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Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by Mookie0608, May 15, 2018.

  1. Mookie0608

    Mookie0608 Active Member

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    Hey, I’m new to medical marijuana and, and done some experimenting with different strains. One day I decided to roll a joint of cbd shark shock, and I got so high it was not really pleasant until the strong waves went away. Since then I started liking using the vaporizer (pax 3) now that I’m getting the hang of it and like it a lot more. Hate smoking. I over did it that one day and now we’ll i over did it again last night on taffie all thc Indica. Only like 10.30%. I was not getting as much as the buzz feeling as I did when I first started it. I find 2 10 second pulls/draws got me a nice head buzz. Last night I took 3 10 second pulls and yeah I timed it. About 30 minutes later it hit me like a freight train. At first it seemed like I would be fine u til the vacuum turned on and the light started tripping me out. I tried watching tv and it got me so sick like I wanted to throw up. If I stared at the tv for more then like 20 seconds it would start bouncing all over the place.

    I have a few questions here. Is that nice mind and body buzz technically mean “your high”? With lightly red eyes? Or is high the 2 times I over did it where it seemed like the effects even medically were just a touch better. Last night my I looked like a demon my eyes were dark red like something out of a movie.

    I’m trying to figure out what exactly is being high and if you can get to a certain point your beyond a normal high if it makes sense. I was even hallucinating a little mostly audio, and I kind of also felt disconnected like I’m in my own world so to say and my body is detached from my mind. I really don’t like that feeling. This is my 2nd time I think I may have over did it, and hate the first 2 hours then the remaining hour is very nice and pleasant.

    So is there different stages of being high? And what I’m comfortable with and like isoprene if a buzz and not an actual high? Or is that a high that I do enjoy and the 2 times it got out of control I was really just out of it. Was at the point where I New the pain was there but the strain was not always the best for pain relieving but the whole experience was more of a mind wondering hazy kind of high with no medical benefits other then I didn’t eat dinner felt like throwing up after 1 nite and was simply not even hungry. I tried even drinking a glass of orange juice and that did not make the high or what ever that was go away. Dude at dispensary said if you lose control or get too uncomfortable a glass of orange juice or sniffing or eating black pepper is an instant cure for a too intense high.

    I was starting to think maybe I’m ready for the next step up not to sound like a baby but figured I would start slow 10% thc then 13 then 15 then 17-18 then 20+ etc so I don’t get myself into trouble. The strains I tried so far were mostly cbd strains and I usually smoke a cbd and do get that head buzz during the day then night I switch to indicas. 2 10 second draws seemed to help, but 3 is definatly way too much, unless that feeling was the true high and where I’m supposed to be. My concern now is is that feeling was a true high when I move on to the next strain blueberry kush or pineappleshock/purple urkel one of them 3 will the high be more intense? I’m not sure if the higher the thc percentage now it means the more the intense the high will be and it’s better to work your way up to it to get the same effect you once did on the lower thc or if the higher the thc it really don’t matter it’s just a lot stronger of a mind altering high with stronger medical effects.

    I’m not looking to get super messed up I rather vape as little as I can to get the effects and as little of what I dealt with last night as possible. Night time the pain gets so bad I just want to sleep, and can’t. So far taffie is the only Indica strain I think cbd shark shock was too but when I’m in that nice head and body buzz comfort zone I just get relaxed more then anything not tired or any kind of sedation feeling.

    Edibles are not an option and honestly I really don’t think I can handle them. That strong head buzz I get would be perfect though if it was not in my head and it was all in my legs.

    Some may ask so I’ll mention it now that I don’t vape the pure thc strains right after a high cbd strain. I usually stop around 3-4 pm then about 5-6 I’ll switch to Indicas pure thc. Last night though I did have some taffie 2 draws around 4:30 pm and that was the first time vaping anything all day 2 vapes then at 7 is when I tried the 3 10 second pulls and over did it. Or I really just don’t like the whole “being actually high” thing. I’m out of taffie now all I have is the 3 listed above but 2 of them are 13.96% purple urkel, and pineapple shock thc . the blue berry is just about 15.92% I would like to sleep and have better pain relief but not a more intense version of what happened last night and about a month ago.
     
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  2. asdf420

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    Maybe just vape 1/2 the amount from last night? guess I'd start with purple urkle

    I find that I have to go way below when I start to have a body high to still be able to get things done during the day. Maybe I should try cbd shark shock then. Maybe it's also because I have higher tolerance.

    I've had pretty intense highs from CBD strains. Strong body effects. But in my early days with smoking high THC weed, I would feel like everything was a "low frame rate", stuttery, and like my heart was beating at 200bpm. Then I'd get derealization and would question if what just happened a second ago was real. I'd be spaced out in my head with weird ass daydreaming, and would have to make an effort to actually consciously see what's in front of me. Yet I thought it was kind of neat. Seems that some people end up with derealization and anxiety problems from going too far..
     
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  3. Mookie0608

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    Exactly what you described is just about how I felt well exactly how o felt it sounds like with objects seeming like the start moving If I stare to much. I don’t know if that’s just being high or being to high. The only cbd strain I tried that just didn’t get me high at al or even a slight buzz is AC/DC and that’s like 20% cbd and maybe .25% thc.

    I just know that feeling well the first hour and a half or so of it was not too pleasant, and no winded if a higher thc content will just be even more intense. Or if I take my time the 2 10 second draws maybe the higher the thc percentage the better the relief is without a over whelming over doing it head high. It honestly felt like last night was all about just that being high with no pain relief. I was higher if I even been getting high but the pain relief was no different then 2 draws just more intense mind effects.
     
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  4. asdf420

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    i think it's better to have more CBD, CBN, CBG if you want more pain relief and less of a high

    not sure which is better for pain. Indicas are nice for CBN, usually. especially if old, THC degrades to CBN
     
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  5. VaporWare

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    I wouldn’t discount edibles so easily. I have a low tolerance too, but it seems like I can take more in edible form, and I find I get better pain relief with edibles and vapor than either alone. Plus edibles last longer, and at least for me they’re generally a bit more effective on pain with less mental effects.

    If I only vaporized it I think I’d need to do it a lot more during the day. As it is I can do both at night and generally make it through to the next night without too much pain.

    If you do decide to try edibles, just remember to take a little (maybe get a dispensary recommendation, otherwise start low like 5-10mg THC and don’t take more than maybe 20-25 the first time), and wait at least an hour or two before trying more. For most people it doesn’t completely hit them for 1-3 hours and can last 4-8 or even longer...it varies a lot from person to person, but the intensity would start to come back down after the ramp up. It’s not like people are all noticeably high after several hours, but they may not be good to drive yet for example. You have to learn how things affect you.

    Also, in my opinion edibles made with pure THC extract are not nearly as good as those that use the whole plant, so if you do try them make sure you get the right stuff. If your dispensary doesn’t have it, there’s probably another you can go to that does.

    I know that doesn’t really answer your questions, but I hope it helps you. :)

    Here’s one piece of an answer to something you actually asked about:

    Mental effects can be heavily dependent on your state of mind. If you’re already anxious, a little will probably help you but a lot may make it worse. If you do have a bit too much, worrying about it only feeds the discomfort so, if you can, find a way to make it fun/interesting/relaxing/etc. even if all you can do is lay down and listen to music. If you can, you should get through it easier or even enjoy it. Slow deep breaths can also help.
     
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  6. Mr.Sifter

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    make sure to set the temperature to the highest level to get the stoney effects.
    perhaps you freaked out on too much THC without the moderating cannabinoids to make it "melow".

    CBD shark shock should be a good medical strain.
     
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  7. Jill NYC

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    You may want to consider microdosing. Unfortunately the Pax is not conducive to microdosing, but there are many, many vapes that are great for small amounts (vapcap comes to mind first, but if you don’t want to use a torch, many others to choose from.
    Take a look at the thread - and if it intrigues you at all, the microdosers can answer any specifics.
    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/micro-dosing.19915/

    Good luck with your journey - it sometimes takes a bit of experimentation to get it right.
     
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  8. Mookie0608

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    Must have just been that strain. Smoking pineappleshock but much calmer chill out high. Similar to some of the old pain pills I used to take for surgeries. The cbd shark shock is not bad just does not make me sleep.

    I have anxiety issues on my own so sure that could make things seem worse then they are. Talked to someone though from my main dispensary. It might be the euphoric and the cerebral effects not the thc bothering me. He was saying cerebral is More if the effect that can make you lost and that I want to look for strains that don’t have any euphoric cerebral effects.
     
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  10. asdf420

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    I made edibles using Sour Tsunami. It was very sedating on body and mind in high doses. Very couchlocking, but much "smoother" than non CBD strains. I imagine this one had a 1:1 ratio, I've also had Sour Tsunami with a 1:20 ratio which I don't think would be very effective
     
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  11. Ramahs

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    It can be trial and error. With any new and unfamiliar strain, always start small...Just one small hit or two (in your case, maybe less)...wait 30, then either you're good, or try more.

    When you're new at this shit you will have some uncomfortable experiences while you're discovering where your comfortable-dosage range lies. It's different for everyone, and different for the same person with different plants.

    It seems confusing and scary at first, but as long as you are careful and start small (kind of like you would with spicy food), and go up in small increments till you find what's right for you. Don't regret the uncomfortable experiences. Just treat them as learning experiences.

    Also, remember, if you have an uncomfortable experience...it can't hurt you. If you make a mistake, just ride-it-out, learn from it, and try not to make it again. Also, try different ways of consuming. I'm not talking about eating vs smoking vs vaping either. Even if you just stick to vaporizing, different styles of vaporizers can offer differing kinds of experiences. I find certain vaporizers in my collection better for one kind of experience, and another better when I'm in the mood for a different kind of experience.

    Also, remember that for many people, vapor takes longer for the full high to set in than smoke. If you found it took 30 minutes for the full experience to set in with that combination of type of herb and type of vaporizer, then just take one hit, or a half a hit, or less, and wait half an hour. It's worth not getting up to the high you want on occasion just to learn where you stand with a new bag of herb or a new consumption tool. Start by using significantly less than you need, and work up slowly is the name of the game in figuring out your drugs.

    To be perfectly honest, there are amazing things about the high one gets after a decent tolerance break...but being back to very low tolerance kind of sucks in my opinion. Once a little bit of tolerance builds up, and you can get to levels 3, 5, 7, or 9 of 10 can be safely reached a couple hits at a time is much better than one-hit sending you to the moon. I much prefer the highs I get now on larger amounts with a bit of tolerance to the first bit of time after one hasn't used cannabis in a long time. It's so much harder to gauge and dose in such small dosage sizes when every bud is different.
     
  12. Mookie0608

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    I’ll say this the pineapple shock is amazing. The head high was much nicer seemed like it was only strong for about 30 minutes with a nice body buzz that slowly turned into not a heavy feeling but like my body had no worry of that is not a bad way to say it. The pain relief was solid for the first hour and lasted a good 4 hours total. Unless that’s apart of the high after I stopped feeling the buzzing thinks felt sort of like a haze and very clear and calm. Very peaceful and calming as well with a nice relaxing body feeling.

    Now that to me was just about perfect. Seemed like the real effects lasted for awhile. The perfect high if that was a high and feeling. Not that othe big loud head buzz that feels slowly seemed like after a few hours laying down just really felt like the best, and a very similar calming feeling and getting a little tired like taken medication. Not too Weak, but not too over powering either with the sedating effect. Thinking I’m really going to enjoy purple urkel and blueberry kush once I dig into it. This shock is the first strain I enjoyed so much i actually want to buy more of it but might not be available again for awhile. It’s off the menu at dispensary I got it from and was sold out within 2.5 days when they did have it so I’m assuming it’s one of their More popular strains or they just did not have much of it.
     
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  13. Mookie0608

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    Ohh as far as the time it took. I can feel the high almost instantly then I feel it start to settle I’m minutes. I’m usually there within 5 minutes then it seemed like the few times I must have really had a lot the highs were nice then out of no where 20-30 minutes later, but the high was nice just hit full gear and without a warning. Making it very ocer whelming. I would think I’m fine and start settling down then bomb the tome goes by and it’s like a switch was flipped. That I do remember. I take notes to on how I feel as well how many hits I take, and how long. So far though it seems like the 2 20 second pulls or some where close to that range is what gives me the equal high/pain relief. Anymore then that it’s just all high little relief. The more I vape/smoke at a time just makes the high stronger the pain relief stays the same it does not get better or stronger.
     
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  14. little maggie

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    Found this interesting video but can't separate it from the rest of the page:
    https://lifehacker.com/tag/weed

    The only time I've been "too high" was on an edible so I just stick to vaping. It reminded me of tripping which is not a pleasant experience for me.
     
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  15. little maggie

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    I think that applies, even when familiar with a certain form of cannabis.
     
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    I thought this was from near passing out from oxygen depravation from coughing so hard, it has happened to me a bit lately from hitting the VapCap through water. I have been on the same strain for over 15 years and it can still fuck me up good if I use too much. When this happens I just have to remember to `Ride the snake`, try to kick back and relax.
     
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  17. Mookie0608

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    All good stuff. The high effects me differently then most people I talk to. It’s the cerebral effects I can’t handle. The head buzz is one thing. It’s when it’s like my kind starts playing games I can’t put up with it. Such as watching TV some strains make the tv look like it starts bouncing around, and I’ll get a kind of motion sickness and it feels dreamy. Best way I can think of when I get it that bad is drinking way to much and the room starts to spin. It’s just about identical to that. The strain I’m on now pineapple shock doesn’t have the nice head buzz I like but it’s not intense and fades fast into my body and just very relaxing and calming. I love that kind of high. The head buzzed and head highs are nice too, but not when I start tripping out. Could also be a panic attack not sure. One think I have noticed though is I feel like When the bad highs come it’s like I been there before but worse, and always takes me back to the time during a surgery that I woke up too early.
     
  18. EverythingsHazy

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    I find it interesting that you get motion sickness from Cannabis, since it tends to work very effectively to get rid of nausea. Given the fact that it can cause flying/falling feelings, it's surprising that it works for nausea, but it does for many people.

    Anyway... Vaporize less/weaker bud. Take a small hit (few seconds max), then give it 30 minutes before deciding if you want to take another.

    Higher CBD:THC ratios may help reduce some of the negative effects.

    If you grind up all of your material, together, it will be easier to control your doses.
     
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    Motion sickness may have been wrong terminology. When I walk it feels like I’m moving st a very slow pace and I’m barely going any where and it slowly turns into blacking out and feeling like getting sick.
     
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  20. Mookie0608

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    Last night I’ll use this as a prime example. Mild head buzz but I New i taken a good amount when the drowsy kicked up a notch few hours after vaping. But I love it. I had dozens of surgeries. I am used to the poops high if that’s what you want to call it and I love it.
     
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    That sounds like you got really stoned. I’ve never experienced nausea with Cannabis, but the other effects are common for people who have low tolerance and/or take high doses.

    I recommend grinding all of your material together, and using a milligram scale for dosing. It will help you control your doses much more effectively. Also, store your herb in an airtight container, so the weight doesn’t change with evaporation, and be sure to stay hydrated and well nourished. Vaporizing on an empty stomach with low levels of hydration can exacerbate the effects.
     
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  22. LesPlenty

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    I am going to have to try this. :)
     
  23. Mookie0608

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    Now see that’s originally what I thought, until someone told me being stoned is more of the lazy couch lock body high. As far as dosing goes though I don’t always fill the vaporizer with the same amount, but take the same 2 10 second draws. All though some times it feels like I won’t even get much effect. Last 2 nights i could feel a little something but didn’t actually get tiredly a full body high. That’s what put me in the boat of over doing it. 2 10 second draws did not get me there and a 3rd was way to much yet 3 8 second draws was not even enough. As dumb as this sounds it’s as if I’m not even inhaling right. Last night I got into purple urkel 2 8 second draws just got me a weak head and very weak body buz, if I try to double that tonight watch me be on Another planet. Unless there’s something wrong with my vaporizer. It sure does snap crackle and pop an awful lot anymore at higher temps and at 400+ the weed don’t last long I only goes as fast as smoking. Some one from pax though mentioned it could be stems doing the crackling and a seed popping. I honest to god hate grinding I can’t stand it my hands are big and pulling the buds apart are a bitch trying to find every little stem I just wind up breaking off more and more stems then I do getting the buds off the stems wind. As I pull buds off I wind up breaking the whole piece off with the stem.
     
  24. Ramahs

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    Sounds like you need a decent grinder.
     
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    Sharp stone and 2 shredders. Grinding don’t bother me it’s the picking buds off stems that does.
     

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