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Glycerin Tincture for Vaping

Discussion in 'Vaporizables' started by Enchantre, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. Enchantre

    Enchantre Oil Painter

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    Disclaimer: I am NOT an expert at this. However, I am rather skilled in the kitchen (and other rooms, but this thread is not about that...), and I have worked with herbs, tinctures, and extractions for many years.

    What I wanted to make:
    I have a VIP2 vapor pen, which is for vaping "oils".
    I wanted a custom tincture that would work with this vape, and that would have the medical effects that I want - for me, that would be relief from hot flashes, and stress, while at work/away from home.

    I read Vitolo's link for instructions on tincture, and I went over to ICMAG.com and looked at their recipes. I think there was one on some other sites. So, being a confirmed DIY-er, I took off on my own.

    How I did it:

    I got a quarter of Chocolate Chunk, and used right about 7 grams. Ground it up really fine in a blade-style coffee grinder. I would probably just chop it up with a french knife next time.

    I put the ground herb in a pint mason jar, and then poured in Glycerin - about a cup (8 fluid ounces). I also added some flavor: my Daytime formula, I threw a fresh mint leaf into it. For my Nighttime formula, I put a bit of cinnamon stick in it.

    I got out my crockpot, put a silicon hotpad in the bottom, put a few inches of water in it (preheated), and set the jars in there, with lids on loosely. My crock is a bit on the hotter side, so I kept it on low (a simmer), with the lid slightly ajar, overnight. At least 12 hours.

    Took the jars out, TIGHTENED THE LIDS, and shook them like crazy. Put them in my cupboard (dark), and tried to remember to shake them daily. Once each week, I repeated the crockpot treatment - loosened the lids, and simmered them overnight.

    At four weeks, after the simmering, while still warm, I poured the contents of the jar through a gold coffee filter (cone style), over a bowl. I hung the filter by its handle and an S hook, from a cupboard door handle. I left it to drip all day.

    Yield: I filled two 1-oz bottles, and a 2-oz bottle.*

    *****

    I immediately put some in one of my VIP2 tanks, and took it along on a trip... our son was with us, and he took one hit off it, and said it hit him really hard - I had vaped before leaving, so it just kept me where I needed to be.

    *****

    *I still have the mass of stuff in a jar. I could probably squeeze more stuff out (guessing another ounce or two), and I think my hubby will probably dump some vodka or everclear in there, and add it to his everclear jar of stuff.

    ******

    I plan to try another batch, using ABV, for general pain/relaxation.
     
  2. Breathemetal

    Breathemetal Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the info.
    Never tried a tincture before.
    How are the effects compared to vaping flower?
     
  3. Enchantre

    Enchantre Oil Painter

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    The effects are ... narrower. It hits, but seems to be a "thinner" stone... and it doesn't last as long.

    It works great to maintain a state of high, but isn't the best for getting there. I think (guess, really) that without separate decarbolyzation, I'm missing a bunch of the THC. However, I'm usually after the CBD anyway, and that seems to be there.
     
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  4. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH Staff Member

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    Yeah, with cold soaks like green dragon and tinctures, I've always read that decarbing is best. I remember one in particular that said he did green dragon without decarbing and was really disappointed with the results. The nice thing is we can control almost every single variable and fine tune the recipes for our own enjoyment.
     
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  5. Breathemetal

    Breathemetal Well-Known Member

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    With ABV there would be no need to decarb right?
    I would be trying this out with a butt-load of ABV i have saved up.
     
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  6. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH Staff Member

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    I've eaten just ABV by itself and felt effects. The taste isn't phenomenal so I like mixing it with Nutella.
     
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  7. Breathemetal

    Breathemetal Well-Known Member

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    Well the reason im interested in trying this out is medibles don't really effect me....okay, they dont effect me at all. Ive eaten some mad amounts of GOOD stuff too...and nothing. I havent tried the SL trick yet, (i plan to) but vapeable tincture is just...well cool. lol
     
  8. ODS

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    i'm using the VIP2 (thanks for the suggestion!) with 100% VG tincture i made.
    (i was stupid and didn't get it tested last week but i'll give him a sample to test this week.)

    it doesn't sound like it would be very potent from what you posted.
    7gr of herb mixed with 8oz of glycerin doesn't paint a potent picture.
    for arguement sake lets says the herb tested at 18% thc.
    .18 x 1000 = 180mg thc per gram. (1000mg = 1 gr)
    30ml = 1 oz so each ml of tincture would have approximately 6mg thc.

    my tincture recipes is...
    1. fill a mason jar 3/4 with herb and top with glycerin.
    2. heat in a double boiler for 24 hours.
    3. strain the glycerin and throw away the herb or set it aside.
    4. refill the jar with herb and pour the glycerin in.
    5. top off with a bit of fresh glycerin.
    6. heat in a double boiler for 24 hours.
    7. repeat this a few more times.

    i took about 10ml of the tincture and mixed in about 10-20 drop of flavoring and heated it for about 5 minutes on low heat then filled my VIP2 tank.

    tastes great, big clouds of vapor just need to do a more in-depth test to determine potency.
     
  9. Enchantre

    Enchantre Oil Painter

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    Well, I am not all about the THC... I am, for the most part, after the CBD & CBNs.

    I have no idea if the 24 hour cooking (which I repeated 4 times) heats up the herb enough to decarb it. I've had good luck boiling herb in water with butter, but in the glycerin, I'm just not sure. I may decarb the next batch I make with fresh herb.

    With butter, I generally use 1 gram herb/1 ounce butter, so that is why I used the amounts that I did. This was an experiment, first of all, and I will be altering the recipe each time I try it.

    Currently, I have so much tincture (both glycerin and alcohol-based), that I seriously could do nothing but tincture for months. Sigh.
     
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  10. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    Yea, for all the work why make a small batch.
     
  11. Enchantre

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    Mostly because a) I can't afford a whole lot of herb, and b) I'm trying a new recipe, and I don't want to sink a lot of money & herb into something that doesn't work for me.
     
  12. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    :nod:that too. I have wasted so much on stuff that doesn't work. I don't like the heavy body stuff which you want for pain. I prefer to live with the pain and get more of a head thing going so I can function. I don't like feeling tired. I am a sativa person and lucky for me I am backwards. Sativa's calm me and make me less paranoid yet no body stuff. Now if they helped for pain that would be fabulous. I would imagine the indica's would help for the spasms as well but it never helped enough for it to be worth it to me. When I smoked it helped within a few minutes which was great. I have never been able to replicate that with vaping.

    I smoked whitewidow for spasms and now vape it which does nothing at all. Very strange this herb is.
     
  13. itschad

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    I wasn't really successful with vaping my first run of tincture, though I suspect it just wasn't potent enough. I used 3 grams of kief in about 3.5 tablespoons of VG. Next time, I intend on using 1 gram/teaspoon, aiming for 0.1g/ml ish. Not sure how that would translate to vaping potency...


    My methodology was just putting my kif in a mason jar, pouring the glycerin over, mixing it up, sticking it in the oven (preheated to 200f) for 8 hours, taking it out every hour and shaking it for about 5 minutes.

    Double also, how do you guys flavor your tincs? It tastes like burnt marshmallow when you vape it straight...
     
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  14. Enchantre

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    For flavor, to an entire batch (like, at least a cup of tincture) you can put in ONE drop of peppermint extract. It is very potent.
     
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  15. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    I think .1 judging from the capsules I used to take would be really low. The capsules that I used to buy were about .25 per capsule. I wish I still had that connection:cry:. Those worked great and I was never able to repeat it using fresh and he didn't use that he used trim ugh.
     
  16. itschad

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    well, but remember that this is 0.1 per mL, not capsule. And a mL is about a typical droplet of water. Did you find the potency of the 0.25 was enough though? or were you taking multiple at a time?
     
  17. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    I don't know what that guy did but that was enough for 4-5 hours depending on which color one I took. They were strain specific. Remember I usually vape non-stop when I eventually start for the day. So if I end up leaving my house it is from early in the morning till I go to sleep around 2am. If I stay home unless I am having huge issues I try not to till the late afternoon.
     
  18. itschad

    itschad Well-Known Member

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    going to try a run with 2g herb and .5g kief in ~8ml of glycerin (hopefully that's enough to cover the material) tonight. will post results.
     
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  19. lesvape

    lesvape Queer in a high haze

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    Wouldn't PEG be a better to use vs VG or PG, or have I been misreading it?
     
  20. vaporonly

    vaporonly living in a van down by the river

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    no need to decarb if the intent is vaporization. For other means, ie oral, then it should be decarbed.

    avb doesn't need to be decarbed.

    has the OP tried the tincture under tongue yet?
     
  21. Enchantre

    Enchantre Oil Painter

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    Yes. I have used it sublingually, and so has my hubby.

    1 dropperful hits like a train. :)
     
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  22. satyrday

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    Do you think it really hits sublingually, or do you swallow it and it takes effect that way? i never had much luck sublingually but I haven't tried the glycerine tincture like that.
     
  23. vaporonly

    vaporonly living in a van down by the river

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    ^glycerin works well subliminally and the effects come on much quicker then eating it.

    i'd try to make the glycerin for vaping stronger and see how that works
     
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  24. Breathemetal

    Breathemetal Well-Known Member

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    Enchantre,

    You should definitely post some pictures of your product!!!
    Or perhaps a photo guide? That'd be a nice addition to your thread here!

    I cant wait to make some of this and try it out.
     
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  25. Enchantre

    Enchantre Oil Painter

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    Next time I make a batch, I will take photos as I go along.

    I want to try a batch with ABV... it's pre-decarbed, so it should hit like a freight train. :)
     
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