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Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by sttinguy, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. latulipe999

    latulipe999 Well-Known Member

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    This thread is very interesting to start well in vaporization. Thanks you @everyone !

    All these points of view help to better understand how the effects of cannabis are different from the effects of combustion.

    It may seem obvious, but we should talk more about tolerance.

    To show the powers of vaporization, wake'n bake works well ;)
     
  2. VaPurrDo

    VaPurrDo Member

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    with smokers preserving the bowl isnt suggested, they want to see material get "done" quick so they think they consumed something other that dry air... so load a quarter gram have them vape it over 5-6 thick white hits, and repeat... since smokers use so much material, you ask them to pitch and they all add enough to roll a small joint at least... so at the end of the night i get a 2 gram pile of half vaped material, all for me for the day after
     
  3. flotntoke

    flotntoke thoroughly vaped

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    Lots of things can work well depending on different smoking friends. Don't necessarily agree smokers don't have the lungs, either. Many have much more than I do at my age (especially after 30 years of cigs!).

    Some things I've found to work sometimes with those who think vapor is inferior or not worth it. Making sure they haven't been stoned all day (or for a few hours before) is key. Then vape them up REAL good. When you ask how they like it, they usually say something like "eh, it's OK but not as good/not the same". This is when you have them hyperventilate a bit, or hold their breath until they start to turn blue. Most people seem to get the effects they're missing from smoke with this oxygen depletion. Some can be convinced that this is the primary difference in the buzz - that the smoke is cutting off oxygen to their brain, and vapor doesn't (or doesn't nearly as much). I've had some say, "well, so what? I like that and am going to stick with it". But others (especially those who are little older/more mature or concerned about health) get it and start to see how vaping can be better if they can stay away from combustion long enough to get over missing that feeling.

    Some of them are all for it until they hear the price for a decent vape (and are unbelieving of fact they will recoup that shortly better conservation of stash). This is where giving them an entry level VapCap and lighter comes in handy! Others refuse to vape even when I say I'm not loading their smoking device with my stuff. I'll only load in vape and they can take it or leave it - and load their own schwag into a bowl. People will be people!

    I do find the VC has helped convert more than anything else. Am sure one reason is that I will give one and a lighter to people I care about (and sometimes a few others). But, think VC makes for an easier conversion from smoking because of: use of lighter similar to smoking, hits can get harsher if you're a little past the click or on a very hot VC, and most hold it similar to a joint.
     
  4. Jethro

    Jethro Well-Known Member

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    Some people will never appreciate how superior vaping thier flowers is. Unfortunate but just how it is! I have a lot of friends that are older and don't even like buying pipes anymore because they lose them or break them. A pack of papers is all they will buy. That's one of the reasons I own my vap cap, so I can have it in my pocket when they spark up a joint or a bowl. I look like the asshole sometimes, they call me a snob but really I don't care.
     
  5. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

    I've had people that disliked vapes because "they were too weak".
    After blowing several cloud from an EVO, they're scared to take even a little hit of any vape ever again because "vapes are too strong".
    If they don't want to vape, they will always find a reason :D
     
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  6. abcd5432

    abcd5432 Well-Known Member

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    I smoked a gram to my head the first couple times I smoked. Just bong rip after bong rip. May have shared with a person or two but always smoked the whole thing. When I finally got high for the first time I lost my shit needless to say.....

    It can take a couple of times before you really get it and also know how to take a hit in correctly.
     
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  7. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    More social experiments show me smokers complain very vocally about the flavor diminishing when vaporizing... I reply yes, but, at least there was flavor to begin with...

    And I find smokers greatly over-exaggerate the popcorn taste... I don't think it tastes anywhere near as bad as a combusted bowl.
     
  8. Ohmie

    Ohmie Govrnmnt fund adult circumcision & frenuloplasty!

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    They take cash money, burn it and say it's cause they earned it. People are apeshit for first impressions.
     
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  9. abcd5432

    abcd5432 Well-Known Member

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    I'd rather get new friends than worry about vaping.
     
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  10. Silver420Surfer

    Silver420Surfer Well-Known Member

    I love running my vapes from lower temp all the way thru till dark, dark brown. I still get some terps at higher temps that I don't notice at lower temps. I never mind the popcorn taste. IDK if top shelf starting material has something to do with it.

    I just know I could NOT imagine vaping mids/regs/schwag...at any temp lol.
     
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  11. Marihuana

    Marihuana Iso Tensei

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    I don't get this. I'll be offered a hit off a combustion pipe and think "wow this tastes like crap", meanwhile the other person is ALL over the flavor. I just feel like it's being ruined when you burn it all up.
     
  12. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    That's exactly how I feel around old school joint smokers. :D
     
  13. shredder

    shredder Well-Known Member

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    I've seen hard core joint smokers turn to true believers after an enail session. And no "I didn't feel anything" whinnying either. Concentrates for the win, lol. You put lots of cannabinoids in a person in a short time, and the results are obvious and undeniable.
     
  14. Marihuana

    Marihuana Iso Tensei

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    I dunno, even after I've introduced some people to dabbing out of multiple different setups, they still had a strong preference toward flower. I think it's because they are so used to combusting on the regular that they actually feel like the vapor is harsher than the smoke they're used to. Which is weird, because all my life as a combuster I've felt that smoke was just too harsh and was always looking for some way to make it a tolerable experience to inhale. It's frustrating feeling pushy over my preference in consumption, but I can't fathom how anyone could think burning everything up is more pleasant than vaping in the slightest. Then again, some of these people are also smokers of cigarettes. Go figure.
     
  15. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    The other day when a friend and I went for a quick 10 min session...he pulled out his pipe and I pulled out my vape. No more than 10 seconds after he pulled the pipe out....that nasty ass smell of tar resin make me want to puke. haaaa

    No way could I now combust after 2 months of fully changing over to vaping. After about 4 weeks in with my change over.....I snuck a little micro binger hit of very nice top shelf indica.....I could barely even pull it in with water .....it tasted so foreign to what I remembered. It actually scared me away from even trying to light up again.

    Personally if someone offers me to combust....I will just politely tell them I have a problem with my throat and I can not inhale anything burning. No probs....to each his own and I have no problem with that......I just do not want to smell cigs or combustion of any sort now. I am even ultra sensitive to smelling/breathing in diesel from trucks/cars on the road. Or when I have to drive behind a old beater vehicle that is spewing more oil in the air than the motor is using for lube..... analogy that up yo! :\
     
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  16. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    I think it can be more complicated. I have a friend that over they years I've given vapes I don't use to including a vapcap m. I thought butane would be more like smoking a pipe. Just returned from a vacation with her and brought my vb box. One the one hand she was amazed at how quickly the clouds came. On the other, she is not going to be a convert to vaping. She didn't like not being able to feel the smoke when she inhaled. That's how she knows when to stop inhaling and with the vape she would inhale too much because the sensation never came. I'm sure if she was motivated she could find another cue but she ended up preferring a pipe.
     
  17. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    Yup! Smokers need harshness as a signal they are getting a good hit. The smoothness of vapor is actually unappealing to many smokers who are looking for a confirmation signal. The less dense clouds upon exhale further reinforce this idea in the smokers mind.
     
  18. abcd5432

    abcd5432 Well-Known Member

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    Lol true, but I always get amused at how large of hits I take. It's pretty easy though I find. Low temp vape and time your inhales.
    It's just a different vibe though, some people just like harshness. Which imo, it's still better to high temp vape and get harsh big bong tips than to burn flower.

    I'm also just super super frugal. Show me something more frugal than Vaping and I'll be on it in a second testing it vigorously til I find a way I like it. I love my vape and bong.
     
  19. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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    Had this funny moment two years ago having stoner friends over for a movie night, had my Enano ready and heated with a large straight tube bong, we had some good quality hash but my combustion friends where really not up for vaping because they tried a snoop vape pen and said that shit did not work, they wanted to max the heat without even trying a hit but I said "nope", finally they said fine we try some hit but rolled a joint as a back up

    An hour later they are both ASLEEP! in the sofa totally blasted after 2-3 Enano bowls and the next day I found the joint crushed between the sofa pillows

    After that they are like "please turn down the heat because vaping is too strong "

    :cheers:

    They not even tried my Stickybrick or done a dab

    Sadly none of my friends wanna put down the money for a vape
     
  20. VaPurrDo

    VaPurrDo Member

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    nice story
     
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  21. The Beagle

    The Beagle Butanist Bubblemaker

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    That's my exact experience when I first started vaping. Friends would come visit, be skeptical, try a hit or two, complain about how weak it is, pass out.
     
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  22. VaPurrDo

    VaPurrDo Member

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    vape isnt harsh on the throat so much, even huge rips... but it can be a harsh high or a rly cool one depends how you see it! maybe some smokers arents interested in getting more high? if you want to take cannabis to the next level you gotta eat it or vape it...
     
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  23. abcd5432

    abcd5432 Well-Known Member

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    I always like to do things at the highest level.... what can I say.
    I had anxiety attacks when I first started smoking... a normal person would stop. I just wanted to get to the next level.... I'm definitely not weird.
     
  24. latulipe999

    latulipe999 Well-Known Member

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    I have a prety good nose but i was not able to clearly distinguish the taste and effects of my favorite plant when I smoked it.

    I'm very skeptical when I hear smokers say they can.

    To be able to fully appreciate all the benefits of vaporisation, and not just taste, I think we must be weaned from the combustion.

    The majority of smokers I tried to vaporize like the taste but confess that they do not feel the effects they are looking for in a joint or bong.

    i wonder wich combustion gas creates the effect they are looking for. Co2 ? benzene ? naphthalene ? a combination ?

    Most of the time, the strong effects of cannabis through vaporization do not please them. :cool:

    I think most stoners look for something stupefying and sedative rather than psychedelic.
     
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  25. armani

    armani Well-Known Member

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    I have had the same problem with my friends since i'm the only vapor head in the group.
    They have not liked any of my vapes, but when they tried the vapcap M they where sold, and two of them actually made me place an order for them (cause you know lazy)

    If you want to convert joint smokers i think "one hitters" is the right vape.
     
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