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Glass Symphony XLR

Discussion in 'Upcoming and Unreleased Plug-in Vaporizers' started by jojo monkey, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    I know a man who can turn your dream into reality- a mysterious character who devotes his time and efforts towards changing the world for the better with groundbreaking new inventions from a far away lab! (his name begins with a "J");)
     
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  3. StormyPinkness

    StormyPinkness Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

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    Buy it from the person who sells them? Madness!

    Windows 10 has a free 3d model building program I've been messing with today trying to see if I wanted to make a 3d printed ceramic stand for this but I'm not quite sure how to do the joint. 24.5mm diameter hole I'm thinking? What I'm really not sure about is how much to angle it going down. I'd prefer it to be angled so it fits snug in there like it does in a normal female joint. I'm trying to google it but the results haven't been helpful, I'd guess 22.5 degrees or less. Keyword there is guess though and this stuff is pricey to make mistakes with. I might just try to make it more of a ring than a funnel until I'm more familiar with how to do this stuff. The smart thing would be to do a plastic version first to make sure it fits, hopefully I'll be that smart if I do this.

    The joint is 24/40 right? So if the joint for this is 40mm long what would the diameter for the top and bottom of a female joint need to be? I think I can make it if I know that. I'm making a rectangle that's 40mm tall, then putting a cone through it with base diameter of 24.5 which should fit the widest part. I can't change the angle of the cone, but I can change the length. So I just need to change the length until the diameter of the bottom hole matches what I need. I can't imagine that made any sense to anyone...

    I'm sure these cryptic nonsensical pictures will help. I need to make that orange cone the correct length/diameter before I remove it hopefully leaving a female joint that works:
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    I'm hoping to just get a joint that works and then try to actually make something cool looking with a wide enough base to keep it steady. I wouldn't be surprised if I just look through other people's much better built/looking stuff until I see something I like and add my joint into it.

    Any and all help welcome, I have no idea what I'm doing.
     
  4. Stu

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    I believe you want a 1:10 taper. Using angles is tricky since it's not two-dimensional. :2c:


    :peace:
     
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  5. biohacker

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    As much as I think that full on convection vapes aren't for me, i've decided to take this one for a proper demo and test drive! Trigger pulled! :rockon:

    @Alexis what's with all your "secrets" lately? :brow: Spill! :cool:;)
     
  6. Alexis

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    All in good time my friend, have patience! Just not wanting advertising a show when it may well get cancelled, that's all really.

    Im glad you are giving the Symphony a shot though for sure. Got to check out all the hoiday destinations first before picking an island paradise.:cool:
    Great to have you back here pitching in bro whatever, to be honest that means as much to me right now as any great vape we might end up falling in love with :love:, or cursing all the way to the dump!:argh:;)
     
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  7. biohacker

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    meh, full unedited transparency is where it's at! At least that's my style, too much bs bias and pushing agendas out there! I respect those that tell it like it is, including the negative - and do not receive ANY sort of financial compensation or even freebee's for it. You and I are different from most on this forum in that we are extremely sensitive to vapour, which is why the FP didn't work out for either of us. I too hope this show isn't over before it starts so to speak, but if it is - so be it, then i'll know 100% that full convection simply isn't ever an option for me, and i'm kinda fearing this to be the actual case, although i'm hoping that it isn't.
     
  8. Alexis

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    Good morning all. :cool:Please can anybody set me straight on one thing? This mention of the new heater running 100F lower, or being able to reach 100F higher temps...

    The semantics have me confused here- what does this mean in terms of actual temps between the older and newer heater? If they ate both set at 700F on the controller, are they working at the same temp?
    Or is 700F on the new heater equal to 800F on the old?
    Or vice versa?

    Sorry for suchba dumbass Q, I never gave this much thought. Thanks a bunch guys for any input, have a great 2017 Sunday.:tup:
     
  9. biohacker

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    hey @Alexis, hope your weather isn't as "arctic" as here in frigid Canada! Apparently some parts here like our Capital City Ottawa is colder than the north pole, mars, and moscow?! :rolleyes:

    I could never understand why this vape needs to be run at such a high temp....like we're talking 800-1000 as usable range? The new heaters allow about 100f less on the pid to be at the same temp as the previous is my understanding. I guess this heater is quite the BEAST! I rarely went over high 600's with my FlowerPot, but a completely different material/heater.

    My GS has been shipped! :rockon:

    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!! :cheers::spliff::party::smug::bigleaf:
     
  10. Alexis

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    Thanks Bro, that is what I presumed about the new heaters but then I realised that it hasn't actually been spelled out in any certain terms. I searched but found no confirmation, could be read in several ways.

    Actually the weather is pretty mild here in UK. We get barely any sun now, seriously chemtrails have been the most constant I have seen for months on end now. They have stepped it up bigtime, I don't even look at the sky anymore. There is mostly just cloud, and I think I'd rather see that than the depressing sight of all those trails.

    :)Now- GS talk! I forgot to take account of the -100F new heater last night. I was detrmoned to have a test, even though I only slept 3 hours friday and was SO tired by 12.30 pm last night when I finally had my first chance with everything set up right. I tried not to vape yesterday but had a strong cup of pot tea and 2 bowls Vapcap early evening. I was very stoned but too tired to notice a buzz.

    First, good news- I am feeling so much better all round in every sense. I really made some terrific progress with my lung infections this week. From one extreme to the other in just days.

    This is the best I have felt for months, if not all this year. Just in time ha! Thanks 2017!:o

    I was initially daunted about how to tune the Pid settings on the rdk-200. I am not technical at all that way and get overwhelmed by the foreign language of it.
    But it was dead easy to tune the Auber, armed with Jojo's post on pid settings, and Auber's manual, it took minutes!:clap:


    Putting the GS together was also a sinch. I was too tired to even move or think at the late hour. Feeling good, so tired though, still was easy. My initial setup:
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    I just guessed at a temp, picked 720 to begin (712 actual temp).
    Now I know that it equal to 820 old heater, I should have gone far lower. No way will I be able to take these same temps as the other guys here, like @lazylathe and @Zow237 both with the rdk-200.

    I vaped the first bowl anyway at 720. It is so easy to use this vape, much easier than the FPSH. I am with you 100% Biohacker- the Showerhead is just TOO open for me. Makes such hard work to keep taking on so much air.

    You just don't need to inhale anywhere near as long with the Symphony. I didn't see any can milk, but my exhale was massive. Very easy to exhale a little at a time and keep hold as long as you want. Not bursting to exhale from taking in so much air.


    Most of the goods were extracted first hit. I vaped a second bowl, raising temp to 740 I think.
    I finished both bowls quite quick (0.2- 0.25 maybe together).

    I was mostly precocupied with assessing respiratory reactions, at the moment of truth- quite nervous in case of another huge disappointment and major intolerance of another device.
    Usually it seems okay to begin with, then I become increasingly aware of substantial discomfort in my lungs. Hopes can go up initially only for dreams to be crushed within the hour, so I'm always extra apprehensive in these moments which really throw my head around not knowing what to expect or what I am feeling initially.


    So my Focus was here. I vaped both bowls fairly quickly and very easily with no effort at all. Here is the abv from both at 740 tops:
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    Extraordinarily even I say!

    So by then I really wasn't feeling much of a buzz at all to my surprise. I expected more from the weed I used. I started feeling concerned about running through my stash with the Symphony.
    No need- the effect was delayed but came on VERY strong and so CLEANLY, like a hallucinogen (I mean the way it comes on all at once and so smoothly after a delay). Nothing at first (I was very tired and stoned to begin though)...

    Then- BHAM fully immersed by it. I was very medicated, far more so than I would expect from the amount used.
    I also found that, excellent as the Showerhead is, it can take more herb than usual and eat through it very fast.

    I was sure I was aware of an adverse respiratory reaction but was still difficult to judge at the time. After I finished the two bowls and before the effect came on I was convinced I needed more so I raised the temp to 775 to finish both off together:
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    I got zero vapor at this temp, so it wasn't needed for full extraction which happens so quickly with this vape!

    By then it had really hit me hard. My chest was suffering badly though, I didnt remember the heater was 100F hotter than Lazy's. So it was at 866 effectively!! I used the funnel bowl too, which works at 100F lower than the Stadium.

    I decided to try one more bowl, about 0.1 of durban. Same temp (766).
    One long, very fast draw. Huge hit exhaled, TONS of vapor. So easy to inhale it all too.
    Second hit nothing!

    I was very very medicated. More so I feel than the Flowerpot, but temps are surely different, hotter with the GS.

    My chest was REALLY suffering after and overnight. The hits were too large in the dim light, my first try, for a start. And temps way too high for me Im sure with the new heater.

    Sleep quality was amazing, and I feel better in every way from the effevts except my lungs being very aggravated, like too high temps would with any vape though.

    Right now I say I prefer the GS to the SH. Much easier to take the hits, and the effect is amazing. It is an outstanding vape no question.
    I need to go lower, starting at 650, and more gently. Really hoping I can find a happy medium, otherwise I will have to swallow some disappointment and move on again, to the one option I know will work for me as a well tolerated heavy hitter (Herbo Ti.)

    I kept this quiet mainly because I hate to put a downer on things, especially such a great thread as this thanks to Jojo's energy passion and positivity.

    Final verdict yet to come, but I love this vaporizer and recommend it already.

    Edit- I am finding the fine mesh in the funnel bowl very easy to work with. The way Jojo installed it is ideal. He formed it into a cozy little nest, almost like a dingy on the ocean. It's edges don't stick out or get caught. I can easily slip it out of the bowl with my finger, but @VapeFiend.com 's great little dab tool is perfect for stirring the load, and hooking under the screen.

    Stirring in the mesh also could not be easier. Everything is nested in, nothing goes to the edge. Hence very uniform extraction.

    There is an art to forming the mesh screens I see, but it makes for very easy usage and load maintenance.
     
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  11. biohacker

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    We get some sun, but on this chunk of the planet there is absolutely zero evidence of global warming that's forsure! We've hit new COLD records!

    YES!!!!! :rockon::clap::nod::tup:

    I can empathize so much here bro, I know that exact feeling!

    You're getting me super stoked for the GS bro! :rockon: Thanks so much for your early report! :tup:

    Keep those temps in check! :D I'm sure the flavour will be incredible!
     
  12. invertedisdead

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    It was actually this thread that inspired me to start taking my SH to higher temps a few weeks ago. Amazing flavor (better than lower temps) instant extraction, minimal hot air intake, and none of the harshness I get at lower temps.

    Although the titanium Showerhead is more thermally conductive, the GS has a much larger heat exchanger; by comparing ABV shots and PID temps in both threads the performance seems pretty even at similar temps in my opinion. Wish I had a GS here to compare, would really like to try one!
     
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  13. biohacker

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    I can see instant extraction sure, but that minimal hot air intake north of 700 is all dependent on your draw, so you better have it just right. I was able to go north of 800 with the SH with a fast draw, but I didn't enjoy the experience, nor the margin of user error. I don't think that the GS works the same, and based on some reviews in this thread, its temp is more stable and less dependent on draw due to the immense thermal mass?

    Just IMO, but abv shots and temps are a poor indicator of anything really. It does appear that the GS is about 100f more than the FP at a minimum. But i'll have one here in a couple of weeks so i'll know right away after using the FP as my daily driver for well over a month. @Alexis opinion means a lot to me since we share the same sensitivities to vapour quality/heat. I just hope this one doesn't end up like the FP! He's right, it can take time for the eroding heat to cause intolerance/irritation.
     
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  14. invertedisdead

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    I think they say something, not as a scientific method of testing, but for spit-balling temps on a convection vape I think it at least gets in the ball park. When I saw people using the GS at 1000F I realized I had way more playing room in the FP. I'm very sensitive to vapor and heat so I can gauge the vapor temp based on the PID setting pretty well. I was calling out pretty damn accurate temps in the FP thread later to be confirmed by others via thermocouple. These numbers are variable obviously, but "in the ballpark"


    I'm very familiar with the feeling, I call it "convectigestion"
     
  15. Alexis

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    Just to add, Im sure I hit the GS much harder than my first use of the Showerhead, and Im sure the SH affected me much more adversely.

    The strange thing is- I did my steam inhalatiin today and still achieved an amazing level of symptom relief clearing my lings of mucus. My chest has suffered, but it didn't prevent me from still effectively managing my symptoms.
    Using the SH, it was impossible for me to get the mucus out of my lungs. I have expereinced this before as well.

    I did an amzing job today. A big part of that is from getting my infections down so much this week, but still though!
    However, despite this success, my lungs were still badly affected, like an irritation, taking my lung "Qi" down effectively- my energy gone, irritable, despite feeling much better on many levels.

    I just have to give it a fair go now, I mean I couldn't use the Herbo Ti either in May. But Im sure I could use the Ti now though without this effect. If I can't make it work then I have a very good direction to go in still.

    I tried 650 earlier. Fast draws still gave huge hits and massive exhales from 0.15 ish loads. 2 loads. It did take quite a few draws for vapor to stop, but it seemed like there was so much of it.

    I also remembered @jojo monkey 's posts in the vape temp profile thread. Did you see that one @biohacker ? Here is one of his graphs:
    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vape-temp-profile-charts.25780/page-3#post-1196791

    I think I need to be below 200°C at the most really.
    It would be so interesting to get some similar checks done on the Herbo Ti at various settings.

    Anyway, the effect was just awsome again! Really lovely and so smooth and strong. It feels so natural, no edge. Hard to judge irritation today, still affected from last night.

    So sorry I can't just be singing the praises of the amazing device. I will give it a good go for sure!

    I should really try smaller loads, and larger at lower temp. Fair testing isn't really possible with overlas though.
     
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  16. invertedisdead

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    @Alexis I really hope this vape really works out for you buddy! Super interested to hear how these glass vapes (GS & ELEV8R) work out for your allergies. Of course I can't wait to hear @biohacker first hand impressions either!

    I just got fucked by the veterinarian yesterday so I won't be buying any toys for a while, but I'm still quite interested in this one!
     
  17. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge

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    Been microdosing all week with this thing. Fucking killer one hit extraction! I love having this thing on all night for quick attitude adjustments!
     
  18. biohacker

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    EQ basket screen or stock? What are your microdose sizes?
     
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    stickstones Vapor concierge

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    Using the micro dose as shipped with just enough from my Chewy to cover the screen.
     
  20. pxl_jockey

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    2 Awesome Inverted Quotes, Classics Back2Back - The man is on fire!
     
  21. Alexis

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    Can I ask what temps you are around? Im guessing low 700's up, with quite a degree of variation?
     
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  22. jojo monkey

    jojo monkey Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    @StormyPinkness I've watched your vid in slo-mo just as much as normal speed. Super clear!

    Click to play YouTube Video

    :clap:

    I'll take a crack at something for shapeways. A stand is next on my hitlist and maybe we go a few routes?

    I've seen the dimensions of a joint somewhere. Let me get back to that too. For the wood stands I have made, I used a 22mm hole and that holds the 24/40 in the middle.

    Very nice! I'm glad it worked out. I find spinning while trying to get it to the middle helps. After I get the fine mesh centered and pressed to the lower screen, I squish in the sides.

    I like how you roll! Nice shot!

    I never tested with a probe. It was just a one-night observation with 2 running vapes. I only compared the ABV and the hits. Pre-temp probe days.

    The last one of the year! Thanks again!
    :rockon:
    I hope you find the balance between the temp and the dose size. Your ABV looks too dark to my eyes.

    Be sure to try a smaller dose if you found the dose of a previous vape stronger in the GS. Many customers have reported using less herb with the GS.

    Remember that you can remove beads if you want to take some of the teeth out of it. I will graph this next.

    If your draw is the same and you give the vape a couple min to recover you should have consistent results to compare.

    "quick attitude adjustment" :lol:

    That's how I roll too. I just leave it on for a quick session as needed. I think I spend more time grinding than loading and hitting.

    I think it has not been mentioned since the 1st page, but the vape is under 100W.

    UPDATE:

    HAPPY NEW YEAR!
     
  23. Zow237

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    Damn I wish using less herb was the case for me. But I use way more herb using the GS than I do prolly any other vape I have or have had
     
  24. Alexis

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    Bro I was cracking up thinking back to your videos and those peculiar, quirky little facial expressions you pull, going "Damn!"

    I didn't know what they were about, but I do now. The GS was giving me these crazy big headrushes last night with every hit! Like instantly, I couldn't even hold the hits or I would have passed out lol! No kidding, haven't felt that from a vape ever I don't think.

    And I kept picturing you in the video, as that moment occured each time- it all makes sense now!:lol:
     
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  25. Zow237

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    Hahah I need to take my GS off the market and get some good material for those faces again haha
     
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