor judgement to employ me.

Importantly HR is backing us up here, worst case is a delay/inconvenience for us? Our job is to enjoy FIERCE and test it with lots and lots of sessions. All for the cause you know.

Regards to all.

OF

 

I think the fact that HR promptly and courteously responds to their own support email and herein pretty much sums it up - great customer service and they make great products. It's wonderful they're part of the online community. Less than 1% is fantastic and a testament to their engineering and quality control.

@Azn2101 & @Cosmic Dude Totally cool and I have no gripes or argumentative points. All is good. May the buzz be with you. And everyone...

Hope everyone, well mostly everyone, is enjoying their new Fierce!

 

You may be the first, but you are not alone. My Fierce just turned into a brick this morning. I am as displeased now as I was when I heard about the repeated production delays. I got a note from HR customer service very promptly in reply to my freaked out missive. I sent it back this afternoon. So sad this is my first post here on FC and it has to be this bad news.

 

Hmm, interesting. @OF makes very good points though (in much more sofisticated terms than i'll put them in lol). All v1.0's have a much higher chance of running into problems for obvious reasons and the fact that there has been so much hype and only 3 known faulty units means Healthy Rips are on top of their goals:
-Staying Dynamic and Innovative instead of sitting back and admiring their work
-Upfront and responsive to the public communities & forums
-Genuine, and I mean no doubt, Genuinely Amazing CS
-Maybe the most important, Their devices rate very high in terms of vapor production and great flavor (even if it dissipates a bit quickly in the F2)

I think anyone who rode the Tera roller coaster or is still on the Grasshopper train will understand the knotting of your stomach at the sight of the Fierce, a unit that had a longer "Testing Phase" than some companies take to design, tweak, test, manufacture, and market their products, and was supposed to match the Mighty in "Ease of use, Portability, Durability, and Vapor Production" turn into a black brick brings back all the memories of the waiting turned excitement, turned depression that then repeated itself until I was no longer "excited" to see the tracking # that meant i'd be seeing it soon (my hopler is in for the its 4th trip). Im not saying because my Fierce Bricked that their a Bad, Bad company or that they're "A main stream off brand" as said because they sold the F2 design to the manufacturer, infact they have just as much potential if not more than the 2 or 3 War chest companies, I just don't want to wait for them to iron out all the details and specifications to as close to perfection that the technologies will get them (again I have no doubt about their ambition to grow in the industry side and community angle.)

Similar to @BornAgainSteama, I might start selling off all my "unique situation" vapes or ones that dont make the cut for any form of effecient usage because if HR's having trouble meeting the standards that I WANT in a vaporizer than it'll be extremely difficult for the other Top tier companies to meet them. This logic would apply vice verse to the Mighty if the Fury/F2 & Fierce had been made years before, I just had my standards set high already because I own a lot of the vaporizers that experienced & knowledgeable people commonly compared the Fierce to (not by name but it was no secret they were aiming to knock off S&B's Mighty at the #1 spot and bypass the Airizer co. altogether cause if its comparable to the Mighty the only vape in their arsenal that comes close is the Solo/2)

Im all for the little guy, the underdog (not the log but im sure its good too) and I think they make better work because they're too small to make mistakes and if I decide to keep the Fierce than it will be the last vape bought from a Company because after the decision one way or the other i'll be going through Mr. Morrison. I wish you all the best of luck with your Fierces and wish me luck too, if I decide to keep it , but, Luck me up anyways

For The Record!: HR's Fierce is a GREAT PRODUCT, it has amazing flavor, very efficient with material, fits like a glove in your hand, Hybrid heating without toasting the oven, and cool vapor from both stock mouthpieces. My concern lies with the CHANCES of a reoccuring problem that would/could require constant upkeep, constant monitoring, having to be very precise about the tempature ect. or risk shitdown and a factory vacation for that unit, not the functionality of the Fierce itself.

Sorry for the long post but I felt the need to be clear.

Azn2101

 

Yep, exactly what happened with me. @HealthyRips.com was super chill about it though, I shipped mine back yesterday and have high hopes for my return unit.

 

I'm doing some real soul searching and honestly asking myself if I can do another Tera-like situation. I've posted enough extensive opinions and personal feelings so i'll just say the thing I like the most about the Fierce is actually the dosing capsules system; S&B's capsules are just as good but function differently and I prefer the Fierce caps in the Fierce more than I enjoy S&B caps in a Mighty. Yes S&B are pretty much universal and fit in so many brands but I like that the fierce allows for room for the capsule to lift up and it's kind of like a draw speed gauge based off sound and no matter how hard you pull thru the native mp the capsule sucks up against the screen perfectly so all the air still passes thru the capsule. I did decide to start going through my rafters and pulling out boxes from when we moved. Anyone need Solo stems lol

 

It seems kinda dramatic to use the worst (and most costly) launch ever in the history of vapes as a barometer for how this product launch will go. HR is a completely different company than Boundless and there is just no reason to believe there are any widespread problems with the Fierce.

My Fierce has about 10g through it with no hiccups so far.

 

I think this may deserve its own thread...

 

I have been vaping with the Fierce for a few days now.
The vapor production is great!
This is a vaporizer that feels right for those who wish a more solid feel in the hand, and who want to spend a long day (and evening) away from home with vaping being the center of activities.
The changeable battery makes it easy to "keep on vaping".
The unit works as flawlessly as the predecessor the Fury 2, but with juice to spare.
The convection flavor is wonderful.

Mine has gone through more than that, also without any issue.
If you like a solid feel, the Fierce won't let you down.

 

Indeed, I have found one or two studies have found that THC uptake was not significantly impacted by breath hold duration but here is one that contradicts this....I don't think any of these studies are conclusive and we need real, reproduced research, IMO.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...f_varying_puff_volume_and_breathhold_duration

Two studies were conducted to quantify biological and behavioral effects resulting from exposure to controlled doses of marijuana smoke. In one study, puff volume (30, 60 and 90 ml) and in a second study, breathhold duration (0, 10 and 20 sec) were systematically varied while holding constant other smoking topography parameters (number of puffs = 10, interpuff interval = 60 sec and inhalation volume = 25% of vital capacity). Each study also varied levels of delta 9-tetrahydro-cannabinol marijuana cigarette content (1.75% and 3.55%). Regular marijuana users served as subjects (n = 7 in each experiment). Subjects smoked 10 puffs in each of six sessions; a seventh, nonsmoking session (all measures recorded at the same times as in active smoking sessions) served as a control. Variations in puff volume produced significant dose-related changes in postsmoking plasma delta 9-tetrahydro-cannabinol levels, carbon monoxide boost and subjective effects (e.g., "high"). In contrast, breathholding for 10 or 20 sec versus 0 sec increased plasma delta 9-tetrahydro-cannabinol levels but not CO boost or subjective effects. Task performance measures were not reliably influenced by marijuana smoke exposure within the dosing ranges examined. These findings confirm the utility of the controlled smoking technology, support the notion that cumulative puff volume systematically influences biological exposure and subjective effects, but cast doubt on the common belief that prolonged breathholding of marijuana smoke enhances classical subjective effects associated with its reinforcing value in humans.
Marijuana smoking: Effects of varying puff volume and breathhold duration | Request PDF. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...f_varying_puff_volume_and_breathhold_duration [accessed Oct 12 2018].​

 

I couldn’t resist, and made the thread:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/t...r-in-the-history-of-vapes.34459/#post-1314680

 

If you read the message above that I stated the reason why, it has nothing to do with the actual unit itself just the situation that it put me in. I think its childish to say "Well did have to go through the Tera and Hopper situation? Cause I did and yada yada". I wanted to make it was as clear as possible that that HR's 1% is because their business model is a good one that has an over all rating of over 4.5+ of 5 stars. They've been kind even in my freak out moment and in CS Emails and if you felt I was coming down on HR im sorry, that was not and is not my intention. I added the ending after everything was said and done to keep it fresh on your mind cause again I made a lot of opinionated statments that have nothing to do ,on a factual basis, with HR as a company, just my personal experience with the Fierce, and The situation it put me in, nothing to do with the HR. Yes, I understand I took this risk knowing that the sitation could arise but sometimes our basic human instinct takes over "I like vaporizers, i liked the F2, why wouldn't I like the Fierce if it is just a 33& larger chamber with Upgraded specs, HELL YA im gonna like it!" But just as another person parted with his because of the smell, it had nothing to do with the unit, it just didnt stop smelling. Nothing to do with preformance. As simalir in my case, I personally, Do Not want the risk of playing hot potato with another $200+ unit back in repeatedly. Its the Holliday season and most people are strapped for cash so the "Soul Searching" may not have to do with "will I keep the fierce because of its power amung other vaporizers in my collection" but rather "Damn Im low on cash and this might be a good way to come up with some money that will inevitably be used for Christmas"

All I can say at this point is i'm happy this happened cause it gave me the push needed to start parting with old/outdated units and stick to a few great ones.

 

When I owned the Fury 2 I used the bubbler once and the bent glass piece almost every time.

The last few days I have used the Fierce bubbler nearly every time and the bent glass piece just a few.

The bubbler on the Fury 2 was cute just not for me.
On the Fierce it works well and the mouth feel (lips) is better for me than the other options (both plastic and glass). The Bubbler for the Fierce is nice, don't usually like these types of things other than as a novelty. This one I will use.
There is nothing wrong with the Fierce's bent glass, functions fine. The lip feel isn't as nice for me because of the size of the tube. I like bent glass tubes and use them with all of my other convection devices. I will be seeking, in the future, a bent glass piece for this that tapers down to a smaller diameter at the mouth.

 

I think the 18mm Fatter Dynavap MP would fit over it but It might not feel right.

Edit: the Silicone add-on piece for like $2.

 

My first 2 times using the Fierce bubbler for me was a disaster. I really do like using the bubbler and it really makes the vapor much more comfortable than any of my other vapes.

The first time I tried the bubbler I was already pretty medicated (my first mistake) I burned the heck out of my finger trying to unload it. Ouch!!

The 2nd time I waited until it was cool (yes I learn from my mistakes) but I ended up spilling bubbler water all over my shirt and lap after 3 loads. Let's just say that the Bubbler water smelled pretty bad. I have had no mishaps since then and last night my mistakes didn’t get the better of me.

What is the best way to clean the Fierce bubbler?

At this point, I am very happy with my Fierce.

 

You can use it with a drop of rezblock, or cranberry extract to make cleaning easier, read about the pros and cons of this at http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/rezblock-cranberry-extract.8060/
I clean this bubbler with 91% Iso..... with severe shaking and agitation....
followed by a hot water/dish soap shaking, then a good hot water rinse.
I follow that routine up with a Shopvac placed at each end as I pulse my hand over the other opening to get all the moisture out....
The bubbler should be squeaky clean after that, and ready for more action.

 

Ok silly thing I did.

Instead of filling the glass stem with herb I filled the capsule. Then I just dropped the bubbler down on top of it. So it rests on top of the capsule not in the oven. Still got lots of vapor.

 

Is it already know when the Fierce will hit european distributors?

 

I don't see why this is particularly silly, you are still drawing down through the same vapour pathway. I have been considering doing the same thing with bent glass to get the bigger bowl size if I wanna get hiiiiiiiigh.

 

OK, now that is what I was waiting to hear.

I don't like filling glass tubes. I like to toss a bud or some chucks into the metal heating chamber and snap the mouthpiece on.

So, I can do that with the Fierce glass mouthpiece?

 

OMG, you are a genius I just tried that with the bubbler and it works so well. I can just prefill 5 capsules and I'm good for the night to just Netflix and chill. Thank you for the pro tip.