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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by chronickiller7, Oct 14, 2013.

  1. chronickiller7

    chronickiller7 Active Member

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  2. DabComa

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    ill share a little tip I haven't seen mentioned yet for you chronik, when you pack your honeybee, make sure its tight, the more pressure in the tube, the more product you will successfully pull on the first run, and make sure your using a non bleached coffee filter provided with the kit. Grinding, I have found ( and im sure this is gonna cause a huge 'hoorah' but here goes) has, little to absolutely no effect on outcome from an extraction tube, especially one that is packed properly. And for reference on the flowers im using, i use 28g unground simply packed and frozen to 1-,1-1/2 cans of tane and normally get 7 grams or more.
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    That's quite the return yield , 25 % .
    4 - 1 ratio sounds good , I want to try it .
    I'm just waiting for the winter weather , so I can do it in my garage with the doors half opened for ventilation .

    I can only get 20 % QWISO yield with warm water purging .

    How are you able to get 25 % BHO yield ?
    Do you vacuum purge ?

    tia
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    Please dont do it in your garage. You should read up on safety much more IMO. There have been cases of people blowong themselvea up in garages with the door fully opened and a fan pushing air out. Safety first.
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    I don't vacuum, not to brag but I feel satisfied with my developed methods of purging, of which don't include vacuuming that result every time in shatter. It has also taken me quite some time to find not only a reliable and steady source of flower, but one that also has a consistently high yielding BHO outcome. Being meticulous is key, keep trying different strains.
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    I will be doing a run tomorrow afternoon with about 10 grams. Will post pics
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    I have two different strains. Should I mix the two or do one run with one strain, and one with the other
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    If those are high grade flowers do not mix them...:2c:
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    They are high grade hahah. Separate it is haha. Will have pics up in a few hours!
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    http://imgur.com/delete/KxoC7XnSwblrdaB
    http://imgur.com/delete/sgafCrXGxhHX8Qy

    This is from 6 grams of bud (the first pic.) The second pic was as I was moving the oil from the blade to the container. I put the razor blade with the oil in the freezer for a little to make transferring the oil easier. It became straight shatter hahaha. Next time (tomorrow probably), I'm going to run about 12-14g and make it into budder! :D
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    Can't see the pics ,
    copy the BBc code and paste it .
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    Also I run 1/4-1/2 each time. Do I need a vac purge? What should I do to purge it to its full potential. I wanna make sure I'm dabbing safe bho. Oh and is whipping the oil into budder bad?
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  15. eiluaP

    eiluaP Paulie

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    Nobody explicitly needs to vac purge, it is just a process that allows you to purge at lower temperatures, preserving terpenes and resulting in lighter color. I purge on the pyrex which i blast onto, usually using a blow dryer or heat gun for a heat source. I simply purge until there are absolutely zero bubbles, and the product is completely clear with no visible impurities; completely devoid of butane. Whipping is an unnecessary process which can lead to trapping butane in your product. If you want to whip your concentrate into a wax do not do so until after your product is fully purged. Hope that clears things up.
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    I get that. If you look at my 2 pics, it doesn't look like there are any bubbles. What do you think? I will be doing another run tomorrow, and will weigh everything to check the yield.
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    eiluaP Paulie

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    I'm not sure I completely agree with this. The highest caliber of concentrate with the best flavor profile comes from the highest grade of starting material. That isn't to say that you won't have a high purity extraction with lower quality flowers; I just mean to say you will have far superior terpene content with higher quality starting material. It is a matter of your access to high quality materials which determines whether or not it's 'worth it' to use higher quality flowers. That being said, with my current access, it makes more sense for me to extract sugar trim than flowers, for the price. It's all comes down to what you can afford to make, and your preferences.

    I cannot tell with certainty, just from the photos above, but they do look like they're relatively well-purged. Although from the picture in the SToK container, it appears your concentrate is fairly stable and solid, which is generally a good sign.
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    Nice. But I want to make the oil into budder because I heard budder works better in vape pens such as the cloud.
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    Just bought the cloud and I think the oil is good, because it's very stable bho and when I hit it in the cloud, there is no resin or claim or any shit. The small glob of oil just sits there clean, even after 4 hits (which got me instantly full high) haha. Making more oil now.
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    I just finished making the oil. Best yet! (Will have pics up later) so I ran 14g in a honey bee (was a friends and his bud). But I got 1.2g of oil. I did kind of winterize. I had a little 90% iso in the dish when I blew the tane.
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    So I did the weigh everything out and I got about a 8.5% yield/return. Since I'm happy with my methods as far as quality goes, I really wanna focus on increasing my yields. First thing I figured was maybe the honey bee doesn't yield as much as a sstb (both fully packed). Since I want to do small batches (quarters) , I'm going to cut down my sstb to pack a tight quarter. I use vector. Let the tane sit in the tube for a couple seconds, then continue to blast. Oh and I lightly coat the bottom of the Pyrex with the ISO, getting rid of lipids and fats (I can see this being removed because after I scrape the oil our, there is fat and waxes in the dish left over that isn't oil because it has to smell and doesn't really smoke and is clearly waste. So how can I increase yield?
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    eiluaP Paulie

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    As far as honey bee vs SSTB, i would reckon the turkey baster is going to be more efficient than a honey bee, as the more narrow inner diameter gives the butane less surface area to easily escape the tube; forcing it through the plant matter rather than taking the path of least resistance between crevasses between plant matter. Also, did you mention you cut the turkey baster? was the purpose of this to be able to do a run with a smaller amount? In the future, you could fill the extraction tube part way with coffee filters, the add your material, so you can use an extraction tube larger than the amount of plant matter you have.

    Additionally, just adding isopropyl to the dish before you blast is not considered winterization. You are only removing the plant lipids if you suspend the extraction in isopropyl or ethanol, freeze it for several hours until the waxes and plant lipids congeal into a film, and you filter it off. It is an additional filtration step which depends upon cold temperature and alcohol suspension, and results in what is considered an absolute extract, free of all plant matter impurities. For an explanation of winterization as well as an excellent repository of extraction knowledge, check out Skunk Pharm research. Scroll down until you see 'Winterization' and check links in the side bar for other topics. Here is one example of a slab of absolute shatter:


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    Adding isopropyl or grain alcohol to your dish prior to blasting, however, will help to ensure that all of the butane has been purged out of the product; as butane evaporates out at a much lower temperature than alcohol, thus it should be entirely gone by the time you've evaporated away all traces of alcohol. So it is not necessarily a useless step.

    Hope some of that helps.

    - Paulie
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  24. eiluaP

    eiluaP Paulie

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    As far as increasing your yield is concerned, i would recommend a more narrow extraction tube such as the turkey baster. Additionally, make sure that your tube is packed evenly, and firmly enough that the butane doesn't have any easy routes to escape. Other than that, i recommend you save your blasted material for a second run, to squeeze some more cannabinoids out of your product. This can be particularly effective if your first run was in a wide extraction tube with low efficiency. It's certainly worth experimenting with.

    Another addition which might help you a bit is some new razors, such as these rectangular ones, or these old style double-edged blades. Both of these types i mentioned are many times more flexible than the trapezoidal blade in the photo you linked, and i've had a lot better of a time dealing with a pyrex dish since purchasing the thinner blades.
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    I'll be doing a 3-4.5 g run today with a cut down sstb. As for the razor blades, where can I get the rectangular ones and a holder like this one?http://espimages.biz/2386/I/47/AK5227.jpg

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