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Healthy Rips FIERCE vs. Mighty or Solo 2?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by LambsBreath, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. LambsBreath

    LambsBreath Active Member

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    Considering a Fierce and need advise!

    I'd like to know if anyone has a Fierce and also a Mighty, Crafty or Solo 2, and how does it compare to those models? (I'm especially concerned with vapor production and draw resistance)

    Here's an explanation of my recent foray into herb vapes...

    I currently have a Solo 2, bought it after trying a Boundless Tera v2.
    The Tera got returned because of too high airflow resistance, to get good vapor I had to take really long (too long for me) direct-to-lung hits.

    I like a lot of things about the Solo 2, the best one I've had so far... however a friend recently bought a Mighty and after trying it a few times it delivered better flavor and cooler vapor with the stock mouthpiece compared to the Solo 2. I do have several different stems for the Solo2, including a Long black curved, 3D Flow and long bubbler, some of those do cool the vapor, but the vapor from the Mighty was enjoyable to the point of me considering buying one, however the Mighty is a bit over my budget, and I really dislike the totally awkward feeling in the hand when using it.

    Another thing I really like about the Mighty is its open airflow, the Solo is less restrictive than the Tera but still has noticeably more resistance and requires longer pulls than the Mighty.

    I briefly looked at the Crafty, however I don't think I can have a vape without on-board temp controls. I'm usually all over the range with these things and I feel using my phone for the controls will be a major inconvenience, especially for a portable. It may not be so bad in actual use if I tried it, so it's till under consideration, but I admit I haven't researched to see if the Crafty has the same vapor quality and low draw resistance as the Mighty.

    Some things I like looking at the Fierce is its small size, removable batteries and different mouthpiece/stem options. Also the metal construction that's said to be solid feeling (like the Solo 2) Trying to decide on this as I only have a few days left to return the Solo 2 for credit towards a Fierce.

    Thanks in advance to all who reply!
     
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  2. bossman

    bossman Gentleman Of Leisure

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    I'd return the Solo II for the Fierce.

    The Mighty draw resistance is great and it extracts well at low temps producing lots of vapor and then hitting a wall where vapor production quits. The cooling unit (i.e. the removable top part) is annoying to clean and the plastic airpath is bullshit. I also don't care for proprietary chargers.

    The Fierce dome screens make the airflow comparable and the Fierce is more viable at a range of higher temps. The glass accessories offer more versatility. That plus the swappable battery, USB C charging, and the significantly lower price make it the better value.

    I gave my Solo II to a friend once I got the Fierce. Liked the battery life and glass airpath but didn't care for the draw resistance.
     
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  3. LambsBreath

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    Thanks for the input! Also your posts in the FIERCE thread have been helpful as well!

    Something discouraging I found in the FIERCE thread was the head to head comparison (by OF) between the Fury2 and Fierce, showing the Fury2 leaves the Fierce "in the dust" in a "race to vapor" (with the Fierce taking about 3 minutes to get fully rolling) Maybe I'm impatient but to me 3 minutes seems like a long time to get vaping.

    Also in the FIERCE thread HR stated: "Please keep in mind that our FIERCE has been designed for more convection heating and will require a longer draw (10-15 seconds) to get the hot air (convection) to move throughout your material, especially on your first draw. Our FIERCE will give you equal or better vapor production than our FURY 2 once the convection heating 'kicks in'. Our FIERCE is designed to be more of a session vaporizer with the power to replace a plug-in unit or for sharing with multiple people in a group setting"

    10 to 15 second draws to get good vapor?? Sounds like the Tera v2 I had to return for basically that reason. Even a 10 second draw feels too long and uncomfortable to me. I just timed some draws on my Solo2 and 4-5 seconds seems about normal, 6-7 seconds being about the maximum for me.

    These points made me wonder if the Fury2 would be better suited for me, however I've read it's using more conduction and less convection, plus I'm not sure I could pass on the other upgraded features and solid build of the Fierce.


    Also I'm confused on how the Fierce is loaded? I thought you load the heating chamber not the stem, but in the thread I see people using domed screens in the glass stem that looks just like the Solo stem where you load into the base of the stem.
     
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  4. arb

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    Those are different types of mouthpieces..........
     
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  5. LambsBreath

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    Thanks, I see now apparently it works that way for all of the glass pieces (I couldn't see it clearly on PIU but looking now on HR's site I see the built in glass screens in the ends of all the glass pieces)

    I guess you load directly into the oven only when using the black mouthpiece.

    If I go with this I'd get the curved glass and H2O mouthpieces and a WPA, so I assume I'll be loading this just like the solo.

    One small quirk I dislike about the Solo it the (curved) mouthpiece swivels around too easy when it's hot.
     
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  6. CANtalk

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    I've been using a Crafty as my primary vape for a few years and it's been a champ. A friend has owned the Crafty and now has the Mighty (for about 4 years total); both have been reliable in use (but not daily use) and have similar feel/ draws and production. The added battery in the the Mighty is very nice if you do a number of sessions as the battery lasts notably longer.

    We've tried a few friend's vapes and vice versa and the Mighty/Crafty typically rate at the top. I find it easy and simple to clean using hot ISO and soaking/swishing. I've had to change a few silicone seals (still on the original top cooling unit), otherwise that's it and replacement parts are easy to find locally. I've taken apart another Crafty and was able to source a replacement battery for it locally (it's a model number that a few local battery specialty stores can easily handle, and they can even build it with the wiring harness attachment. I had them make me a spare battery and it's waiting for when the one in my Crafty dies.

    I don't mind the off-board heating adjustment of the Crafty. It's pre-programmed with two different heat settings that worked fine for me and I've never even bothered changing them in the phone/computer app. YMMV. I've come to enjoy the two step heating method for flower and do that all the time now. The Mighty vape is very similar to the Crafty but with a two battery setup (double) and near double run time. While the Crafty can be plugged into a powered USB (which can be nice, especially for some people) the Mighty is a dedicated wall charger.

    At this time I expect to stick with a Crafty or Mighty as my portable vape. They do what I want in a portable vape very very well; they're easy and quick to use, load, unload and clean, plus they have been primary vape reliable for us. My friends is a total fan of his Mighty. The ghost MV1 looks great but it's definitely much more of a hassle to loadl/unload, they need to strengthen the swing door, etc.

    It's early times with the Fierce but it looks nice. The loading isn't as optimal, Sneak Pete recommends using a funnel, but some parts of it are definitely appealing. One review mentions the Mighty does better in healthy rips fwtw.

    This holiday season I upgraded to a premium desktop vape after a bunch of research and reading. It's great and the portable Crafty is now relegated to the odd time I want portable use. It's so nice to not worry about battery charge levels and charging. An a desktop vape can essentially be run with unlimited on-time without any penalty (wearing out batteries). The desktop also has even lower draw resistance and notably better heating and vapor production. I still do a two step heating method for vaping flower :).

    Hope that helps. Cheers and GL with the decision
     
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  7. LambsBreath

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    Thanks for the helpful reply!
    On the Crafty I assume for the two different heat settings you're referring to the regular setting and the Boost setting. I'm not familiar with your 2-step method, but one thing I usually do is raise the temp towards the end of a load to try to ensure it's fully extracted, by then it's starting to taste like burnt popcorn anyhow. I figure the S&B boost feature would be useful for doing that (and probably what its designed for?)

    Although I do often find myself adjusting the temp for different strains, moisture levels, load quantity, grind and packing, I suppose I could be okay with a 2-temp only control once I get really familiarized with a device and get all the variables under control. I try to keep everything in my stash at 58% with the Boveda's.

    Someday I will try a desktop vape, at one point I was considering the S&B Plenty, I'm actually only using the vape around the house, not taking it on the road, however I move around A LOT and sometimes I'll use it outdoors.

    The more time I spend with the Solo 2 the more I like it, it's a very solid, versatile, great performing device. It will be hard to give up, but I'm ready to try something else. The Fierce looks real good, I agree it's early times but the curiosity is killing me!

    Fierce or Crafty over the Solo 2... a very tough decision!
     
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  8. CANtalk

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    Yes, the two step heating method is analogous to using the boost mode. And the factory settings were great in my experience. My friend with his Mighty plays with the temp settings and I've tried it that way many times, but it felt/performed similarly enough to the stock Crafty settings to make me not care which one I had. I found no need to adjust temps, YMMV. I was doing this historically with dry flower, but I'm now using mason jars and bovedas and it's a no brainer difference for sure, really happy I did this. But so far I have not been adjusting the temps in my vapes between dry and well stored moist flower.

    For me in a primary portable vape I want best quality vapor and ease of use since it will be used very often. Quality and durability is important to me as well. The Crafty and Mighty vapes deliver well in all these areas. It's among the easiest to use, reload and use again, day to day. I prefer proven to new unless it's a newly released vape from a proven manufacturer. The Fierce is interesting to me, I'll keep an eye out on reviews over the next year or two.

    Other people have different priorities and often there's another vape that they prefer for specific reasons. So hopefully the added feedback in my decision making gives helpful context.

    Still other people like to also jump on to one of the many new portable evape releases happening it seems monthly now.

    There are lots of options and choices out there in the portable evape market which is great.

    The desktop evape showed me how much I was compromising with a portable evape (even a premium one). I recently got the VapeXhale EVO. Even with just four days use, I'm totally converted already, haha.

    If ur in Canada here's a great deal I saw on Reddit for a Mighty. (no affiliation)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianMO...ghty_vaporizer_by_storz_and_bickel_for_36070/

    Cheers and GL
     
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  9. bossman

    bossman Gentleman Of Leisure

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    One thing to be aware of: HR is adjusting the glass accessories to make the chamber slightly smaller and keep the load more completely inserted into the heater to improve speedy vapor production. They sent me some dome screens and the draw resistance was improved. I'll be tempted to keep a screen in there with the new stems to keep the air flowing like this.

    The Mighty does more readily produce plenty of vapor at surprisingly low temps.

    The Fury 2 is awesome, it just has a smaller bowl and short battery life. Plus the flavor and vapor quality are still better with glass and the bowls in the wpa and glass stem are even smaller.

    Now that the draw resistance is pretty comparable I enjoy the Fierce because I feel like I'm able to take more hits from a range of temps on a bowl. The glass provides good cooling and decent flavor too.
     
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  10. LambsBreath

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    Thanks for posting your point of view on the S&B vapes, I agree and by logic I should at least get the crafty, my friend is in love with his Mighty too!


    Thanks, this is important information I didn't know about, I agree about the screen mod working even in the re-designed stems (compared to your having herb against those 4 little holes)


    Crafty or Fierce?

    Price and reputation... Price will be similar with attachments, S&B has the reputation, however I really like how HR is listening and responding to concerns raised in the their product threads here.

    Vapor production, flavor and draw resistance should be pretty close from what I'm reading so far.
    The Crafty may have higher maintenance with the cooling unit cleanings, but offer cooler vapor.

    On board controls:...................Fierce YES....Crafty NO
    Swappable battery:..................Fierce YES....Crafty NO
    Plastic in vapor path:................Fierce NO.....Crafty YES
    Highest temperature.................Fierce 430f...Crafty 410f
    Warranty.................................Fierce 1st year free replace/lifetime 1/2 price replacement....Crafty 2 yrs.


    Normally I would have decided on the Fierce long ago because of it's features, but the Crafty is still under serious consideration due to S&B's long reputation and many reviews that show it's a solid performer.

    At this point I'm looking for something that will sway me one direction or the other, because right now I'm dead center on the fence between these two!
     
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  11. arb

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    Just get both.........you will eventually so why not save some flailing about.
     
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  12. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    I don't have a Fierce but I have a Fury 2. I tried Air/Solo a couple of times.
    @LambsBreath you should state if you still like better Solo or Mighty's bowl size.
    That imho is crucial to know which vape to get.
     
  13. LambsBreath

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    Right now I'm between the Crafty and Fierce, my reasoning is the Crafty will perform equal to the Mighty as far as vapor production, taste and draw resistance. I really don't like the size and ergonomics of the mighty and it's a bit above my budget atm.

    I'm fine with the load size of the Solo2 but it is a bit small, I always find myself loading at least twice for a sesh. I haven't actually measured but I've read it's less than 0.15g. It loads into the glass stem and although I haven't tried it, the chamber size can be further reduced using a domed screen. From what I've been reading the Fierce's load size can be effectively reduced in exactly the same manner if using the glass stems.

    Apparently the Fierce, Crafty and mighty all have about the same bowl size (Crafty & Mighty both list 1.4 cm³ Filling Chamber) I've read the Crafty holds .25g to .3g, The Fierce's Chamber Capacity is .25g to .29g

    I've also read the Mighty and Crafty's load size can be effectively reduced by placing the concentrate pad over the smaller load, no change in vapor and keeps the cooling unit clean as an added benefit.
     
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  14. bossman

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    The crafty doesn't even have a screen, right? I understand they wanted to make a Mighty junior of sorts but design-wise it's like they are ten years behind the times.

    It's a good point that you bring up about the reputation but part of that is them just being around forever. Not all of it but not none of it either.

    Both have viable dosing capsules so that's a push.
     
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  15. LambsBreath

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    @bossman I'm pretty sure the Crafty and Mighty both have the same screen arrangement, a fine screen in the bottom of the oven, and a coarse screen at the CU inlet.



    I mailed out the Solo2 for return today, it was kind of tough to part with! I'll bet not many buyers returned one of those! Now I have to make a decision fairly quick since I'm without a vape!

    I've been trying to read through the large Crafty thread, I'm surprised at how many reported their unit died, seems for most the battery was the culprit, but a lot had the fuse failure issue.

    Something else I just discovered about the Crafty and again I'm surprised, it's actually NOT all that small and portable! It's basically the same size as the Solo 2 (which is too big to be considered truly portable) And the Crafty is about 1/2 inch wider than the Solo!

    Noticed this first when I saw a photo of them together, then I checked the specs...

    Crafty
    Height 4.3 in / 11.0 cm
    Width 2.2 in / 5.7 cm
    Depth 1.3 in / 3.3 cm

    Solo 2
    Height 4.5 in / 11.4 cm
    Width 1.75 in / 4.5 cm
    Depth 1.38 in / 3.5 cm (at top)


    Weight: The Solo 2 is nearly twice the weight of the Crafty.

    The height and width of the Crafty is only about 1 inch less than the Mighty.
     
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  16. bossman

    bossman Gentleman Of Leisure

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    Sorry, I meant it to say that the Crafty lacks basic interface features like a display and temp controls. Stating the obvious and yet still being vague, sorry.
     
  17. LambsBreath

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    Haha, no problem, I feel kinda dumb now...display/screen, I should have known!

    When I first glanced at the Crafty I wrote it off completely because of the lack of an on-board display and controls, but I think I'm nearly over that now and willing to at least try it out.


    I'm currently getting put off by the Crafty's rather large size, but for me the Mighty is totally awkward to hold when in use.

    However, after some serious thinking last night I've come to the conclusion I should get a Crafty or Mighty if for no other reason....FLAVOR. I've read countless statements that flavor with a Crafty/Mighty is above average and better than most, and reportedly that good flavor is more consistent throughout a session.

    I'm relatively new to herb vaping and only vaping part-time, I'm still blazing and I'm trying to find a vape that will end that altogether, but one thing I do like about smoking is the flavors. I do like the different type of flavor that a vape produces, but for the ones I've used so far I'm only getting that great flavor on the first 1 or 2 pulls, or with the temp so low the vapor is very thin or invisible. At normal temps the the flavor diminishes through the remainder of a session until it reaches the burnt popcorn stage. Maybe this is just how it is with herb vaping?

    The reason I wanted on-board controls was to change temps on the fly, because I'm still experimenting with temps vs flavor. But with the Crafty I suppose I can do the Bluetooth thing for a while to get the settings dialed in to my preferences.

    So I think flavor is going to rise above the lack of other features and size, those things I may be able to work around, but I'd like to experience the best of the best as far as flavor goes in a portable vape.

    Thoughts anyone?


    I already miss my Solo2!
     
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  18. arb

    arb Well-Known Member

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    Well if flavor is what you want you fucked up returning the solo...........lolz.
     
  19. LambsBreath

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    Haha:doh: interesting, yes the Solo does produce good flavor, but is it better than a Crafty/Mighty? I haven't read any feedback that supports this, but maybe it's been reported to be about equal in flavor? I can somewhat attest to that (read below) But I suppose there are variables that could affect taste on one or the other.

    Also that's not what I've found in my own experience, although the Solo had decent flavor the Mighty seemed a step up in that department. as I stated previously my friend recently got a Mighty and I was able to compare them, and it did seem to have better flavor throughout the session compared to the Solo 2.

    If all else fails I will go back to a Solo 2, although I'll lose some money because I got it on a black Friday deal.
     
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  20. bossman

    bossman Gentleman Of Leisure

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    I've never used a Crafty but I don't think of my Mighty as having better flavor than the Fierce. In use the biggest difference between them is how they feel and perform at different temps.

    I pretty much always adjust temps during a session with any session vape. With the Mighty this typically means starting low and then bumping up to a medium temp. I keep my Mighty on Celsius just to feel like a dumbass and when I do the conversion it appears I'm starting my session at 338°F and ending around 380°. It's important to note that the Mighty just gushes vapor at these low temps.

    I think some of the Mighty's hype train comes from how readily it produces dense vapor. That said, I like to temp step and the Mighty is quirky in this regard: I can enjoy great vapor production for a time at uncommonly low temps, and then I can bump up to something in the 380 to 390° range and get a last hurrah but then vapor production just hits a wall and stops almost entirely.

    The easy vapor is a big selling point and I can totally see my Mighty being a top choice for sharing since it's idiot proof and will ship some clouds your way no matter your sensitivity, lung capacity, or draw technique.

    The Fierce is its own animal. Using glass it's more like a Solo with a bigger bowl and better draw resistance. That alone made it a keeper for me since the draw resistance was one of my only niggles with the Solo II. The black mouthpiece does cost some flavor but brings more portability and convenience ultimately making it more versatile.

    Again, I'm sure the Crafty deserves its solid reputation. I'm more saying that the Fierce and Mighty are different and I don't see one as superior to the other. I like to start cooler now with the Fierce, something the Mighty taught me. And no, the clouds aren't as thick at the crazy low temps the Mighty manages (338°?? I mean what the fuck?!). But then the Fierce is still cool enough to vape way into the 400+ range. I even use it maxed out without water sometimes and I can slide the glass accessories out of the chamber between hits to approximate an on demand experience.

    And honestly I don't find either to compare with on demand convection vapes for flavor. If anything the Mighty feels more like a conduction vape to me. I think the aluminum dosing capsules contribute to that because they heat up so quickly.
     
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  21. LambsBreath

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    @bossman thanks for another very helpful reply!

    Despite it's awkward grip, I probably need to consider getting a Mighty instead of Crafty because I got pretty much spoiled by the Solo2's battery life, also the Crafty isn't as small as I thought.

    Then sometime down the road I could get the Fierce for a more portable unit, by then HR should have any bugs worked out, or upgraded versions released. The Fierce looks really compact and discrete.

    Just curious, when getting that great vapor from the Mighty at low temps, are you using a dosing capsule?

    Also, you're saying that on demand convection vapes have better flavor than these session vapes? Interesting... on-demand means it's not heating unless you're holding in the button, correct? I assume flavor is preserved because you're not continuously baking the herbs?

    That's how my DC GEN2/Pico setup works, but it's 100% conduction.

    Which on-demand convection models do you recommend?

    Edit: Just noticed the Firefly 2 is on-demand, and it was said to have better flavor, and smoother/cooler vapor than Mighty/Crafty. However it also was said to be finicky as far as load/grind/pack to get consistent results (and requires stirring).
     
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  22. bossman

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    Yeah, fuck a Firefly 2 though. I haven't tried one so don't take my advice but so many owners I've come across have sold them and complained about the fussy stuff.

    My vapes are listed in my profile. The convection portables are a Splinters, a Lil Bud, and a Tubo X. I love all of them and rate their flavor above the session vapes I've tried. I'd probably vote for the Splinter to start with because it works so well and costs so little. Even using the simplest wattage settings on a modest box mod the performance is undeniable.
     
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  23. LambsBreath

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    Again thanks for the enlightenment, this is major revelation for me! After being disappointed with the DC GEN2 I totally wrote off 510 herb tanks, thought they were all conduction and crap!

    Looked at the Splinters and also the Stempod, I assume these would work on my Pico 75w mod (It does have temp control mode) Looks like you load into the stem like the Solo, except there's a rimmed metal screen in place.

    You mentioned the splinter "costs so little" but I'm seeing $159-$179 for these? That seems pricey to me for a 510 attachment, $200+ after adding the cost of a decent box mod. But since I already have a mod I really should try one of these!

    I do see there's a v1 pre-order for $109 ($114 shipped) is that's the best deal currently for me to try a Splinter? From what I've read I should also get an XL8R jr stem but it's out of stock.

    The Stempod is about $135 shipped.
    Also a feature of the Stempod:

    ** Dual adjustable airflow vents to Modify vapor density from restrictive to wide open or anything in between **
     
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  24. bossman

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    Yeah, the Splinter v1 is the one I had in mind. It's rbt's first mass-produced vape and that'll bring the price down. To be fair nobody has them yet so we don't know in what ways they're different from the hand-made ones. I'm keen to find out.

    I don't have a stempod but they're well-liked here from what I've seen. A dude on YouTube compares it to the Splinter and I think he liked the Splinter a bit better but he was just using wattage mode and seemed pretty unfamiliar compared to the folks on the respective threads here.

    Using wattage mode you can try any old mod. Folks who want TC mode will get mods that support whatever software they want to run.
     
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  25. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    I use a SOLO still and it’s not the best.
    It’s cheap and work’s in da garden.

    CANNABIS is more interesting than any vaporizer in my view?

    My SOLO will not die?

    I like a plug-in da best 4 me!

    What is function of WOOD ?
    Marketing?
    Bling?
     

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